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Papy went under Sierra's control...now Nascar 3, CART 2000, and probably
American sim racing as we know it is dead.

I should have been like my brother and been a golf fan instead of racing, they
don't have any of these problems.

See you at the races,
Eric Brighton

Yea but Microsoft as we all know is NOT date driven (remember windows
95....oops i mean 96).  Besides they didnt kill Links.  LS 99 is VERY good.  

Sierra however has more or less killed Papy i agree....so if youre listening
Sierra...take a hint.  Just because some poeple are dissatisfied with a delay
in relase dates doesnt mean we al are.  We dont like them....but if theyre
necessary to get THE BEST Papy has to offer ill tolerate it.

Just my 2 cents,
Chris

Scott
PA-Scott

I hope you all aren't confusing Microsoft Golf with Links?

http://www.accesssoftware.com still is the place whre youb fink Links LS,
http://www.microsoft.com/games/ has no mention of Links LS, but thier
Microsoft 1999 game is listed.

did this happen recentlty or what?

ROTFL.  Now thats funny as hell.  Who are they?  Never heard of almost
any of them.  Doh.

Arie was a fluke, so was Eddie who was a wash out of both CART and F1.  But
you don't even mention the others such as Emmo or Al Unser, JR.  And they've
already said what they think on the subject.

What fans?  I can still get tickets at reasonable prices, never could
before.
And those aren't cars..nor are those drivers.

Just because they ran at Indy does not make a driver talented.  Heck, um,
whats her face, ran at Indy several times....only time she ever got a ride
in
an Indycar.

Sure.....just because there is a race on Memorial Day doesn't mean that
the race is alive and well...or that its any good.  Not to mention, it was
Tony George who was a guest of Bill France at the CART race in Miami,
not the other way around with Andrew Craig being a guest of Bill France
at a IRL race.

Same as yours, same as everyone else's.

IRL is a joke.

Thank God Tony George isn't doing anything else stupid, like bringing
NASCAR to Indy, or constructing a road course to bring F1 races back
to America.  Race fans everywhere would hate Tony George if he did
anything THAT stupid, yessiree.  Tony George IS truly evil for what he
has done to the Indianapolis 500 -- and I'm sure former Indy winners
Arie Luyendyk, Eddie Cheever, A.J. Foyt, and Al Unser, Sr., would
agree with you, too.  

Still, if Indy is dead, I wonder why I encountered so many teams,
cars, drivers, and fans converging at 16th & Georgetown this weekend?
Must've been that wonderful Indiana weather . . .

Get a clue.  There are more Indy veterans running in the IRL than
there are in CART these days.  Not to mention the talented new drivers
who have come on the scene in the past four years.  CART is full of
talent, too, both young and old -- don't get me wrong  (who is this
Montoya guy, though?  Wasn't he that guy in the movie "The Princess
Bride" who was looking for the guy who killed his father? <G>).  

CART and the IRL are two vastly different products now, though, and
the Indianapolis 500 -- AND the IRL -- are getting along fine without
CART, just as CART is getting along fine without the Indy 500.  It is
true that Indy, the IRL, and CART would probably all be doing better
if some way could be found to unify the IRL and CART, but there are
factions on both sides that are working on this issue, so give it
time.  In the meantime, there are still cars breaking records at Indy
this May, and there's still going to be a race on Memorial day in
Indy, so it seems to me that the Indy 500 is alive and well,
Nostradamus.  

You ARE entitled to your opinion, but you know what they say about
opinions and belly-buttons . . .

-- John Bodin
   Publisher, The IRL Insider Magazine
   http://irlinsider.adnetweb.com/

--
Chuck Kandler  #70
K&S Racing
http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195
Unarmed & unafraid!

Yeah, but Carl Haas and Roger Penske were at Indy last year, and I've
NEVER heard of Tony George dropping in on CART's crown jewel, which
would be, uh, don't help me . . . uh, lessee . . . hmmm . . . oh,
yeah, that would be that race at Penske's track in Fontana, right?
You know -- "All Roads Lead To Fontana" and all.  Oh, wait -- Penske
SOLD all his tracks (and most of his CART stock, too.  Never mind.
Must be the Long Beach race that Tony George hasn't visited.  After
all, it IS called the CART/FedEx LongBeachCar World Series, right?
Oh, wait -- you must be implying that Homestead IS CART's crown jewel.
I get it.

FWIW, Roger Penske scouted out Jason Leffler at the Terre Haute
Actioin Track last fall -- does THAT mean that Penske plans to buy up
all the dirt tracks, or has he finally decided that Terre Haute is THE
mecca of motorsports, and Penske Racing can't survive in the world of
motorsports without being a part of the Terre Haute Action Track?  

Now, tell me, how far do we want to stretch these asinine arguments?
The Indy 500 was the Greatest Spectacle In Racing long before Roger
Penske, Carl Haas, Chip Gnassis, and Steve Green were even born, and
the race did just fine before CART, and it will continue on into the
next millenium with or without CART.  The Indy 500 doesn't have an
identity crisis -- CART and the IRL might be suffering from all this,
but the Indy 500 is still THE premiere auto race in the U.S.  

For whatever reason, Europe seems to turn out much better drivers than Nth
America does.

Z.

Please remove NOSPAM from my email address when replying.

AH!  Thank you for the diversion -- here's something we can argue
about besides the tired, old, CART vs. IRL drivel . . . <G>

-- JB

Within 3 years, I think the Indy 500 will whither enough that the
Daytona 500 will be THE premier auto race in the U.S.
It's arguable that it is already, and I'm not a big NASCAR fan.
At least the buzz about Daytona is all exciting and positive. <shrug>

Tim

Well said!

Trey Behan