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No-CD for the patch here!

DB

No-CD for the patch here!

by DB » Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:56:57

Hi Boys, on F1-UMDS (www.drivingitalia.com/f12k1tutorial) you can find the
No-CD for the patch
EA employe

No-CD for the patch here!

by EA employe » Mon, 26 Nov 2001 19:28:57



thanks a lot, we are proud that you encourage piracy!

ikste

No-CD for the patch here!

by ikste » Mon, 26 Nov 2001 21:27:04

The CD-Check on retail software does not discourage piracy.
Quite the reverse.  I suppose EA subscribe to prohibitionist
doctrines as well?

I use no-cd on a legal copy of this game btw.  All protection
does is***off legitimate users and slow loading times.

iksteh




> > Hi Boys, on F1-UMDS (www.drivingitalia.com/f12k1tutorial) you can find
the
> > No-CD for the patch

> thanks a lot, we are proud that you encourage piracy!

Positive

No-CD for the patch here!

by Positive » Mon, 26 Nov 2001 22:05:23


: The CD-Check on retail software does not discourage piracy.
: Quite the reverse.  I suppose EA subscribe to prohibitionist
: doctrines as well?
:
: I use no-cd on a legal copy of this game btw.  All protection
: does is***off legitimate users and slow loading times.
:
Exactly.   They need another way to register to protect their software.
Maybe they should go the online registration route, unique reg codes, or
even phone in.
Thomas M?rlun

No-CD for the patch here!

by Thomas M?rlun » Mon, 26 Nov 2001 22:19:50




> : The CD-Check on retail software does not discourage piracy.
> : Quite the reverse.  I suppose EA subscribe to prohibitionist
> : doctrines as well?
> :
> : I use no-cd on a legal copy of this game btw.  All protection
> : does is***off legitimate users and slow loading times.
> :
> Exactly.   They need another way to register to protect their software.
> Maybe they should go the online registration route, unique reg codes, or
> even phone in.

It doesn't really matter what kind of copy-protection they use - it will
always be inconvenient to the user. And it will always be bypassed in one
way or another by those who want to.

/TMaarlund

Dave Henri

No-CD for the patch here!

by Dave Henri » Tue, 27 Nov 2001 01:13:39



> > Hi Boys, on F1-UMDS (www.drivingitalia.com/f12k1tutorial) you can find
the
> > No-CD for the patch

> thanks a lot, we are proud that you encourage piracy!

   Without getting into how a cd check prevents piracy(here's a clue cd
checks don't stop pirates) why not take a page from the Microsoft
book...(gasp did I just say that?)   I buy the game.  The cd is needed to
run.  Until I register the product.  Then a key # is given to me that
disables the cd check..
  I buy all my software these days...although not always at full
retail....and whenEVER possible I defeat the cd checking.  If I, a
no-code-talent end user can bypass these simple copy protection schemes,
HOW ON EARTH DO CORPARATE EXECS JUSTIFY PAYING COPY PROTECTION COMPANIES FOR
THEIR BOGUS PRODUCTS????????
  I think I need to start a new company...Dave's Software Protection.  Pay
ME tons of cash and I personally will travel to each and every user's home
and verify that they have the cd in place.  That is NO more ridiculous than
SecureRom or those other so-called copy protection programs.
dave henrie
Biz

No-CD for the patch here!

by Biz » Tue, 27 Nov 2001 03:27:55

Its great how because its inconvienent for the legitimate owners, they even
will rationalize that software piracy is ok.  Why don't all you people that
complain about how the existing methods don't work, expend your energy on
developing a better method to prevent it, instead of expending all of your
energy on ***ing about it?

--
Biz

"Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and
the....." - Ash




> > > Hi Boys, on F1-UMDS (www.drivingitalia.com/f12k1tutorial) you can find
> the
> > > No-CD for the patch

> > thanks a lot, we are proud that you encourage piracy!
>    Without getting into how a cd check prevents piracy(here's a clue cd
> checks don't stop pirates) why not take a page from the Microsoft
> book...(gasp did I just say that?)   I buy the game.  The cd is needed to
> run.  Until I register the product.  Then a key # is given to me that
> disables the cd check..
>   I buy all my software these days...although not always at full
> retail....and whenEVER possible I defeat the cd checking.  If I, a
> no-code-talent end user can bypass these simple copy protection schemes,
> HOW ON EARTH DO CORPARATE EXECS JUSTIFY PAYING COPY PROTECTION COMPANIES
FOR
> THEIR BOGUS PRODUCTS????????
>   I think I need to start a new company...Dave's Software Protection.  Pay
> ME tons of cash and I personally will travel to each and every user's home
> and verify that they have the cd in place.  That is NO more ridiculous
than
> SecureRom or those other so-called copy protection programs.
> dave henrie

Dave Henri

No-CD for the patch here!

by Dave Henri » Tue, 27 Nov 2001 04:25:42

   Just to clarify...how is removing copy protection by a legitimate
owner(ME!) engaging in piracy?  Beleive me, in my younger days I'd go to
swap meets where we'd all bring out hundreds of floppy's and copy stuff back
and forth...spent all night doing that...
  So I know what pirating is.
But I don't see the connection between legitimate owners removing copy
protection.  I have probably a dozen or so cp protected programs on my hard
drive, all have had the copy protection bypassed, yet NONE have been
distrubuted for use by others.  And...near the beginning of the thread, I
gave one possible solution.  So I'm carping and offering solutions.
dave henrie

> Its great how because its inconvienent for the legitimate owners, they
even
> will rationalize that software piracy is ok.  Why don't all you people
that
> complain about how the existing methods don't work, expend your energy on
> developing a better method to prevent it, instead of expending all of your
> energy on ***ing about it?

> --
> Biz

> "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
> alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and
> the....." - Ash





> > > > Hi Boys, on F1-UMDS (www.drivingitalia.com/f12k1tutorial) you can
find
> > the
> > > > No-CD for the patch

> > > thanks a lot, we are proud that you encourage piracy!
> >    Without getting into how a cd check prevents piracy(here's a clue cd
> > checks don't stop pirates) why not take a page from the Microsoft
> > book...(gasp did I just say that?)   I buy the game.  The cd is needed
to
> > run.  Until I register the product.  Then a key # is given to me that
> > disables the cd check..
> >   I buy all my software these days...although not always at full
> > retail....and whenEVER possible I defeat the cd checking.  If I, a
> > no-code-talent end user can bypass these simple copy protection schemes,
> > HOW ON EARTH DO CORPARATE EXECS JUSTIFY PAYING COPY PROTECTION COMPANIES
> FOR
> > THEIR BOGUS PRODUCTS????????
> >   I think I need to start a new company...Dave's Software Protection.
Pay
> > ME tons of cash and I personally will travel to each and every user's
home
> > and verify that they have the cd in place.  That is NO more ridiculous
> than
> > SecureRom or those other so-called copy protection programs.
> > dave henrie

Ian

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by Ian » Tue, 27 Nov 2001 05:40:22

Yes, it is inconvenient for the legitimate owners, especially considering
that the individuals who use the warez versions of the same software don't
have that inconvenience. Is that fair ? I think not !

I really don't give a ***how they implement copy protection as long as I
don't have the inconvenience of requiring a CD to run my software when the
warez version has had it removed and I can make a back up copy for my
personal use (I am quite entitled to do that).

I don't condone software piracy, but the current protection schemes don't
work and in many cases prevent the legitimate user from playing a game.
Very poor state of affairs IMO.

--

Ian P
<email invalid due to spam>


Uncle Feste

No-CD for the patch here!

by Uncle Feste » Tue, 27 Nov 2001 05:53:48


> Its great how because its inconvienent for the legitimate owners, they even
> will rationalize that software piracy is ok.  Why don't all you people that
> complain about how the existing methods don't work, expend your energy on
> developing a better method to prevent it, instead of expending all of your
> energy on ***ing about it?

It's not *my* job to do *their* job for them.  Currect state of affairs
in copy protection sucks, no doubt.  How can it prevent piracy when only
legite copys have it?  Warez is copy-protection free.  Sheesh.

--

Fester

istof

No-CD for the patch here!

by istof » Tue, 27 Nov 2001 06:25:19

i agree.  as a programmer, i've given up on trying to protect any
software i've written.

f1 2001 set an example by being sold for a lower price than other
competing products.  *thats* the way to discourage piracy imo.





>> > Hi Boys, on F1-UMDS (www.drivingitalia.com/f12k1tutorial) you can find
>the
>> > No-CD for the patch

>  I think I need to start a new company...Dave's Software Protection.  Pay
>ME tons of cash and I personally will travel to each and every user's home
>and verify that they have the cd in place.  That is NO more ridiculous than
>SecureRom or those other so-called copy protection programs.
>dave henrie

Regards all,
istoff
EA employe

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by EA employe » Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:34:07



with complete installation cd is required only to check that you've original
copy of the game, no files are loaded from cd.during the game.
this step is only one or two seconds long.
if you've regular cd, install the official patch and play the game.
if cd is damaged go to ea support page and ask for sostitution:soon  your
local store will give you a new copy.

ikste

No-CD for the patch here!

by ikste » Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:40:00

You are missing the point of the conversation here.

The common thread appears to be that spending time or
effort developing copy protection systems is pointless as
anything that has been developed in the past has failed and
the skillsets of those cracking the copy protection exceeds
the skillset of those making it.

iksteh


<snip>

ikste

No-CD for the patch here!

by ikste » Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:45:56

warning - rant follows.


You're missing the point mate.  With the no-cd installation
the cd is not required at all!  You are not required to show
your drivers license and proof of purchase every time you
play the game.

ok - can i bill you for cumulative time wasted?  Careful because
I've already recouped the cost of the game on this and waiting for
re-draws with the 21.83 nvidia drivers.

Lets see - on my machine, in two seconds, your software can either :

a> draw 140-160 frames of *** 3d artwork, simulate a
     formula one car in all it's glory, run an AI engine, generate
     3d sound and run a force feedback device.

or

b> check for a few bytes on a cd.

is the inefficiency apparent yet?  At least get with the times
and remove the cd-rom bottleneck from your protection systems.

As far as I'm aware, I am legally entitled to make
one backup copy of my software under the
provision it is for stored backups in case my
original installation media gets corrupted.

Your copy protection violates my rights as a consumer
by making my cd backup unusable.

and besides - the only people who ever EVER excute
the copy protection routines in your software are the
legal owners of the software.  Don't you realise the 000's
you spend on this protection is simply fuel for the cracker
races out in warez land?  If you guys didn't copy protect
your software, there wouldn't be cracking crews and all
the cool coders would get back to demos like in the amiga
days.

iksteh

Robert Jorda

No-CD for the patch here!

by Robert Jorda » Tue, 27 Nov 2001 00:16:23

And i hate self righteous people telling me how i should act or what i
should do.. Keep your opinion to yourself. Thanks for the tip on the NO cd
patche. Comes in handy when you have to locate the cd in the dark...






> > : The CD-Check on retail software does not discourage piracy.
> > : Quite the reverse.  I suppose EA subscribe to prohibitionist
> > : doctrines as well?
> > :
> > : I use no-cd on a legal copy of this game btw.  All protection
> > : does is***off legitimate users and slow loading times.
> > :
> > Exactly.   They need another way to register to protect their software.
> > Maybe they should go the online registration route, unique reg codes, or
> > even phone in.

> It doesn't really matter what kind of copy-protection they use - it will
> always be inconvenient to the user. And it will always be bypassed in one
> way or another by those who want to.

> /TMaarlund


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