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RASCAR: Quality of Racing

Brian Oste

RASCAR: Quality of Racing

by Brian Oste » Wed, 30 Jul 2003 08:53:02

Agreed.  Leave the non-yellow races for papy pickup racing.

Brian Oster

Brian Oste

RASCAR: Quality of Racing

by Brian Oste » Wed, 30 Jul 2003 09:05:50

Yup, I think Tim is right.  It might be a good idea in theory but God
help the guy that has to referee the next Bristol or Martinsville
race.  You probably would need at least 2 guys to handle it.

If we do it though I volunteer for Infinity and Homestead.  I hate
<sniff, sniff> to miss those races, but I will do it for the good of
RASCAR if that what it takes.

Brian Oster



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Ed Solhei

RASCAR: Quality of Racing

by Ed Solhei » Wed, 30 Jul 2003 09:25:54

"John Simmons" said:

What is so artificial about a no racing back to yellows rule?

There are literally 100's of leagues thats been using this rule. I cannot
see any reason why this should cause so many problems in RASCAR.
In fact I wouldnt be supprised if there's more leagues out there that
prohibit racing back to the line - than there are those that allow it.  If
you want people to slow down during cautions - this rule is a *must*.
Drivers wont slow down as long as there's a good chance they'll loose
posistions 'cause some other driver just floors it (or just dont see what's
going on and driver faster)

This has happend to me several times this season and it pisses me off every
time it happends - Seery being the last one to put me down a posistion at
Pocono.  Infact this was indirectly the reason why I blew my engine at
Daytona...  Larry passed be down the BS after the yellow and that pissed me
off.. so when he slowed down out of 4 I wanted to repass him...  and that's
when I shifted down to 2nd by error and blew the engine. So much for having
a race-plan... :-/

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Ed Solhei

RASCAR: Quality of Racing

by Ed Solhei » Wed, 30 Jul 2003 09:27:04

Try again John.. :-)



Ed Solhei

RASCAR: Quality of Racing

by Ed Solhei » Wed, 30 Jul 2003 09:48:21

"Brian Oster" said:

If you don't follow the rules - you're out. End of story.
[Now before some smart ass reply come's up... Use your head dammit! Of
course there are ways to add warnings or other penalties before a one get's
kicked out - of the race and/or of the invite list [read: RASCAR].

OH FOR ***S SAKE - USE YOUR HEAD!
There are, ofcourse, situations and times where rules must be broken and
rule-books thrown aside.

If the guy infront of you spin or***up badly on a restart - you pass
him.
If you pass someone in avoidance under yellow - you let the guy re-pass you
either before you take the yellow, under the caution (in the pits) or after
the green if there problems. (You can be damned sure *he'll* let you know!
:-))

There's 1000's of leagues that successfully run their own rules out there,
so why should this be such a big problem for RASCAR?

What will make people follow them? If they wanna be in RASCAR (or any other
league for that matter) they will have to follow the rules or they'll
history before you can say "Bobs your uncle"!

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Jan Verschuere

RASCAR: Quality of Racing

by Jan Verschuere » Wed, 30 Jul 2003 09:52:02

No way... one of the major problems, IMO, is having faster drivers forced to
come up through the field and trying to make gains when it's the easiest and
most dangerous, i.e. on or shortly after restarts.

Jan.
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Eldre

RASCAR: Quality of Racing

by Eldre » Wed, 30 Jul 2003 10:24:24



>Those who get punted often could have done something to avoid the accident
>as well, or at least to avoid getting tangled up in it. This is one of the
>things I've learnt during all those years of online racing.

I disagree.  Most of the time that someone gets punted, their only crime was
being slower than the guy behind them.  I used to run into that all the time in
GPL races.  I qualify at the back, a bunch of cars fall off in the first couple
of corners, and I pass them.  Then I have to dodge as they rush back through
the field, pissed of at anyone who DARES get in their way.  Never mind the fact
that *they're* the ones who screwed up in the first place.  It happened to me
time and time again, simply because I keep it on the track.  My only
alternative would be to drive off the track as the catch up, so they wouldn't
be tempted to run me over to teach me a lesson.  Unfortunately, that just
rewards screwup behavior.

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by Eldre » Wed, 30 Jul 2003 10:24:24


writes:

That just benefits the people near the front more.  Because if a wreck happens
between two cars fighting for 6th, the top 5 cars aren't even affected by it.
Those of us constantly stuck near the back have to dodge shit created as the
mid-pack guys trip over each other.  The leaders motor on, blissfully unaware,
with LPI ratings intact...
Statistics come into play here.  Say there are 10 crashes in every race.  If I
have a 90% avoidance rate, I'm still getting involved in one wreck every race.
If *every* wreck happens in front of you, you're gonna get caught in some of
them.  If they all happen behind you, why would that driver care?  That just
eliminates more competition...

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Bamada

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by Bamada » Wed, 30 Jul 2003 10:53:55

Mitch you child.....My 30th is next month. Yeppers....teeth are in the cleaners
now :)
Dan

John Simmon

RASCAR: Quality of Racing

by John Simmon » Wed, 30 Jul 2003 11:31:34



The whole point is to make them do what they normally don't have to
do - live in the back for a few laps, and give someone else a chance
to win.  In IGPS, we had a couple of times where the previous weeks
winner started in the back and still won the race.

Bruce Kennewel

RASCAR: Quality of Racing

by Bruce Kennewel » Wed, 30 Jul 2003 11:41:48

Geeez, Kyle....that credo appears to have been thrown out the window after
the ***that was posted here after Pocono! :)

Bruce.

Eldre

RASCAR: Quality of Racing

by Eldre » Wed, 30 Jul 2003 11:44:25


writes:

>Try again John.. :-)



>> Here's a version of the old igps rules, hastily massaged as an
>> example of what I was talking about.

I think he enjoyed that massage a bit too much...<g>

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by Eldre » Wed, 30 Jul 2003 11:44:28


writes:

I don't like those either.  I've been involved in wrecks 3 weeks in a row
before - none of them of my own doing.  To get crashed out of a race is bad
enough.  But then to get banned from the next one because of it seems over the
top.

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Eldre

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by Eldre » Wed, 30 Jul 2003 11:44:25



>> Stockcar racing is a *very* different game tho - with close door to door
>> racing at times. I do not think a rule for warping would be fair -
>> especially to those who got "shaky" connections...

>Well, the warping is part of our problem. If people are warping or
>passing a warping car, they shouldn't be door-to-door, should they?

Then when the hell do you pass?  A lot of these tracks are pretty much
two-groove tracks in the turns.  And most of them don't have straights long
enough to complete a pass before the turn.  Passing is going to require side-by
side racing in at least ONE turn in that situation.

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by Eldre » Wed, 30 Jul 2003 11:44:25



>You know I haven't really ever had any random damage either.  You know
>how after the command to start engines is given everyone likes to do
>an top fuel dragster burn out?

I honestly don't understand that habit that some have.  No sense in it that *I*
can see...  I don't do it either, and I don't think I've ever had any random
damage.

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