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by **Mark Gum** » Sat, 15 Mar 1997 04:00:00

Saw a news item on Headline News from some tech show;

Sega is going to have an "Indy 500" motion arcade game. Looks a lot like
the Daytona game graphically, except the cars are now Indy cars, and you
sit in a mockup of the car and the whole thing wiggles in relation to the
screen. But you know DAMN well they got exclusive rights to that name as
well. I think they do the rights thing just to block Papyrus from producing
the real thing.. Why don't Papy produce an arcade game? Let's take it to
them!

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by **Phil Bowe** » Sat, 15 Mar 1997 04:00:00

Who really gives a shit about daytona and indy. Just 2 more tracks. I'd
be disapointed if Talladega, Bristol or Atlanta were missing from Nascar.
Indy would be about like Loudon except 4 straights. Why does everyone
spend so much time dwelling on the indy/daytona issue??

by **Bill Hutso** » Sat, 15 Mar 1997 04:00:00

> Who really gives a shit about daytona and indy. Just 2 more tracks. I'd
> be disapointed if Talladega, Bristol or Atlanta were missing from Nascar.
> Indy would be about like Loudon except 4 straights. Why does everyone
> spend so much time dwelling on the indy/daytona issue??

> > Sega is going to have an "Indy 500" motion arcade game. Looks a lot like
> > the Daytona game <snip>

Indy is like LOUDON???? EXUSE ME!! Not! Indy is the capitol of all auto
racing and being from Indiana myself, I take that as an insult. I also
give a shit about Daytona because it is one of the most famous tracks in
the world.
Bill Hutson

by **Tom** » Sun, 16 Mar 1997 04:00:00

>> Who really gives a shit about daytona and indy. Just 2 more tracks. I'd
>> be disapointed if Talladega, Bristol or Atlanta were missing from Nascar.
>> Indy would be about like Loudon except 4 straights. Why does everyone
>> spend so much time dwelling on the indy/daytona issue??

>> > Sega is going to have an "Indy 500" motion arcade game. Looks a lot
like
>> > the Daytona game <snip>
>Indy is like LOUDON???? EXUSE ME!! Not! Indy is the capitol of all auto
>racing and being from Indiana myself, I take that as an insult. I also
>give a shit about Daytona because it is one of the most famous tracks in
>the world.
>Bill Hutson

damnit if you want those two tracks so bad, go make your own or pay 5
million to papyrus to get the right of those two tracks.

by **Don Mullin** » Sun, 16 Mar 1997 04:00:00

> Who really gives a shit about daytona and indy. Just 2 more tracks. I'd
> be disapointed if Talladega, Bristol or Atlanta were missing from Nascar.
> Indy would be about like Loudon except 4 straights. Why does everyone
> spend so much time dwelling on the indy/daytona issue??

> > Sega is going to have an "Indy 500" motion arcade game. Looks a lot like
> > the Daytona game <snip>

Hmm those are only the 2 biggest damn races of the year. That might
have a little to with it.
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by **Ferr** » Wed, 19 Mar 1997 04:00:00

On Fri, 14 Mar 1997 16:06:51 -0500, Bill Hutson

>Indy is like LOUDON???? EXUSE ME!! Not! Indy is the capitol of all auto
>racing and being from Indiana myself, I take that as an insult. I also
>give a shit about Daytona because it is one of the most famous tracks in
>the world.

That's typical. In Europe (and I think the rest of the world) Indycar
racing is considered to be pretty boring. So speak for the USA, not
for the world...

by jo » Wed, 19 Mar 1997 04:00:00

>>> Who really gives a shit about daytona and indy. Just 2 more tracks. I'd
>>> be disapointed if Talladega, Bristol or Atlanta were missing from Nascar.
>>> Indy would be about like Loudon except 4 straights. Why does everyone
>>> spend so much time dwelling on the indy/daytona issue??

<...>

Hey, I'm from Louden, *the* capitol of all auto racing... and I take
that as an insult ;)

OK, ok, let's just face a couple things. While Daytona is *the*
superbowl of NASCAR, NASCAR isn't what put IMS on the map. Anyone
remember what did? A painful memory...

Daytona certainly is a loss to Papy's NASCAR, though. Fact is, Daytona
has other big, international races too; it is a world-class racetrack.
It would be interesting if CART could race Daytona in lieu of IMS.
What are the precise reasons why this would be impossible, anybody
know?

Good one!

by jo » Thu, 20 Mar 1997 04:00:00

>On Fri, 14 Mar 1997 16:06:51 -0500, Bill Hutson

>>Indy is like LOUDON???? EXUSE ME!! Not! Indy is the capitol of all auto
>>racing and being from Indiana myself, I take that as an insult. I also
>>give a shit about Daytona because it is one of the most famous tracks in
>>the world.

>That's typical. In Europe (and I think the rest of the world) Indycar
>racing is considered to be pretty boring. So speak for the USA, not
>for the world...

I think he was talking about NASCAR. But anyway, do you care to
explain to us why "europeans" consider Indycar "boring"? I mean, there
is passing in Indycar- that would at least be a novelty for a European
F1 fan. How much passing did you see last year in the top 6 of any
race? Outside of start and pits, I can't think of any! In CART,
immediately I can think of many big passes- Zanardi in the corkscrew
at Laguna Seca on the last lap of the last race is a pretty damn good
example.

The impression here, as I see it, is that europeans don't find the
Indy formula "boring", but something of a threat, being an American
form and having more powerful cars with more stable close-racing
parameters. And some of the best drivers in the world.

The exciting part of F1 races is the starts. Sort of like our "drag
racing"...

but admittedly, we don't have eddi irvine!

by **Michael Bar** » Fri, 21 Mar 1997 04:00:00

A CART Indycar (the only REAL kind) would have about a 260 MPH AVERAGE
lap time at Daytona, because of the banking. At that speed, an Indycar
generates enough kinetic energy to launch the car 1/4 mile straight up.
Obviously, any car to car contact at speeds like this would be
catastrophic, and a wall impact would be devastating, even with the
advanced safety features on the current cars. Basically, Indycars are
way too fast for Daytona ...

Mike

by **Archer, hogpil** » Sat, 22 Mar 1997 04:00:00

If you want to slow the cars down, you could make them run restrictor
plates - you know - large steel plates an inch thick and maybe 2-feet
square that are towed about 5 feet behind the car.

Besides slowing the cars down, it would make passing real
interesting...

by **AKH** » Sat, 22 Mar 1997 04:00:00

I read that early on 'Indy' cars did run at Daytona (back when I think
they were called 'Champ' cars (a longgggg time ago) and atleast one
driver was killed there. It was deemed too dangerous and they haven't
been back since.

Akh

<SNIP>

by **Mike Carrother** » Sat, 22 Mar 1997 04:00:00

>> > Daytona certainly is a loss to Papy's NASCAR, though. Fact is, Daytona
>> > has other big, international races too; it is a world-class racetrack.
>> > It would be interesting if CART could race Daytona in lieu of IMS.
>> > What are the precise reasons why this would be impossible, anybody
>> > know?

>> A CART Indycar (the only REAL kind) would have about a 260 MPH AVERAGE
>> lap time at Daytona, because of the banking. At that speed, an Indycar
>> generates enough kinetic energy to launch the car 1/4 mile straight up.
>> Obviously, any car to car contact at speeds like this would be
>> catastrophic, and a wall impact would be devastating, even with the
>> advanced safety features on the current cars. Basically, Indycars are
>> way too fast for Daytona ...

>If you want to slow the cars down, you could make them run restrictor
>plates - you know - large steel plates an inch thick and maybe 2-feet
>square that are towed about 5 feet behind the car.

>Besides slowing the cars down, it would make passing real
>interesting...

Didn't the Chevy boys want to do this to the Fords to give the chevys a chance?

Mike

by **David Spark** » Sat, 22 Mar 1997 04:00:00

>> > Daytona certainly is a loss to Papy's NASCAR, though. Fact is, Daytona
>> > has other big, international races too; it is a world-class racetrack.
>> > It would be interesting if CART could race Daytona in lieu of IMS.
>> > What are the precise reasons why this would be impossible, anybody
>> > know?

>> A CART Indycar (the only REAL kind) would have about a 260 MPH AVERAGE
>> lap time at Daytona, because of the banking. At that speed, an Indycar
>> generates enough kinetic energy to launch the car 1/4 mile straight up.
>> Obviously, any car to car contact at speeds like this would be
>> catastrophic, and a wall impact would be devastating, even with the
>> advanced safety features on the current cars. Basically, Indycars are
>> way too fast for Daytona ...

>If you want to slow the cars down, you could make them run restrictor
>plates - you know - large steel plates an inch thick and maybe 2-feet
>square that are towed about 5 feet behind the car.

>Besides slowing the cars down, it would make passing real
>interesting...

LOL!

Actually, they would do what they do at Michigan, lower the setting on the
popoff valves to restrict the turbo boost, which gives pretty much the same
effect as a restrictor plate on a turbocharged, fuel-injected engine.
Restrictor plates only work on normally aspirated engines.

Dave Sparks
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Late Night League: http://www.sequoia-dev.com/Hawaii/latenite.html
Hawaii Handle: davids

by **Obi-Wa** » Sat, 22 Mar 1997 04:00:00

> > Daytona certainly is a loss to Papy's NASCAR, though. Fact is, Daytona
> > has other big, international races too; it is a world-class racetrack.
> > It would be interesting if CART could race Daytona in lieu of IMS.
> > What are the precise reasons why this would be impossible, anybody
> > know?

> A CART Indycar (the only REAL kind) would have about a 260 MPH AVERAGE
> lap time at Daytona, because of the banking. At that speed, an Indycar
> generates enough kinetic energy to launch the car 1/4 mile straight up.
> Obviously, any car to car contact at speeds like this would be
> catastrophic, and a wall impact would be devastating, even with the
> advanced safety features on the current cars. Basically, Indycars are
> way too fast for Daytona ...

> Mike

To expand on this in the 50's I believe they tested there but had a
horrible crash that killed the driver. Basically Daytona is waayyyy to
fast for indy cars to run safly.

Obi-Wan
PS The IRL isn't that bad.

by **Neil Yeatma** » Sat, 22 Mar 1997 04:00:00

> If you want to slow the cars down, you could make them run restrictor
> plates - you know - large steel plates an inch thick and maybe 2-feet
> square that are towed about 5 feet behind the car.

> Besides slowing the cars down, it would make passing real
> interesting...

ROTFL! Excellent...hang on, still wiping my eyes... :)

Or as an alternative, have them tow an IRL car behind 'em. You
could even let the IRL boys run the engines for extra noise.

Maybe the race could be the first CART car to "lose" his IRL
car will win the race! This might be a lot of fun in Detroit,
too.

Neil
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