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RASCAR: Quality of Racing

Gerald Moo

RASCAR: Quality of Racing

by Gerald Moo » Tue, 29 Jul 2003 22:42:53


> A race steward - someone that sits and watches the race without
> racing, and that awards a one-lap penalty to anyone that wrecks or
> spins on a restart (maybe even a lap for every car that is involved
> as well), and that black flags anyone for chatting beyond the auto-
> chat keys.  The race steward's word will be final.

Aside from having a remote control mechanical arm to *** slap folks
with, this is probably the best thing you can do to help keep people
straight.  There used to be some public servers that I ran in N4 that
always had an admin or two watching over things, booting people who
caused problems, etc.  It worked well.  They rotated the admin every
race or so.

Enforced practice is another way, but takes more time obviously, and
someone who is willing to steward that as well...  The idea is to
watch how someone does during the practice session and if they are not
up-to-snuff, then they are invited to leave before the race begins.
The trick is you never tell the person when they will be under the
scope.  This ensures that the racers pretty much have to practice a
majority of the session in a serious way (more seat time is GOOD)...
if they go off to take a phone call, or decide that it would be fun to
blast down pit road at full speed when the admin decides it is their
turn to be scrutinized, well, too bad.

Good luck,
Gerald

Mar

RASCAR: Quality of Racing

by Mar » Tue, 29 Jul 2003 22:49:38


> What's so bad about appointing a Race Steward? Why should you think it
> sucks?

The fact that someone who would probably rather be actually racing has to do it :)

Regards,

Mark

Ed Solhei

RASCAR: Quality of Racing

by Ed Solhei » Tue, 29 Jul 2003 23:30:04

"EldredP" said:

IMHO, going to moderate damage only made things even worse as more people
would stay in the races and cause more pain...

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Gerry Aitke

RASCAR: Quality of Racing

by Gerry Aitke » Wed, 30 Jul 2003 01:13:16




>>A good idea, John.

> Not really, but it's the only thing I can think of.

>>Another good way of educating drivers is to disable yellows.

> That's an artificial rule I was talking about. Ain't gonna happen.

Not awarding point is artificial, and, IMO, encourages a careless
attitude in a few driver. It only takes a few, of course.

Gerry

Mitch_

RASCAR: Quality of Racing

by Mitch_ » Wed, 30 Jul 2003 01:13:33

John, you are seriously OCD (obsessive compulsive) about chatting yet there
are much larger issues involved.  How about respect and sportsmanship which
seem to have disappeared in this group.  Yeah everyone respects Eldred but
thats about it ;)

Your/our racing back to the yellow (even though I used to lift) also
contributes to the bad attitudes.  Thats the ROOT of my suspension
remember?.  I mean hell I slow to avoid a wreck and get passed by 5 cars.
IMO we shouldnt need a no racing to the line rule cause we should all have
the respect/sportsmanship to slow as required to be SAFE getting to the
flag.  The way it is now a yellow is nothing more than a way to gain spots.
Restarts also fall into this scenario.  If youre real slow and want to let
the faaster guys by no problem but the way it is now its all about who can
"dive pass" T1.

This lack of sportsmanship is the root of the problem and needs attention
more than any fn no chatting rule.  Shit rolls downhill Simmons :)

Mitch


Mitch_

RASCAR: Quality of Racing

by Mitch_ » Wed, 30 Jul 2003 01:16:19

I agree Ed.  I also agree we need a REASON to remain in the race even if we
have no chance at a victory.  Points system of some sort...
Gerry Aitke

RASCAR: Quality of Racing

by Gerry Aitke » Wed, 30 Jul 2003 01:17:51


>>What's so bad about appointing a Race Steward? Why should you think it
>>sucks?
>>It's done in real life and, if anyone ***es about it, just remind them
>>that it's a step closer to simulating very thing that you blokes strive for
>>in your simulations.

> NASCAR doesn't step in and say, "Rusty, you can't race this weekend.  It's your
> turn in the barrel as race steward."  No, appointing someone would not be fair,
> IMO.  It wouldn't even work on a rotating schedule, because all drivers don't
> race every week.  I'm thinking that maybe we have to make changes to make the
> races MEAN more.  That way people would have more to lose if they***up...

> Eldred

Points!

Gerry

PS. it's the way forward.

frederickso

RASCAR: Quality of Racing

by frederickso » Wed, 30 Jul 2003 01:18:05

No yellows would get rid of all of these problems, and add an incentive not
to wreck.
Gerry Aitke

RASCAR: Quality of Racing

by Gerry Aitke » Wed, 30 Jul 2003 01:19:35



>>What's so bad about appointing a Race Steward? Why should you think it
>>sucks?

> The fact that someone who would probably rather be actually racing has to do it :)

> Regards,

> Mark

Well, I bet if you asked, you could find someone who would actually LIKE
to be the steward!

Gerry

Gerry Aitke

RASCAR: Quality of Racing

by Gerry Aitke » Wed, 30 Jul 2003 01:26:47


> Are you using Realistic damage btw? We've been using this in every league I
> raced in - GPL and N2003 - it's in general beneficial to the overall self
> restraint of the drivers.

Well actually, we didn't use realistic damage in Legends, IIRC, which I
do. ;) But thinking back to Legends, this probably prove your point anyway.

Gerry

Eldre

RASCAR: Quality of Racing

by Eldre » Wed, 30 Jul 2003 01:31:29

I have considered that...

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by Eldre » Wed, 30 Jul 2003 01:33:50

If there was a points system, that would ALSO prompt more people to stay in the
races...
Low number of drivers staying compared to higher numbers of incidents.  Tough
choices.

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by Eldre » Wed, 30 Jul 2003 01:42:46

Not everyone, but I guess I'll have to live with it...

Yep, been there.  I've given up lots of spots before by slowing for caution,
and not racing back to the line.  For me, it's a little different.  I'm usually
near the back anyway, so lifting just puts me back where I would be speed-wise.
 For the faster guys, that could be killer.  So, some take a chance that they
won't get caught up in whatever clusterfunk occurs on the track, and floor it.

I still think the chatting is distracting, and excessive at times.  If we were
all on Roger Wilco, people could crack their jokes without having to stretch
for a keyboard that may not be in the most efficient location.
Of course, people could then be a lot more efficient at cussing out their
adversary, too...<g>

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by Eldre » Wed, 30 Jul 2003 01:46:00

Yeah, it's been suggested before.  But, that also adds a level of
administration that I'm not sure any of the 3 of us has time to sort out.

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frederickso

RASCAR: Quality of Racing

by frederickso » Wed, 30 Jul 2003 01:48:45


Well these are rated races so there are the Papy points


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