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Ian P
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Whatever blows your skirt up Mitch. But keep in mind that I never
once claimed that people who drive in the***pit and thinks everyone
else should too are narrow-minded realism nazis with a feeble grasp
on what's truly important to a given individual.  :)

How's that?  Have I demonstrated any less ability than a driver who
drives in-car?  Tim is most certainly faster than me, and is fatser
than you, yet he's pretty much accident-free in RASCAR events and he
wins more often than not.

Okay, let's see... I saw several accidents in time to slow down and
avoid them at NH and at Chicago.  How many of the people that weren't
able to see the accidents in time were driving in-car?  

Further, watch me in the replays at chicago and louden. There were
several times when I backed off because I didn't like the look/smell
of an overtaking situation (with me doing the overtaking).  I'm
pretty sure that you'll see as much give as take on my part.  But
damnit - I'm a roof-rider, so that doesn't matter, does it?  

One more thing - go back to the replay at Papy Motorsport Park and
watch that last lap again.  It was you and me through the last three
turns.  At the time of the race, you said you backed off because you
got a little confuised about how many more laps were left or
something.  That didn't sound like you were nervous about my driving.

You don't go into avoidance mode around me (and I have several
replays from this season and last season to prove it).  In fact, I
rather enjoy racing you Mitch because you're not afraid to mix it up
and race close.  

I don't know if it does or doesn't.  But let me ask you - have you
ever driven a real stockcar at speed?  I have, and this sim is so far
from realistic it's laughable.  

I do want realism, but we're never gonna get what I consider enough
realism to warrant the vilification of people who are simply more
comfortable driving their car a certain way.  I'm certainly not
ashamed to say I ride the roof, and I think more people in RASCAR
would be more competitive and drive better if they did it too.  
However, I'm not gonna stand up and proclaim that anyone that doesn't
is as moron.

Little secret (or maybe not) - I drove two full seasons in GPL in
chase mode, and have been driving the papy sims in roof mode since
NR4.  In previous versions I drove in-car.

I *do* regularly urge/insist that people practice before they show up
for a race.  I don't care if the practice online or offline, but they
most certainly should put in about a hundred laps at the next track
on the schedule - EVERY WEEK.

Well, since we're in a fixed setup league, I think the aids are fine.  
Simply put (and demonstrated on a weekly basis) some folks just can't
get a grip on the fast setup. If they need to use aids to make it
drivable, that's fine with me.  

In fact, I'm using aids right now primarily because of my diminished
physical capacity.  It's tough to drive these setups with one hand
(and the one I don't normally use, at that) and not being able to
shift.  I use auto trans (and believe me that's HELL on pit entry)
and stability control, and sometimes, a little bit of steering
assist.  

Once again, I don't mind saying I use aids, and I never have.

That will have absolutely no bearing on RASCAR races since we use
fixed setups.

Absolutely not. If you want ***, find it in another league, but
RASCAR will not be using *** mode, at least not while I have any
input on the subject.

I'm not trashing the desire for "realism" - god knows I'd like to see
more of it - but I want everyone in RASCAR to drive better and if
that means using aids, more power to them.

IMHO, Eldred should at least try roof-riding (for a while) to see if
it makes him more competitive.

Gerry

Gerry

grub anarchy bat

The number of yellows does is not linked to a particular setting. It's about
how well people are used to the settings they use. If they fail to recognise
any false sense of security the settings might provide or they make
assumptions on how people will respond by the way they experience the game
(which is radically different to those who don't use the settings), that's
where it starts to get dangerous. That does work both ways, BTW.

If you host a race like that and you get anyone who doesn't already race to
"***" specifications, you'll have a number of guys who are racing under
unfamiliar conditions. You will have cautions and habitual roofriders will
be involved. You could base all kinds of conclusions on that, but they would
be false.

Would be good to know how people drive, though. It's a good thing to keep in
mind when one has more than a split second to respond.

Jan.
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    Pete

And that's a perfect illustration of what's wrong with the logic. You
could base all kinds of conclusions on that, but they'd all be false.

I don't care if people drive from the freakin trunk view as long as
they won't wreck me.

    Pete

:     So, is the goal to get a realistic experience in RASCAR? Or is it to
try
: to race without hitting one another and finish the race complete with pit
: stragety and ***arguements after the race? Or maybe a combination of
both?
:     I wonder how many yellow flags we would have if we had the ***
: option turned on? It would be an interesting trial say on a friday night
on
: someones server when we have absolutly nothing to do. Anyone want to host
a
: *** RASCAR race this week just for kicks?
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:

I'm in.  I drive in *** mode anyway.
 I also use paddle shifters but would love to have and actual H pattern
shifter.  I think that would be a great help in my driving, the paddles in
sequential mode are a serious handling handicap in the game.  I use my
buttons for the F1 keys which I feel allow me to track information/give pit
commands without leaving my controler (offsets paddles).

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McWhom
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