rec.autos.simulators

Then i do some laps and save the replay and load it into GPL
replay-analyzer, and take
a look at the traction-circle, and tell it to show 1.0 1.5 2.0g circles, and
what do you see?
Well, the car pulls around 1.8g in some corners, and 1.5-2g in braking, and
only about 0.5g
in acceleration.

If this GPL Replay-analyzer is accurate in traction, then there is something
wrong in the physics.
Tires that last for 3races shouldnt be able to get a car pulling 1.8g's.
Its a shame that GPL was probably rushed since it should have had tire-wear
and then we shouldnt
probably see these crazy figures?

But my biggest guess is that i read something wrong? :D anyone else noticed
this?

The tires were NOT that hard; that's a common misconception.

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Dan Belcher
Webmaster,
http://www.gplworld.racesim.net/simcrash

AFAIK the '67 tyres lasted one race, in the early sixties (1.5 l formula)
they lasted several weekends.

Bye,
Leo

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tire-wear

Heheheheh complaining about a four year old game being rushed.  The fact
that we are still playing it surely suggests that it was not rushed.
By now it really doesnt matter how close to a racing car simulation it is.
GPL has become a sport in its own right.

Todd.

Well, first of all, thanks for the answers.
I saw some footage from Monza 1962 and those tires looked terrible after the
race, so i think we can say that the "lasted for 3 races" rumour isnt true
at all.

Second, about it being rushed, well i thought so, since the commercial about
GPL said it would include tirewear, and wheater, but the final product
didnt.

Like F1 2001 was rushed, no "marshalls" until the 2nd patch, or FF.

/ Andreas - waiting for LeMans legends 1967 ;)

They worked for what, three years on GPL? Not everything they planned
to include made it into GPL, but don't ya dare compare GPL to the
state in which F1 2001 was delivered..

Andre

I've read interviews with Lotus employees which also contradicted this old
gem.  They lasted the whole race, maybe even the whole weekend, but not
several races.

--

Imho, GPL would never had become a sport in its own right if not for
the fact that it is reasonably close to a racing car simulation :-)

I probably would drop GPL really fast if something clearly better
showed up. But I like the old style open wheels racing (partly
becuase the fact that everything happens slower compared to e.g.
modern f1 which makes it much more suitable for a pc simulation),
so I'm quite sure f1-2007 however good it is still won't replace
GPL for me.

      _
Mats Lofkvist

But I like the old style open wheels racing (partly

Totally agree with this - I think the (relatively) low power and lack of
downforce make for much better pc racing. IMO a Barber Dodge / Formula Ford
sim would be the ideal online race category.

   There is a F1 2000 mod in the works for Nascar Heat.  That would pretty
much meet the low power high grip formula.
dave henrie

The truth of the matter is that GPL is prbably one of the most flawed and
unrealistic physics model of an actual car you can get without going the
"Johnny Herbert GP" route.
Its an impression of what a car with lots of power and little grip could be
like.
The physics model reality in that it *could* model the physics of a 1967 GP
car fairly accuratly using the same engine but it doesn't.
The cars are total fantasy.

The only reason people feel it to be realistic is because it is hard as
opposed to arcades which are easy. This is one thing I've alays wondered
about GPL.
It models the movement of a high-ish power, low grip car well but it doesn't
model a 1967 F1 car, not by a long shot.

It basically matches most peoles impressions of what it must feel like to
drvie one of these caers but it' not based on any data or anything at all.

  Whether they were pros, and were not, pc limitations aside, etc. I have a
very hard time believing the actual cars were that hard to drive.  Yes, I'm
aware of the deaths, etc. that occured, but it seems most of those were
caused by mechanical problems that led to a wreck.

  All IMO of course, so save the flames everyone........I'm not preaching
heresy, just an opinion<G>

-John