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RASCAR: Quality of Racing

Ed Solhei

RASCAR: Quality of Racing

by Ed Solhei » Wed, 30 Jul 2003 01:54:30

"Mitch_A" said:

Very well said Mitch.

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Ed Solhei

RASCAR: Quality of Racing

by Ed Solhei » Wed, 30 Jul 2003 01:57:38

"EldredP" said:

I've used "TeamSpeak 2" a lot while playing BF1942 clan matches - and that
worked perfectly! TS2 was also a bit better than Wilco when we tested
things.

Anyone tried it with NR2003?

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McWho

RASCAR: Quality of Racing

by McWho » Wed, 30 Jul 2003 02:02:00




> > I agree Ed.  I also agree we need a REASON to remain in the race even if
> we
> > have no chance at a victory.  Points system of some sort...

> Well these are rated races so there are the Papy points

I keep that in mind while I am racing.  LPI and rating are good reasons to
try and race clean.  I also think that a points system in RASCAR is doable
without too much work.  We already have results posted and awarding points
to finishing order and laps led should be easy enough.   Yes, I would be
willing to administer that for the group. Guidelines and the server results
would be all I need.  Perhaps the "current" leader could *win* choice of
track for off-week racing.
 I may consider taking over the forum.  I have had some experience creating
and maintaining webpages.

Sean

Mitch_

RASCAR: Quality of Racing

by Mitch_ » Wed, 30 Jul 2003 02:02:21

Do we have a RW server thats commonly used Eldred?  I have a hell of a time
getting my point across from a keyboard.  School was a long long time ago
and I wasnt a real word wiz then either <g>.  We had our 20 yr reunion
saturday as a matter of fact.

Mitch

chatting is distracting, and excessive at times.  If we were

Joachim Trens

RASCAR: Quality of Racing

by Joachim Trens » Wed, 30 Jul 2003 06:32:07

Sounds like Rascar's not an easy case :-)

Achim


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Joachim Trens

RASCAR: Quality of Racing

by Joachim Trens » Wed, 30 Jul 2003 08:13:47

Darn you gave me away <g>

Achim


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anyway.

Ed Solhei

RASCAR: Quality of Racing

by Ed Solhei » Wed, 30 Jul 2003 02:20:53

"Mitch_A" said:

Well, I've had this idea in my heads for some years now but it never became
much of it...

I wanted to setup a league or a club if you like - where the main objective
would be to have fun races and quality racing... (sound familiare?) And the
drivers would be awarded for being keeping out of troubles and for getting
the car home in one piece.

There would be a championship and a champion... but with a little twist..
Instead or rewarding speed and preformance I would reward endurace, patience
and safety.  So each driver who managed to get his car home (in one piece
too perhaps?) would be rewarded 1 single point - regardless of finishing
posistion. And thats it.

A championship ranking would be based upon points or a formula of points
allocated divided by races particeipated (or something like that).
The champion then being the one who finishes the most (or often) races.
In case of a tie in points one could look at most  races run as a secondary
decider and/or  no. of laps completed. The other could be used as a third
time tie decider too..

The point is to reward consistence and safety - not speed and ingnorace.

And yes - there would be some rules too, but no steward. There's 20+
"stewards" out there (on the track)- so I see little need for another pair
of watchful eyes.  Pluss, in event of problems - one can always look at the
replay later... There's lots of of leagues out there that race with various
sets of rules and I think very few of them run with race-stewards watching
the action. People have done this for years with little or no probles so I
cannot see why it would be so hard for RASCAR to make it work too.

Any driver who clearly have problems obeying the rules would ofcourse get
the boot - pronto.

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Gerry Aitke

RASCAR: Quality of Racing

by Gerry Aitke » Wed, 30 Jul 2003 02:22:42


>>Points!

>>Gerry

>>PS. it's the way forward.

> Yeah, it's been suggested before.  But, that also adds a level of
> administration that I'm not sure any of the 3 of us has time to sort out.

> Eldred

Does replay analyzer have a point awarding mode yet?

Gerry

Ed Solhei

RASCAR: Quality of Racing

by Ed Solhei » Wed, 30 Jul 2003 02:23:26

"frederickson" said:

not to wreck.

Fred,

Lay back, close your eyes, think of a race without cautions and then
imagine..    Bristol!

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Ed Solhei

RASCAR: Quality of Racing

by Ed Solhei » Wed, 30 Jul 2003 02:24:36



See replay to Mitch's post Eldred..

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Brian Oste

RASCAR: Quality of Racing

by Brian Oste » Wed, 30 Jul 2003 02:39:56

I really don't want a bunch of extra stupid rules for restarts
either... I don't think they would work anyway.

The race steward or race official is not a bad idea John, although it
puts a TON of pressure on this person.  Plus, if you are watching
replays from a client, you might not always have the drivers in
question in your replay.  This person would have too make some pretty
snappy judgement calls w/ very little time to do it.  Plus look at all
the debate that goes on anyway.  What happens when someone gets loose,
drifts up the track but saves it, but causes the guy behind him to
check up a little and the guy behind him punts him... who is a fault
then (Chicago anyone).

I don't like the idea of black-flagging someone for talking under the
yellow, but then again it doesn't bother me like it bothers you.

Not trying to totally dismiss the idea, I think it has some merit.

What I would almost like to see instead of a 1 lap penalty for
violators is an EOLL penalty... anyone know if you can force this type
of penalty in the admin console?  This would accomplish 2 things:
penalize the guy for a mistake and get him out of the pack.

Brian Oster


>I have no ideas how to improve the quality of racing or everyone's
>level of awareness on the track beyond the following, and I don't
>like the idea. Beyond imposing artificial 9and stupid) rules about
>when you can/can't pass, or going to single-file restarts, this is
>the only thing I can think of, and it admittedly sucks (especially
>for the guy I'm about to describe).

>A race steward - someone that sits and watches the race without
>racing, and that awards a one-lap penalty to anyone that wrecks or
>spins on a restart (maybe even a lap for every car that is involved
>as well), and that black flags anyone for chatting beyond the auto-
>chat keys.  The race steward's word will be final.

>I think that might prompt people into driving better, especially on
>restarts. We're not racing for points, so something else has to be
>done to jerk people back into line.

>I don't like the idea because that means someone isn't going to be
>able to race.  However, if the restarts don't improve radically, I
>will fill in as the race stward for the first few races, and because
>I'll be babysitting instead of racing, I can almost guarantee I'll be
>in a bad mood.

>If you guys don't want me to consider this action any further, the
>restarts had better start improving.  I haven't ironed out all the
>details, but if I feel the need to implement this, I will.

Brian Oste

RASCAR: Quality of Racing

by Brian Oste » Wed, 30 Jul 2003 02:40:49




>> A good idea, John.

>Not really, but it's the only thing I can think of.

>> Another good way of educating drivers is to disable yellows.

>That's an artificial rule I was talking about. Ain't gonna happen.

Plus it really penalizes the guy that gets punted, not necessarily the
guy who is at fault.

Brian Oster

Brian Oste

RASCAR: Quality of Racing

by Brian Oste » Wed, 30 Jul 2003 02:43:48


>Again, our goal isn't to have more cautions, it's to have fewer.  
>Cautions cannot be completely eliminated, but running 50% of a race
>under caution is bullshit.

Sorta OT here, but it would be cool if there was a way to force the
sim to do a *** yellow that way we would only have 2 laps instead
of 3.

Brian Oster

Brian Oste

RASCAR: Quality of Racing

by Brian Oste » Wed, 30 Jul 2003 02:45:19

But have we been having incidents while we cruise around under yellow?
I don't seem to remember them.  I say if a driver can drive under
yellow and type... so be it.  I can't do it.

Brian Oster


Brian Oste

RASCAR: Quality of Racing

by Brian Oste » Wed, 30 Jul 2003 02:48:42


Boy I sure second that point Eldred.  I have made laps up on numerous
occasions that just would not have happend with single file.  Case in
point... Pocono, I disco'd and was one lap down... first caution I got
it back.

Brian Oster


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