rec.autos.simulators

>Well put; that needed saying.

>DK

>> > >Okay folks, this has REALLY gotten ridiculous -- this is one of the
>> > >longest threads I've seen in the R.A.S newsgroup yet.

>> John, I see where you're coming from on the IRL/Indy issue.
>> Unfortunately, it seems that nobody can change anybody's mindset about
>> an issue on RAS.  That's just the way it is. Save your sanity... you
>> can't fend off all the incoming missles from the "other viewpoint".
>> I've got caught up in them in the past... and it's fruitless. However, I
>> never learn, so...

>> As for IRL... I'm not real partial to it, but probably because it
>> doesn't get much exposure, so I don't see it much.  I will say this:

>> ANYBODY that will jump into a high powered missle and hurl it around at
>> those speeds deserves a TRUE racing enthusiats respect, league
>> regardless.  The "Billy Boats" take just as much, or more, risk as the
>> "Schumacher's" or "Andretti's", etc.  What saddens me is that even
>> self-proclaimed/so-called "racing enthusiasts" can have the audacity to
>> belittle the IRL's driver's efforts, and they are engaged in a
>> potentially life threatning sport as much as any open wheeled driver.

>> I have seen drivers with "heart" in each series.  To think that a driver
>> is less of a person than another because he drives in IRL is ludicrous.
>> I remember watching Buddy Lazier almost collapse while in the Winner's
>> Cirle at Indy a few years back.  Why? Because he was driving with a
>> (recovering) broken back.  Think about that. 220+ MPH with a broken
>> back... knowing that even a small mishap could leave him crippled for
>> life. Yet, he took the risk. Why? Because he's a RACER through and
>> through.

>> Odd. I hear all this about that "no name" driver, etc.  Hmmm... seems to
>> me that every upcoming driver is a "no name". That's why's he's there...
>> to prove his worth. Few knew squat about past "newbies" in CART.
>> (Remember some of the hairbrained mistakes a certain newbie made in his
>> rookie year in CART?  It was a fellow by the name of Alex Zanardi.)  But
>> some went on to prove their talent... those that couldn't, fall by the
>> wayside.  That's racing.  Ditto this this "Tony Stewart" kid... who's
>> he?  Well, it's being proven that he can indeed run with the best in his
>> chosen ield: Nascar Winston Cup. And, like it or not, he came up through
>> the IRL to get there.

>> And therein lies another overlooked fact: Perhaps most of the upcoming
>> IRL boys don't WANT to drive F1 cars.  Their passion is oval racing.  As
>> for the so-called "has been" F1 drivers in IRL (or CART)... well...
>> could it just be that (though their skills aren't what's required for
>> F1)... they just want to RACE?  Seems to me that's a genuine racer. One
>> that won't quit because he can't be in the "Big Show" that has all the
>> glamour... but instead, he finds a car, a series, SOMETHING... and keeps
>> racing.  Seems to me that's "heart".  But what do I know?

>> Anyway, it saddens me to see drivers that lay everything on the line,
>> risking life and limb, REGARDLESS of venue, to be sneered at and
>> belittled because that venue doesn't happen to be the "Anointed One" of
>> the small person doing the sneering.  To me, that's a real tradgedy.

>> Andre Ming

> > >Okay folks, this has REALLY gotten ridiculous -- this is one of the
> > >longest threads I've seen in the R.A.S newsgroup yet.

> John, I see where you're coming from on the IRL/Indy issue.
> Unfortunately, it seems that nobody can change anybody's mindset about
> an issue on RAS.  That's just the way it is. Save your sanity... you
> can't fend off all the incoming missles from the "other viewpoint".
> I've got caught up in them in the past... and it's fruitless. However, I
> never learn, so...

> As for IRL... I'm not real partial to it, but probably because it
> doesn't get much exposure, so I don't see it much.  I will say this:

> ANYBODY that will jump into a high powered missle and hurl it around at
> those speeds deserves a TRUE racing enthusiats respect, league
> regardless.  The "Billy Boats" take just as much, or more, risk as the
> "Schumacher's" or "Andretti's", etc.  What saddens me is that even
> self-proclaimed/so-called "racing enthusiasts" can have the audacity to
> belittle the IRL's driver's efforts, and they are engaged in a
> potentially life threatning sport as much as any open wheeled driver.

> I have seen drivers with "heart" in each series.  To think that a driver
> is less of a person than another because he drives in IRL is ludicrous.
> I remember watching Buddy Lazier almost collapse while in the Winner's
> Cirle at Indy a few years back.  Why? Because he was driving with a
> (recovering) broken back.  Think about that. 220+ MPH with a broken
> back... knowing that even a small mishap could leave him crippled for
> life. Yet, he took the risk. Why? Because he's a RACER through and
> through.

> Odd. I hear all this about that "no name" driver, etc.  Hmmm... seems to
> me that every upcoming driver is a "no name". That's why's he's there...
> to prove his worth. Few knew squat about past "newbies" in CART.
> (Remember some of the hairbrained mistakes a certain newbie made in his
> rookie year in CART?  It was a fellow by the name of Alex Zanardi.)  But
> some went on to prove their talent... those that couldn't, fall by the
> wayside.  That's racing.  Ditto this this "Tony Stewart" kid... who's
> he?  Well, it's being proven that he can indeed run with the best in his
> chosen ield: Nascar Winston Cup. And, like it or not, he came up through
> the IRL to get there.

> And therein lies another overlooked fact: Perhaps most of the upcoming
> IRL boys don't WANT to drive F1 cars.  Their passion is oval racing.  As
> for the so-called "has been" F1 drivers in IRL (or CART)... well...
> could it just be that (though their skills aren't what's required for
> F1)... they just want to RACE?  Seems to me that's a genuine racer. One
> that won't quit because he can't be in the "Big Show" that has all the
> glamour... but instead, he finds a car, a series, SOMETHING... and keeps
> racing.  Seems to me that's "heart".  But what do I know?

> Anyway, it saddens me to see drivers that lay everything on the line,
> risking life and limb, REGARDLESS of venue, to be sneered at and
> belittled because that venue doesn't happen to be the "Anointed One" of
> the small person doing the sneering.  To me, that's a real tradgedy.

> Andre Ming

>> > >Okay folks, this has REALLY gotten ridiculous -- this is one of the
>> > >longest threads I've seen in the R.A.S newsgroup yet.

>> John, I see where you're coming from on the IRL/Indy issue.
>> Unfortunately, it seems that nobody can change anybody's mindset about
>> an issue on RAS.  That's just the way it is. Save your sanity... you
>> can't fend off all the incoming missles from the "other viewpoint".
>> I've got caught up in them in the past... and it's fruitless. However, I
>> never learn, so...

>> As for IRL... I'm not real partial to it, but probably because it
>> doesn't get much exposure, so I don't see it much.  I will say this:

>> ANYBODY that will jump into a high powered missle and hurl it around at
>> those speeds deserves a TRUE racing enthusiats respect, league
>> regardless.  The "Billy Boats" take just as much, or more, risk as the
>> "Schumacher's" or "Andretti's", etc.  What saddens me is that even
>> self-proclaimed/so-called "racing enthusiasts" can have the audacity to
>> belittle the IRL's driver's efforts, and they are engaged in a
>> potentially life threatning sport as much as any open wheeled driver.

>> I have seen drivers with "heart" in each series.  To think that a driver
>> is less of a person than another because he drives in IRL is ludicrous.
>> I remember watching Buddy Lazier almost collapse while in the Winner's
>> Cirle at Indy a few years back.  Why? Because he was driving with a
>> (recovering) broken back.  Think about that. 220+ MPH with a broken
>> back... knowing that even a small mishap could leave him crippled for
>> life. Yet, he took the risk. Why? Because he's a RACER through and
>> through.

>> Odd. I hear all this about that "no name" driver, etc.  Hmmm... seems to
>> me that every upcoming driver is a "no name". That's why's he's there...
>> to prove his worth. Few knew squat about past "newbies" in CART.
>> (Remember some of the hairbrained mistakes a certain newbie made in his
>> rookie year in CART?  It was a fellow by the name of Alex Zanardi.)  But
>> some went on to prove their talent... those that couldn't, fall by the
>> wayside.  That's racing.  Ditto this this "Tony Stewart" kid... who's
>> he?  Well, it's being proven that he can indeed run with the best in his
>> chosen ield: Nascar Winston Cup. And, like it or not, he came up through
>> the IRL to get there.

>> And therein lies another overlooked fact: Perhaps most of the upcoming
>> IRL boys don't WANT to drive F1 cars.  Their passion is oval racing.  As
>> for the so-called "has been" F1 drivers in IRL (or CART)... well...
>> could it just be that (though their skills aren't what's required for
>> F1)... they just want to RACE?  Seems to me that's a genuine racer. One
>> that won't quit because he can't be in the "Big Show" that has all the
>> glamour... but instead, he finds a car, a series, SOMETHING... and keeps
>> racing.  Seems to me that's "heart".  But what do I know?

>> Anyway, it saddens me to see drivers that lay everything on the line,
>> risking life and limb, REGARDLESS of venue, to be sneered at and
>> belittled because that venue doesn't happen to be the "Anointed One" of
>> the small person doing the sneering.  To me, that's a real tradgedy.

>> Andre Ming

>>> On Tue, 18 May 1999 13:42:01 GMT, "Scott B. Husted"

>>> >Winning $$$$ does not make it prestigious when you are competing
against
>>> >has been and never was drivers.

>>> Here's words you'll NEVER hear any real race driver utter:

>>> Driver:  "No sir, I'm sorry -- I can't accept that million-dollar
>>> purse.  Your race just isn't prestigious enough, and I couldn't
>>> tarnish my reputation as a driver by taking your money and making
>>> myself a millioniaire.  I'll go struggle in some other series . . ."

>>So what you are saying is that IRL drivers are just collecting money at
Indy
>>because 99% of them dont have the talent to compete in a "real" series??
>>"Ill stay in the IRL so I can compete and make money because I dont have
>>enough talent to run in CART and its top notch talent."  ???

>No, that's what YOU'RE saying.  Don't put words in my mouth.  I'm the
>one who thinks the IRL *is* a "real" prestigious series with top notch
>talent, remember?

>>> If a first-place prize of over a million dollars, and a total purse in
>>> excess of 8 million isn't "prestigious," then I don't know what is.

>>Scott Goodyear is leading the points after 2 races and has earned
$217,650.
>>An avg of $108,825 per race in IRL.

>>I dont have any CART statistics handy.

>I can't tell you how good it makes me feel to know that you follow the
>IRL *that* closely -- I couldn't have come up with those figures off
>the top of my head.  Doesn't this illustrate to you the inherent
>wrongness with your overall view of this whole issue?  The IRL is a
>series that you seem to loath, and yet you follow it closely enough
>that you are able to retain more useless, esoteric information about
>that series than an avowed, *** IRL fan?  Seek help, man, seek
>help.  If you like something, watch it, follow it, devour it if you
>will, but if you don't like something, then find better things to do
>with your time.  Take a walk, spend time with your loved ones, but
>don't waste another second of your life following the IRL, worrying
>about the state of the Indianapolis 500, or getting all twisted up
>with negativity in general.  Geez -- racing is SUPPPOSED to be
>entertainment.

>>> Speaking of prestigious, could you tell me, by chance, how much
>>> Montoya's earned for any of his past 3 victories?  I'm not questioning
>>> his talent here, mind you -- he's a DEFINITE talent -- but I'd like to
>>> put a dollar figure on this issue of "prestige," just for the record.

>>Again.. you are equating "prestige" to dollars when i was arguing just the
>>opposite.  You need to compete against top talent for it to be
prestigeous.
>>The IRL and the Indy 500 arent even close.

>Again, the issue of "top talent" is purely based on individual
>opinion.  Alex Zanaradi isn't competing against Dale Earnhardt or Jeff
>Gordon, so he isn't (and hasn't) competed against the top talent,
>which makes him second-rate . . . gimme a break!  We're almost down to
>the "my driver is better than your driver" level here.  I feel an
>uncontrollable urge to say, "Oh yeah?  Well neener-neener . . ."

>>--
>>Scott B. Husted
>>PA-Scott on TEN
>>http://www.racesimcentral.net/~sbhusted
>>ICQ# 4395450

>--
>Kirk Lane

>ICQ: 28171652

>>On Tue, 18 May 1999 23:50:30 -0400, "Scott B. Husted"

>>>> On Tue, 18 May 1999 13:42:01 GMT, "Scott B. Husted"

>>>> >Winning $$$$ does not make it prestigious when you are competing
>against
>>>> >has been and never was drivers.

>>>> Here's words you'll NEVER hear any real race driver utter:

>>>> Driver:  "No sir, I'm sorry -- I can't accept that million-dollar
>>>> purse.  Your race just isn't prestigious enough, and I couldn't
>>>> tarnish my reputation as a driver by taking your money and making
>>>> myself a millioniaire.  I'll go struggle in some other series . . ."

>>>So what you are saying is that IRL drivers are just collecting money at
>Indy
>>>because 99% of them dont have the talent to compete in a "real" series??
>>>"Ill stay in the IRL so I can compete and make money because I dont have
>>>enough talent to run in CART and its top notch talent."  ???

>>No, that's what YOU'RE saying.  Don't put words in my mouth.  I'm the
>>one who thinks the IRL *is* a "real" prestigious series with top notch
>>talent, remember?

>>>> If a first-place prize of over a million dollars, and a total purse in
>>>> excess of 8 million isn't "prestigious," then I don't know what is.

>>>Scott Goodyear is leading the points after 2 races and has earned
>$217,650.
>>>An avg of $108,825 per race in IRL.

>>>I dont have any CART statistics handy.

>>I can't tell you how good it makes me feel to know that you follow the
>>IRL *that* closely -- I couldn't have come up with those figures off
>>the top of my head.  Doesn't this illustrate to you the inherent
>>wrongness with your overall view of this whole issue?  The IRL is a
>>series that you seem to loath, and yet you follow it closely enough
>>that you are able to retain more useless, esoteric information about
>>that series than an avowed, *** IRL fan?  Seek help, man, seek
>>help.  If you like something, watch it, follow it, devour it if you
>>will, but if you don't like something, then find better things to do
>>with your time.  Take a walk, spend time with your loved ones, but
>>don't waste another second of your life following the IRL, worrying
>>about the state of the Indianapolis 500, or getting all twisted up
>>with negativity in general.  Geez -- racing is SUPPPOSED to be
>>entertainment.

>>>> Speaking of prestigious, could you tell me, by chance, how much
>>>> Montoya's earned for any of his past 3 victories?  I'm not questioning
>>>> his talent here, mind you -- he's a DEFINITE talent -- but I'd like to
>>>> put a dollar figure on this issue of "prestige," just for the record.

>>>Again.. you are equating "prestige" to dollars when i was arguing just the
>>>opposite.  You need to compete against top talent for it to be
>prestigeous.
>>>The IRL and the Indy 500 arent even close.

>>Again, the issue of "top talent" is purely based on individual
>>opinion.  Alex Zanaradi isn't competing against Dale Earnhardt or Jeff
>>Gordon, so he isn't (and hasn't) competed against the top talent,
>>which makes him second-rate . . . gimme a break!  We're almost down to
>>the "my driver is better than your driver" level here.  I feel an
>>uncontrollable urge to say, "Oh yeah?  Well neener-neener . . ."

>>>--
>>>Scott B. Husted
>>>PA-Scott on TEN
>>>http://www.racesimcentral.net/~sbhusted
>>>ICQ# 4395450

> > >I say Billy Boat should be a hydroplane racer.  Same with Lake Speed... :-)

> > LOL!  ROTFPP!  Which reminds me, what about*** Trickle?? <G>

> "Dick Trickle" sounds like some sort of symptom for an obviously
> unpleasant desease.

> Andre Ming

> >>Tony Stewart turned a lap of 226.683 mph in practice on Wednesday in
> >>one of the IRL's "slow" and "inferior" machines.  This is over 3 mph
> >>faster than last year's pole speed of 223.503, set by Billy Boat
> >>(funny name, fast driver).  The all-time record lap at Indy is 236.986

> >I say Billy Boat should be a hydroplane racer.  Same with Lake Speed... :-)

> LOL!  ROTFPP!  Which reminds me, what about*** Trickle?? <G>

> > > LOL!  ROTFPP!  Which reminds me, what about*** Trickle?? <G>

> > I assume you made that one up!

> It's not made up.  He's a NASCAR Winston Cup driver.