rec.autos.simulators

by DB » Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:12:11

I think that you MUST read everything before accuse me of encourage
piracy.
First of all, read on my site, and youll find that i NEVER have
encouraged
piracy, also i reccomend to use ORIGINAL FILES that you can only find if
you
have the ORIGINAL CD, is this encourage piracy as you say? Dont confuse
an
utility to preserve our OROGINAL CDS with piracy. Im talking in my
site
about F1 2001 like the DEFINITIVE SIM with a lot of good things (but not
all). Im in permanent contact with the EA Europe developers and you say
that Im a PIRATE? So let me say you that you MUST excuse for your words
because there are a BIG LIE. If you visit my Principal server youll see
a
lot of screenshots with the ORIGINAL CD... is this piracy?

And a final think, after you finish your crusade against my piracy
encouragement try to resolve the VOODOO 3 unsopport of F1 2001, Im
receiving a lot of mails of users that cant believe that EA didnt give
support on F1 2001 for this (very popular) videocard. Maybe you can
explain
all of us why F1 2001 dont support Voodoo 3 and then we resolve for you
the
problem.

Piracy encouragement? ... No thanks... and either lies, please

(Ps: congratulations, after 3 attempts you did a good sim)

by **EA employe** » Tue, 27 Nov 2001 18:53:58

> warning - rant follows.

> > with complete installation cd is required only to check that you've
> original
> > copy of the game, no files are loaded from cd.during the game.

> You're missing the point mate. With the no-cd installation
> the cd is not required at all! You are not required to show
> your drivers license and proof of purchase every time you
> play the game.

> > this step is only one or two seconds long.

> ok - can i bill you for cumulative time wasted? Careful because
> I've already recouped the cost of the game on this and waiting for
> re-draws with the 21.83 nvidia drivers.

> Lets see - on my machine, in two seconds, your software can either :

> a> draw 140-160 frames of *** 3d artwork, simulate a
> formula one car in all it's glory, run an AI engine, generate
> 3d sound and run a force feedback device.

> or

> b> check for a few bytes on a cd.

> is the inefficiency apparent yet? At least get with the times
> and remove the cd-rom bottleneck from your protection systems.

> > if you've regular cd, install the official patch and play the game.
> > if cd is damaged go to ea support page and ask for sostitution:soon
your
> > local store will give you a new copy.

> As far as I'm aware, I am legally entitled to make
> one backup copy of my software under the
> provision it is for stored backups in case my
> original installation media gets corrupted.

> Your copy protection violates my rights as a consumer
> by making my cd backup unusable.

> and besides - the only people who ever EVER excute
> the copy protection routines in your software are the
> legal owners of the software. Don't you realise the 000's
> you spend on this protection is simply fuel for the cracker
> races out in warez land? If you guys didn't copy protect
> your software, there wouldn't be cracking crews and all
> the cool coders would get back to demos like in the amiga
> days.

> iksteh

when you buy a software title you accecpt (almost in every country) some
limitations as the prohibition of modifying in any kind parts of his (such
as executable files).
the time (very precious i suppose!) you spend waiting the cd check is lower
then the time you spend searching and downloading no-cd files from warez
sites or the time you spend applying unsafedisk patch to f1_2001.exe
everytime a new update of the game is out.

by **Olav K. Malm** » Tue, 27 Nov 2001 18:58:49

> when you buy a software title you accecpt (almost in every country) some
> limitations as the prohibition of modifying in any kind parts of his (such
> as executable files).
> the time (very precious i suppose!) you spend waiting the cd check is lower
> then the time you spend searching and downloading no-cd files from warez
> sites or the time you spend applying unsafedisk patch to f1_2001.exe
> everytime a new update of the game is out.

I'm just curious, since you do have a point about accepting terms
about not modifying any parts of the software: How about using a
cd-ripping software and put the entire CD content as a image file on
the harddisk and let a virtual-cd program fool the operating system
into thinking the CD is present ?

I hope you do understand that it is pretty annoying for legal
customers to find that CD. Since we're all here computer buffs, I
guess noone's desk is nice and tidy :)

--
Olav K. Malmin
remove .spam when replying

by **EA employe** » Tue, 27 Nov 2001 19:04:19

you can't modify original files; it's a limitation that you accept when you
buy a software title.

And a final think, after you finish your crusade against my piracy

the game doesn't work with some old video cards (does ati rage pro IIc or s3
Trio do the work?); the limitation is firts due to the amount of video
memory.

by **Uncle Feste** » Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:22:57

> the time (very precious i suppose!) you spend waiting the cd check is lower
> then the time you spend searching and downloading no-cd files from warez
> sites or the time you spend applying unsafedisk patch to f1_2001.exe
> everytime a new update of the game is out.

The time can be very considerable when CD-Roms ***on the copy
protection schemes, sometimes even refusing to run. Don't tell me the
software companies have never heard of THAT, thus penalizing the honest
consumer.

--

Fester

by DB » Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:28:35

My dear Employed:

"...you can't modify original files; it's a limitation that you accept when
you
buy a software title..."

In my home I do what I want... didnt you? XD

"...the game doesn't work with some old video cards..."

Congratulations, is the first game that doesnt work with Voodoo3, come
on find a solution to all Voodoo 3 users (its no difficult, believe me)

by DB » Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:58:56

I forgot...

"...you can't modify original files; it's a limitation that you accept when
you
buy a software title..."

Maybe youre saying that people like Ralph Hummerich or Simon Phillips are
too pirats because they are modifying original files... I think that is best
that you come back to work and stop saying incoherences...

(Ps : Im waiting your public excuses)

by **A.M.Troni** » Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:22:48

Another corporate shill

*PLONK*

by **Dave Henri** » Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:28:03

Good point...I recently tried to join a 3 player session online of Age of
Kings with the Conquerer's expansion. I've know the 2 other users for
years, we've played often online...but this was my first attempt at joining
with that paticular game. I must have tried to start it a dozen times,
couldn't even get to the main menu's.. Slapped on a no-cd patch and I was
up and *** with my friends. It's always refreshing to know the people I
buy stuff from are placing programs on my cd that prevent me from using it.
Thanks alot guys.
And 2ndly. I had a new system about 2.5 years ago. Brand new, everything
inside was fresh. The cdrom lasted about 18 months before dieing. So
excuse me if I do everything I can to lengthen the life of it's
replacement.(i.e. only put cd's in the tray when I really NEED them)
dave henrie

> > the time (very precious i suppose!) you spend waiting the cd check is
lower
> > then the time you spend searching and downloading no-cd files from warez
> > sites or the time you spend applying unsafedisk patch to f1_2001.exe
> > everytime a new update of the game is out.

> The time can be very considerable when CD-Roms ***on the copy
> protection schemes, sometimes even refusing to run. Don't tell me the
> software companies have never heard of THAT, thus penalizing the honest
> consumer.

> --

> Fester

by **Goy Larse** » Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:53:46

> Good point...I recently tried to join a 3 player session online of Age of
> Kings with the Conquerer's expansion. I've know the 2 other users for
> years, we've played often online...but this was my first attempt at joining
> with that paticular game. I must have tried to start it a dozen times,
> couldn't even get to the main menu's.. Slapped on a no-cd patch and I was
> up and *** with my friends. It's always refreshing to know the people I
> buy stuff from are placing programs on my cd that prevent me from using it.
> Thanks alot guys.
> And 2ndly. I had a new system about 2.5 years ago. Brand new, everything
> inside was fresh. The cdrom lasted about 18 months before dieing. So
> excuse me if I do everything I can to lengthen the life of it's
> replacement.(i.e. only put cd's in the tray when I really NEED them)
> dave henrie

Oh c'mon Dave, tell us how you really feel

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

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by **Jens H. Kruus** » Wed, 28 Nov 2001 02:41:10

Really Olav, you disappoint me. Sure you can find a CD-case in the clutter, take out the CD, eject the CD in the drive, pick that
up, realize that you have a CD in each hand, spot a different case under the can of coke, move the can, open the case with the tip
of your nose, put the CD from the drive in the case, put the F1 CD in the CD-drive, push in the tray, close the open cases on the
table, wait for the CD to spin up, look for your coke (hint: it's under the mouse now), and start playing the game ... in 2-3
seconds. Everybody else can. :-)

/Jens

by **Uncle Feste** » Wed, 28 Nov 2001 06:17:29

> you can't modify original files; it's a limitation that you accept when you
> buy a software title.

You don't wanna open that can of worms. Licensing restrictions that can
only be read AFTER the software is purchased & installed, and thus
unreturnable in 99% of all stores. Click-thru licenses suck. (Technical
term).

That's not a real good attitude for a software company to take anyways,
come to think of it. The titles that sell the best & have the longest
community support are those where modification is widely done &
accepted. I'm thinking of Flight Simulator/SCGT/GPL etc. here. Closed
up programs tend to die quickly & have short shelf lives. Not a smart
financial decision on the software companies part.

--

Fester

by **Dave Henri** » Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:13:21

One thing about this whole thread. If you are an EA employee...you should
be picking up on something...we are customers. We 'seem' to have a gripe.
It would behoove the corparate powers to listen to the end users. Whether
the company or individuals agreee or disagree with the no cd issue, they
still should be hearing loud and clear the disatisfaction of end
users...purchasers.
Pirating is wrong, pirating costs companies money. I will stipulate to
both of those. But I will also say....current copy protection schemes are a
waste of money.(money that 'could' have been spent getting F1 2001 to work
with a wider range of vid-cards perhaps?) If there is a person or a
pirate group that wants to copy your product...nothing you guys are paying
for will stop them. But crippling MY purchase, in the name of cp, should at
least be a toggle item. Get my money then free my cd. Don't spend money to
induce errors into cd's that all but make them unreadable...(AND I HOPE
PAPYRUS IS LISTENING AS WELL!) The recent N4 debacle is ludicrious. The
copy protection(securerom) prevented many users from running the program due
to hardware conflicts. Did I see a big fat sticker on the N4 box that
alerted me to this? Was there a large display at the point of sale that
stated that Vivendi/Havas/Sierra/Papyrus feel the need to protect thier
product and do so by including errors in the media so that certain systems
will NOT be able to load the program?
I wonder if there are any class action lawyers sniffing about?
dave henrie

> > I think that you MUST read everything before accuse me of encourage
> > piracy.
> > First of all, read on my site, and youll find that i NEVER have
> > encouraged
> > piracy, also i reccomend to use ORIGINAL FILES that you can only find if
> > you
> > have the ORIGINAL CD, is this encourage piracy as you say? Dont confuse
> > an
> > utility to preserve our OROGINAL CDS with piracy.

> you can't modify original files; it's a limitation that you accept when
you
> buy a software title.

> And a final think, after you finish your crusade against my piracy
> > encouragement try to resolve the VOODOO 3 unsopport of F1 2001, Im
> > receiving a lot of mails of users that cant believe that EA didnt give
> > support on F1 2001 for this (very popular) videocard. Maybe you can
> > explain
> > all of us why F1 2001 dont support Voodoo 3 and then we resolve for you
> > the
> > problem

> the game doesn't work with some old video cards (does ati rage pro IIc or
s3
> Trio do the work?); the limitation is firts due to the amount of video
> memory.

by **Don Burnett** » Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:28:05

I would have to agree on the copy protection as it is today.
With technology what it is, you would think they could come up with some
internal check through a hash code or something that would allow
verification that the game is the real deal, without requiring the cd rom to
be in the drive.
While I haven't had a problem yet with N4 or F12001, I have had a problem
with Operation Flashpoint. First I installed it from my cd burner drive, it
installed fine but would not run period. I uninstalled and installed it from
my plain jane cd rom drive, it installed but now I get upgrade it with the
latest patch - the patch requires the cd rom to be in the drive just to
install - ridiculous I think - and it doesn't recognize the OFP cd as being
in the drive. I guarentee it is do to their copy protection scheme.
Yet, I am sure there are probably hackers out there who have gotten around
that and probably around their "fade" copy protection as well, where if the
game is not original it begins to fade after a few hours use getting to the
point of being unplayable.
I love the OFP game, but this has really turned me off to it.

More and more folks are buying computers with cd burners, dvd drives, etc as
their one and only drive. Imagine the folks that don't have the know how or
resources to research their problems and come up with a fix by dowloading
certain drivers, secure rom updates, etc.

Look at Win XP, certainly the XP cd does not have to be in the drive to
operate the OS, yet it has some pretty secure features built in. Again, I am
sure the most *** hackers find a way around this, but the casual user
is not going to be burning copies for others consumption.

It just seems to me something could be developed that satisfied both the
developers and the end users. A person that goes into the store , checks out
the requirements on the box, sees that their system meets these
requirements, should be able to purchase it , install it, and run it fairly
easily.

Don Burnette

> One thing about this whole thread. If you are an EA employee...you
should
> be picking up on something...we are customers. We 'seem' to have a gripe.
> It would behoove the corparate powers to listen to the end users. Whether
> the company or individuals agreee or disagree with the no cd issue, they
> still should be hearing loud and clear the disatisfaction of end
> users...purchasers.
> Pirating is wrong, pirating costs companies money. I will stipulate to
> both of those. But I will also say....current copy protection schemes are
a
> waste of money.(money that 'could' have been spent getting F1 2001 to work
> with a wider range of vid-cards perhaps?) If there is a person or a
> pirate group that wants to copy your product...nothing you guys are paying
> for will stop them. But crippling MY purchase, in the name of cp, should
at
> least be a toggle item. Get my money then free my cd. Don't spend money
to
> induce errors into cd's that all but make them unreadable...(AND I HOPE
> PAPYRUS IS LISTENING AS WELL!) The recent N4 debacle is ludicrious. The
> copy protection(securerom) prevented many users from running the program
due
> to hardware conflicts. Did I see a big fat sticker on the N4 box that
> alerted me to this? Was there a large display at the point of sale that
> stated that Vivendi/Havas/Sierra/Papyrus feel the need to protect thier
> product and do so by including errors in the media so that certain systems
> will NOT be able to load the program?
> I wonder if there are any class action lawyers sniffing about?
> dave henrie

> > > I think that you MUST read everything before accuse me of encourage
> > > piracy.
> > > First of all, read on my site, and youll find that i NEVER have
> > > encouraged
> > > piracy, also i reccomend to use ORIGINAL FILES that you can only find
if
> > > you
> > > have the ORIGINAL CD, is this encourage piracy as you say? Dont
confuse
> > > an
> > > utility to preserve our OROGINAL CDS with piracy.

> > you can't modify original files; it's a limitation that you accept when
> you
> > buy a software title.

> > And a final think, after you finish your crusade against my piracy
> > > encouragement try to resolve the VOODOO 3 unsopport of F1 2001, Im
> > > receiving a lot of mails of users that cant believe that EA didnt
give
> > > support on F1 2001 for this (very popular) videocard. Maybe you can
> > > explain
> > > all of us why F1 2001 dont support Voodoo 3 and then we resolve for
you
> > > the
> > > problem

> > the game doesn't work with some old video cards (does ati rage pro IIc
or
> s3
> > Trio do the work?); the limitation is firts due to the amount of video
> > memory.

by **Andre Warrin** » Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:47:08

Didn't Fluffypony also tell us he was an EA employee?
Am I on to something here? :)

Andre

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