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by **Ed Solhei** » Thu, 31 Jul 2003 08:50:28

"John Simmons" said:

And how many people chat during *racing* 99.9% of everything being said
during a race is said while behind a pacecar or after some guy spun off -
whilch probably triggered a yellow in the first place.
Get rid of the yellows - and you'll get rid of the b.s. chatting.

Couldn't it very well be that it was the combination of driver's that
provided the high quality?

You must also remember that a lot of the drivers in RASCAR are
"first-times" - while most of the drivers that got into GPL were long time
sim-races that put alot of time into GPL. And again, GPL and road-course
racing is very different from stockcars on ovals.

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by **Eldre** » Thu, 31 Jul 2003 10:52:14

>That's all possible, but the main point is vehicle damage during races
>... people currently have little incentive not to crash.

My primary incentive is that I don't want to***up anyone else's race.

I've even driven off the track in GPL to avoid punting someone. I've also done
it in NASCAR, but the damage to my car is more severe. And you know what?
I'll keep doing it. I would *hate* to think that I messed up someone else's
day because *I* f'd up. I'd rather take myself out of the race first. I would
hope that should be MOST drivers' thinking.
Maybe I'm just the only one who thinks that way... :-(

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by **Eldre** » Thu, 31 Jul 2003 10:52:14

>I think Rascar is somewhere in between the friendly club night get together
>and a proper league. That is where the potential problem lies. The level of
>seriousness appears to have outgrown its club night concept. In which case
>you have to recognise it and set some serious rules. Evolving them from
>race to race will just frustrate.

Agreed. That's why I'm *seriously* considering making it more 'official'.
That way people can see what they have to do, and make their decision. Yeah,
we may lose a few drivers, and I'd truly be sorry to see them go, but clearly
*something* has to change. This ***is ridiculous. It might be more
motivating for me if I was actually in contention. But to drive around at the
back of the field all day, THEN listen to people arguing all week? Where's the
incentive for me? It just isn't worth it... :-(

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by **Joe6** » Thu, 31 Jul 2003 14:42:14

>I've even driven off the track in GPL to avoid punting someone. I've also done
>it in NASCAR, but the damage to my car is more severe. And you know what?
>I'll keep doing it. I would *hate* to think that I messed up someone else's
>day because *I* f'd up. I'd rather take myself out of the race first. I would
>hope that should be MOST drivers' thinking.
>Maybe I'm just the only one who thinks that way... :-(

I think it probably is most driver's thinking, amoung serious races.
The question is, what is "most"? If it's 90%, you'll get a fairly
clean race. If it's only 50%, it'll be a disaster.

Joe62

by **Ruud Dingeman** » Thu, 31 Jul 2003 14:54:25

> kept spinning, and could barely complete a lap. Someone on r.a.s. suggested
> the <fast> setup. I was able to drive that much better. When I got N2k3, I
> had the same problem with the <easy> setup. I tried the <fast>, and it was
> much better.

See? Even after all I've read on r.a.s. the past year, I just *knew*
there'd come a day when Eldred wouldn't know how to be slow anymore! ;)

Regards, Rudy
(GPLRank -1.6)

by **Andrew MacPhers** » Thu, 31 Jul 2003 15:31:00

> I hate the FAST setup in N2003

To satisfy my curiosity I tried Pocono yesterday with the fast setup...
and wasn't surprised there were so many yellows. That setup seems very
tail-happy under anything but the gentlest braking.

Of course the real question may be what was I doing braking, but that's
why I prefer to sit in the stands ;-)

Andrew McP

by **Mark Daviso** » Thu, 31 Jul 2003 16:32:04

:)

Mark

by **Joachim Trens** » Thu, 31 Jul 2003 16:33:39

Very well said John.

Achim

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by **Brian Oste** » Thu, 31 Jul 2003 22:32:26

On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 01:50:28 +0200, "Ed Solheim"

>Couldn't it very well be that it was the combination of driver's that
>provided the high quality?

>You must also remember that a lot of the drivers in RASCAR are
>"first-times" - while most of the drivers that got into GPL were long time
>sim-races that put alot of time into GPL. And again, GPL and road-course
>racing is very different from stockcars on ovals.

I think that is a big part of the problem. Not only are there some
drivers who are maybe just starting to race on-line, we have not raced
with them enough to get used to their racing style so that we know
what to expect.

BTW, I do think that the number of really good drivers has
significantly increased over last year and there are a lot more
drivers that can run well and win. A lot of guys that finished
mid-pack last year are now running up front contending for the win.

Brian Oster

by **Mar** » Fri, 01 Aug 2003 00:30:01

> >That's all possible, but the main point is vehicle damage during races
> >... people currently have little incentive not to crash.

> My primary incentive is that I don't want to***up anyone else's race.

> I've even driven off the track in GPL to avoid punting someone. I've also done
> it in NASCAR, but the damage to my car is more severe. And you know what?
> I'll keep doing it. I would *hate* to think that I messed up someone else's
> day because *I* f'd up. I'd rather take myself out of the race first. I would
> hope that should be MOST drivers' thinking.
> Maybe I'm just the only one who thinks that way... :-(

I know where you're coming from. I am just *mortified* if I mess up
and ruin someone elses run.

Are we just old-fashioned or what? Little things like respect and
treating others as you would have them treat you. Dated concepts in
this anonymous virtual society?

By the same token, I get irked to almost John Simmons levels (:op)
when the courtesy isn't returned. That's my failing.

Real world hurt and cost? On Sunday, this is what happenned to "our"
driver (see the rear wing). A privateer on a very restricted budget
had a tyre go down on him...

http://www.racesimcentral.net/

Regards,

Mark
http://www.racesimcentral.net/

by **Joachim Trens** » Fri, 01 Aug 2003 00:37:10

Old fashioned... well, at least Larry doesn't seem to believe guys like you
exist...

Achim

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> > My primary incentive is that I don't want to***up anyone else's
race.

> > I've even driven off the track in GPL to avoid punting someone. I've
also done
> > ...
> > ...I would *hate* to think that I messed up someone else's
> > day because *I* f'd up. I'd rather take myself out of the race first.
I would
> > hope that should be MOST drivers' thinking.
> > Maybe I'm just the only one who thinks that way... :-(

> I know where you're coming from. I am just *mortified* if I mess up
> and ruin someone elses run.

> Are we just old-fashioned or what? Little things like respect and
> treating others as you would have them treat you. Dated concepts in
> this anonymous virtual society?

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by **Eldre** » Fri, 01 Aug 2003 01:42:41

We're also harmed by the medium we run on. Throwing the car off the track in
GPL only affects that one driver. Doing the same thing in N2K3 causes a
caution...

Eldred
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