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by **Eldre** » Tue, 05 Aug 2003 01:40:44

At the start, I was planning to sit on the grid, switch to the server, and get
rid of that car. I didn't expect for anyone to be BEHIND me with my 1:40 qual
time. But on the grid, I saw differently. So, I decided to pull MY car off
the track, then switch to the server, then switch back. After I pulled off the
track, I mistakenly hit ESC...end of race for me. Dammit - I just can't BUY a
break. Oh well, I can watch the Brickyard 400 now...

Eldred
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by **Jimste** » Tue, 05 Aug 2003 02:05:03

I was out pretty fast too... Lost one place at the start. And then I just
started following, waiting for an error. At one time I tought he left me
room to pass... I was wrong, spun and lost some places. Quickly regained a
couple until I came behind a ferrari which was a lot slower, but kept
blocking me al the time. I made a brake error, just before pit entry, lost
my rear wing, quickly entered pitlane but when I e***d I spun immediately.
I noticed that my rear suspension was out of shape so I gave up.
It is definetly no LFS quality online game... You always have to keep a
buffer between you and person in front...That way the racing is not as
exciting, just waiting for driver errors.

Jimster

by **Stuart Becktel** » Tue, 05 Aug 2003 02:26:16

My race went pretty well, started 7th, made it up to 4th, and pretty much
kept it. On the pit stop I regained a ton of time going towards the 79kph
line on the guy who was in front and behind me. Had a great pit stop and
made it out well ahead of both. I'm going to post a tutorial later today on
how to NOT have your thumb up your rear playing in F1...Most were good but a
few just had no clue what was going on.

Oh, and I did have a wierd error, Ian and Neil's car were both INVICIBLE to
me...that made things interesting.
-Stuart Becktell

by **Neil Charlto** » Tue, 05 Aug 2003 02:40:36

You got some awesomely bad luck lately Eldred - it'll change.

Thanks for setting this thing up. In terms of online, 'it ain't no GPL' but
it worked and with a full grid. That was the most enjoyable online
experience I've had in ages - I've been yearning for an online modern
open-wheel sim for ages. This'll do the business.

Congratulations to Josh and Ian. Particular thanks to Ian who helped me out
with some tips/setups/replays - it made all the difference. I looped it a
couple of times but I think I'll stick with no aids as the lap times were
otherwise very consistent and I like the challenge.

Regarding the time to log in, I was aware I'd never raced this thing online
before - or even used F1rst. I therefore did some dummy joining runs earlier
today and was sitting in F1rst five minutes early in case of a connection
problem. More than 5 mins would help for sure but people have also got to
take responsibility on themselves.

Great fun - can't wait for the next one :)

by **Mitch_** » Tue, 05 Aug 2003 02:49:50

I think I was the only Ferrari and I sure didnt *block* anyone that Im aware
of (maybe Ginger but he wasnt pushing me that harrd). I knew I wasnt
anywhere near the top guys speed as such I would have pulled over without
hesitation. In fact I dont even recall being anywhere near you. I don't
consider one or two corners behind someone blocking thats for sure. I was
just cruisin trying to stay on the track, if you wrecked don't blame me take
responsibilty yourself, jeez.

Remember some of us havent run ANY online F1 races before so there will be a
learning curve. Last time I pitted in a F1 sim was around 92-93' in WCGP
:-)

Mitch

too... Lost one place at the start. And then I just

by **Eldre** » Tue, 05 Aug 2003 03:33:25

>You always have to keep a
>buffer between you and person in front...That way the racing is not as
>exciting, just waiting for driver errors.

Sounds like normal F1...
C'mon, SOMEONE had to say it...<g>

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by **Eldre** » Tue, 05 Aug 2003 03:33:26

>Regarding the time to log in, I was aware I'd never raced this thing online
>before - or even used F1rst. I therefore did some dummy joining runs earlier
>today and was sitting in F1rst five minutes early in case of a connection
>problem. More than 5 mins would help for sure but people have also got to
>take responsibility on themselves.

I thought I gave enough warning about the 5 minute thing, and I also thought
that 5 minutes(actually about 7-8) would be enough for everyone to get
situated. I hadn't counted on people *leaving* after they connected. Since
F1C doesn't give any 'disconnect' messages, I didn't realize that they'd gone.

Bottom line...I ***ed up.
Again, apologies to those caught out, especially Ped Xing. He's the guy who
allowed me to even DO this...

Anyway - lesson learned. Next race, people will have at least 15 minutes to
join. If people don't mind waiting longer, we'll make it 30 minutes. Anyone
know how to get F1rst to set 30 minutes practice automatically?

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by **B.Farme** » Tue, 05 Aug 2003 03:41:29

Sry, Eldred :o(

That was me at the rear of the grid... got a DQ in Qual ;o/
(Why didn't someone tell me it was a no-no to keep runnin after 12 laps?
<j/k>)
Thx again, bud

-Brian

by **Jimste** » Tue, 05 Aug 2003 05:23:32

Mitch,

This wasn't about accusing you or anyone else of bad sportmanship or
whatever....

Just wanted to say that it is difficult to judge how close you can be behind
anyone.
With some people I could run pretty close, others made me clear it was
better to leave
more distances between.
It makes it difficult to plan any overtaking action, because it is not
always sure whether
someone is moving over to let you pass or simply makes an slight error...

It is just the nature of the game....and I'll have to live with that

Jimster

(btw it happened while you just had a fight with a williams.
Had followed your fight for 2 laps before I overtook the williams and later
on I came close to you on 2 occasions when you ran slightly wide...
Third time I was surprised by an early brake manoeuver and was off track in
the rail...)

by **Ian** » Tue, 05 Aug 2003 05:51:42

> My race went pretty well, started 7th, made it up to 4th, and pretty
> much kept it. On the pit stop I regained a ton of time going towards
> the 79kph line on the guy who was in front and behind me. Had a great
> pit stop and made it out well ahead of both. I'm going to post a
> tutorial later today on how to NOT have your thumb up your rear
> playing in F1...Most were good but a few just had no clue what was
> going on.

> Oh, and I did have a wierd error, Ian and Neil's car were both
> INVICIBLE to me...that made things interesting.
> -Stuart Becktell

>> At the start, I was planning to sit on the grid, switch to the
>> server, and get rid of that car. I didn't expect for anyone to be
>> BEHIND me with my 1:40 qual time. But on the grid, I saw
>> differently. So, I decided to pull MY car off the track, then
>> switch to the server, then switch back. After I pulled off the
>> track, I mistakenly hit ESC...end of race for me. Dammit - I just
>> can't BUY a break. Oh well, I can watch the Brickyard 400 now...

>> Eldred

I think the invisibility may have been due to data rates, I seem to recall
someone having a data rate of 32 while someone else had a 0 rate.
Eldred, could you possibly set fixed data rates for next race ? I believe 14
is about the usual.

As for the race, I had a really good run, qualified on pole with a 1:16.9xx.
I ran a 1 stop strategy, pitted on lap 18 with a 30ish second lead, came out
with about 12 secs lead. Over the next few laps I pulled the lead out to
about 16 secs, then disaster struck with 3 laps to go. The Sparks BAR ran
wide in the stadium section and came back onto the track sideways directly
in front of me, result one front wing lost :(
From then on I was a sitting duck to a storming drive from Josh ( I forget
the rest of the name, sorry) and had to settle for second. Great drive and
congrats on the inaugural RASF1 race win :)

--

Ian P
<email invalid due to spammers>

by **Dave Henri** » Tue, 05 Aug 2003 07:15:06

>> My race went pretty well, started 7th, made it up to 4th, and pretty
>> much kept it. On the pit stop I regained a ton of time going towards
>> the 79kph line on the guy who was in front and behind me. Had a great
>> pit stop and made it out well ahead of both. I'm going to post a
>> tutorial later today on how to NOT have your thumb up your rear
>> playing in F1...Most were good but a few just had no clue what was
>> going on.

>> Oh, and I did have a wierd error, Ian and Neil's car were both
>> INVICIBLE to me...that made things interesting.
>> -Stuart Becktell

>>> At the start, I was planning to sit on the grid, switch to the
>>> server, and get rid of that car. I didn't expect for anyone to be
>>> BEHIND me with my 1:40 qual time. But on the grid, I saw
>>> differently. So, I decided to pull MY car off the track, then
>>> switch to the server, then switch back. After I pulled off the
>>> track, I mistakenly hit ESC...end of race for me. Dammit - I just
>>> can't BUY a break. Oh well, I can watch the Brickyard 400 now...

>>> Eldred

> I think the invisibility may have been due to data rates, I seem to
> recall someone having a data rate of 32 while someone else had a 0
> rate. Eldred, could you possibly set fixed data rates for next race ?
> I believe 14 is about the usual.

> As for the race, I had a really good run, qualified on pole with a
> 1:16.9xx. I ran a 1 stop strategy, pitted on lap 18 with a 30ish
> second lead, came out with about 12 secs lead. Over the next few laps
> I pulled the lead out to about 16 secs, then disaster struck with 3
> laps to go. The Sparks BAR ran wide in the stadium section and came
> back onto the track sideways directly in front of me, result one front
> wing lost :( From then on I was a sitting duck to a storming drive
> from Josh ( I forget the rest of the name, sorry) and had to settle
> for second. Great drive and congrats on the inaugural RASF1 race win
> :)

> --

> Ian P
> <email invalid due to spammers>

Good golly yes...you ALL should have fixed data rates of very low
speed. 56k or a data rate of 10 to 12 was the norm in the F1 2k2 multi.
So EVERYONE, including the host, should be fixed at a low rate. With 56k
you will see the cars jitter slightly in sharp turns but the rest of racing
should be acceptable. btw..how many racers finally got connected?

dave henrie

by **Mitch_** » Tue, 05 Aug 2003 07:24:52

Hey Jim. I just watched the replay and if its the exit of the last turn
entering the stadium area I was actually pulling over for you and you just
happened to make the inside manouvre at the same instant. I actually
thought it was warp. Heck I thought it was still Ginger directly behind me,
he was still there after so I wasnt sure what actually happened. These
mirrors on these things (with adv head physics) is difficult to even see a
car behind let alone know whom it is.

Whats the next race?

MItch

> > I think I was the only Ferrari and I sure didnt *block* anyone that Im
> aware
> > of (maybe Ginger but he wasnt pushing me that harrd). I knew I wasnt
> > anywhere near the top guys speed as such I would have pulled over
without
> > hesitation. In fact I dont even recall being anywhere near you. I
don't
> > consider one or two corners behind someone blocking thats for sure. I
was
> > just cruisin trying to stay on the track, if you wrecked don't blame me
> take
> > responsibilty yourself, jeez.

> > Remember some of us havent run ANY online F1 races before so there will
be
> a
> > learning curve. Last time I pitted in a F1 sim was around 92-93' in
WCGP
> > :-)

> > Mitch

> Mitch,

> This wasn't about accusing you or anyone else of bad sportmanship or
> whatever....

> Just wanted to say that it is difficult to judge how close you can be
behind
> anyone.
> With some people I could run pretty close, others made me clear it was
> better to leave
> more distances between.
> It makes it difficult to plan any overtaking action, because it is not
> always sure whether
> someone is moving over to let you pass or simply makes an slight error...

> It is just the nature of the game....and I'll have to live with that

> Jimster

> (btw it happened while you just had a fight with a williams.
> Had followed your fight for 2 laps before I overtook the williams and
later
> on I came close to you on 2 occasions when you ran slightly wide...
> Third time I was surprised by an early brake manoeuver and was off track
in
> the rail...)

by **Stuart Becktel** » Tue, 05 Aug 2003 07:31:08

I ran 12 at the last race with a cable modem, I changed it to 14 per Ian's
thoughts, what should I run it too? I had run a race with 6 people with
different people and had no problems whatsoever. This time, it seemed like
almost everyone was warping a lot.

> >> My race went pretty well, started 7th, made it up to 4th, and pretty
> >> much kept it. On the pit stop I regained a ton of time going towards
> >> the 79kph line on the guy who was in front and behind me. Had a great
> >> pit stop and made it out well ahead of both. I'm going to post a
> >> tutorial later today on how to NOT have your thumb up your rear
> >> playing in F1...Most were good but a few just had no clue what was
> >> going on.

> >> Oh, and I did have a wierd error, Ian and Neil's car were both
> >> INVICIBLE to me...that made things interesting.
> >> -Stuart Becktell

> >>> At the start, I was planning to sit on the grid, switch to the
> >>> server, and get rid of that car. I didn't expect for anyone to be
> >>> BEHIND me with my 1:40 qual time. But on the grid, I saw
> >>> differently. So, I decided to pull MY car off the track, then
> >>> switch to the server, then switch back. After I pulled off the
> >>> track, I mistakenly hit ESC...end of race for me. Dammit - I just
> >>> can't BUY a break. Oh well, I can watch the Brickyard 400 now...

> >>> Eldred

> > I think the invisibility may have been due to data rates, I seem to
> > recall someone having a data rate of 32 while someone else had a 0
> > rate. Eldred, could you possibly set fixed data rates for next race ?
> > I believe 14 is about the usual.

> > As for the race, I had a really good run, qualified on pole with a
> > 1:16.9xx. I ran a 1 stop strategy, pitted on lap 18 with a 30ish
> > second lead, came out with about 12 secs lead. Over the next few laps
> > I pulled the lead out to about 16 secs, then disaster struck with 3
> > laps to go. The Sparks BAR ran wide in the stadium section and came
> > back onto the track sideways directly in front of me, result one front
> > wing lost :( From then on I was a sitting duck to a storming drive
> > from Josh ( I forget the rest of the name, sorry) and had to settle
> > for second. Great drive and congrats on the inaugural RASF1 race win
> > :)

> > --

> > Ian P
> > <email invalid due to spammers>

> Good golly yes...you ALL should have fixed data rates of very low
> speed. 56k or a data rate of 10 to 12 was the norm in the F1 2k2 multi.
> So EVERYONE, including the host, should be fixed at a low rate. With 56k
> you will see the cars jitter slightly in sharp turns but the rest of
racing
> should be acceptable. btw..how many racers finally got connected?

> dave henrie

by **Eldre** » Tue, 05 Aug 2003 09:45:33

writes:

I thought it WAS set - is it the default? Maybe not - where's that setting?

Eldred
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by **Haqsa** » Tue, 05 Aug 2003 11:11:15

Might want to check out this article
http://www.murchisons.net/f1/layout/its_the_pits%206-03.htm and this one
http://www.murchisons.net/f1/layout/Multiplayer%20Guide.htm before you
change anything. To quote the second article:

"there is really no need to render all of the cars at the same data rate
(like in F12K2)"

The new net code takes care of all that if set up properly, as shown in
these two articles.

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