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Racer v0.5.0 beta 5 released.

Ashley McConnel

Racer v0.5.0 beta 5 released.

by Ashley McConnel » Sun, 11 Aug 2002 19:29:58



Hi Ruud,

First time I tried racer in a while.  Absolutely brilliant going around
Carlswood in an Evo.  I think I actually am using the pacekja values from my
sim (as I was using the pacekja viewer to get some nice curves - it happened
to be the evo).  It felt really good indeed.  Keep up the good work.  Looks
like I am going to have to get a parhelia some time soon, I cant be left
behind :D

Glad racer is getting some of the recognition it deserves :)

All the best,
Ash
http://www.racesimcentral.net/

Uwe Schuerkam

Racer v0.5.0 beta 5 released.

by Uwe Schuerkam » Sun, 11 Aug 2002 19:53:36


source <yada yada> to compile for linux? yada yada? ;-)

cheers,

Uwe

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Uwe Schuerkam

Racer v0.5.0 beta 5 released.

by Uwe Schuerkam » Sun, 11 Aug 2002 19:52:34


> How about a release that gets it working with a TSW2?  Yes, I saw the option
> there for the wheel.  Worthless.  Any TSW2 owner out there get it working
> with another wheel choice.  I tried a couple but no go.

works fine with my tsw2 in split axis mode. Rather than crying
"worthless" for a bit of software you can download for free, how
about describing your problem in more detail? what doesn't
work? steering? throttle? brake? buttons?

Some people...

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Carl Ribbegaard

Racer v0.5.0 beta 5 released.

by Carl Ribbegaard » Sun, 11 Aug 2002 21:07:10

Is it just me, or does the rear of the car very easily loose grip while
trailbraking?
I've used Jim Seamus "secret" car-ini along with the Nordshleife and I've
been easily trailbraking into powerslides.

/Carl



Kevin Web

Racer v0.5.0 beta 5 released.

by Kevin Web » Sun, 11 Aug 2002 21:34:24

Crying?  riiiiiiigggghhhhhttttt.    Nothing to describe.  No response
period.  Wheel, pedals, shifter.    In the controller test utility axis data
shows wheel and pedal action but nothing in the game.  I did try some
different controller choices and got as far as being able to back up.  With
my bracke. hehe  That's about it.  No problem, it would only be for goofs
anyway. I cycled through the views and didn't see a***pit mode.  Is there
a way to get inside the car?  As a game or simulation, it truely would be a
worthless endeavor without it from my perspective.




> > How about a release that gets it working with a TSW2?  Yes, I saw the
option
> > there for the wheel.  Worthless.  Any TSW2 owner out there get it
working
> > with another wheel choice.  I tried a couple but no go.

> works fine with my tsw2 in split axis mode. Rather than crying
> "worthless" for a bit of software you can download for free, how
> about describing your problem in more detail? what doesn't
> work? steering? throttle? brake? buttons?

> Some people...

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Carl Ribbegaard

Racer v0.5.0 beta 5 released.

by Carl Ribbegaard » Mon, 12 Aug 2002 01:01:35

Racer is probably not your kind of sim :-)

Anyway, if you still want to try it, are you sure your wheel is using the
correct ID in the INI? If you have a joystick too it might be on the
"normal" id, and your wheel on another?

...or is it so that you didn't write your own ini?

/Carl


> Crying?  riiiiiiigggghhhhhttttt.    Nothing to describe.  No response
> period.  Wheel, pedals, shifter.    In the controller test utility axis
data
> shows wheel and pedal action but nothing in the game.  I did try some
> different controller choices and got as far as being able to back up.
With
> my bracke. hehe  That's about it.  No problem, it would only be for goofs
> anyway. I cycled through the views and didn't see a***pit mode.  Is
there
> a way to get inside the car?  As a game or simulation, it truely would be
a
> worthless endeavor without it from my perspective.





> > > How about a release that gets it working with a TSW2?  Yes, I saw the
> option
> > > there for the wheel.  Worthless.  Any TSW2 owner out there get it
> working
> > > with another wheel choice.  I tried a couple but no go.

> > works fine with my tsw2 in split axis mode. Rather than crying
> > "worthless" for a bit of software you can download for free, how
> > about describing your problem in more detail? what doesn't
> > work? steering? throttle? brake? buttons?

> > Some people...

> > --
> > mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox)
> > Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> > Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E)
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Dan Belch

Racer v0.5.0 beta 5 released.

by Dan Belch » Mon, 12 Aug 2002 02:07:27

Trailbraking reduces weight on the rear tires.  Makes sense to me that it
should kick the rear out if you push it into the corner too hard.

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Alex Smit

Racer v0.5.0 beta 5 released.

by Alex Smit » Mon, 12 Aug 2002 05:07:46

Its certainly not piss-poor, but sure there are problems. Just give it a
chance

It doesn't.

Alex Smit

Racer v0.5.0 beta 5 released.

by Alex Smit » Mon, 12 Aug 2002 06:52:51


> On Sat, 10 Aug 2002 20:07:46 +0000 (UTC), "Alex Smith"

> >> Also, why does it -demand- to have a live internet connection
> >> before it will run AT ALL?

> >It doesn't.

> On my copy, which I downloaded today, when you click
> the menu option to race, it tries to acquire an internet
> connection. Zone Alarm caught it. If you don't allow it to
> connect, it simply returns to the main menu, and doesn't
> allow you to race.

> Period.

Bizarre, i've never had that happen to me. Maybe Ruud will reply?
Carl Ribbegaard

Racer v0.5.0 beta 5 released.

by Carl Ribbegaard » Mon, 12 Aug 2002 07:56:40

It might be doing a broadcast on the lan or something?
It includes lan multiplayer :-)

Anyway, the physics is actually very good.
The thing is that it uses a very advanced formula from someone named Pacejka
to calculate the tire-grip, which requires a lot of constants as input. This
is the same formula and values real tire makers use to measure performance
of a tire.
The problem for us right now is that getting good values for the pacejka is
difficult ;-)
The tiremakers keep their data secret.
There is a guy named Jim Seamus, which is a guru at creating good ini's for
the racer cars.
I'm simply spoiled by his last masterpiece I guess...

As for the spinning on the nose thing,
Racer isn't that polished yet, that it deals with extreme values in a nicely
fashion.
If a formula gets an extreme input the result might sometimes be ***.
This is usually not a big problem, just as long as you dont "fall of the
track" or hit a wall very hard.

I really like racer. I just thought that the car was a little to snappy in
it's handling.

Probably an ini-thing.

Beers and cheers,
Carl

(It's quite late here, so please bare with my spelling and grammar...)




> > On Sat, 10 Aug 2002 20:07:46 +0000 (UTC), "Alex Smith"

> > >> Also, why does it -demand- to have a live internet connection
> > >> before it will run AT ALL?

> > >It doesn't.

> > On my copy, which I downloaded today, when you click
> > the menu option to race, it tries to acquire an internet
> > connection. Zone Alarm caught it. If you don't allow it to
> > connect, it simply returns to the main menu, and doesn't
> > allow you to race.

> > Period.

> Bizarre, i've never had that happen to me. Maybe Ruud will reply?

Ashley McConnel

Racer v0.5.0 beta 5 released.

by Ashley McConnel » Mon, 12 Aug 2002 08:04:42


> Crying?  riiiiiiigggghhhhhttttt.    Nothing to describe.  No response
> period.  Wheel, pedals, shifter.    In the controller test utility axis
data
> shows wheel and pedal action but nothing in the game.  I did try some
> different controller choices and got as far as being able to back up.
With
> my bracke. hehe  That's about it.  No problem, it would only be for goofs
> anyway. I cycled through the views and didn't see a***pit mode.  Is
there
> a way to get inside the car?  As a game or simulation, it truely would be
a
> worthless endeavor without it from my perspective.



I think you need to go back to NFS, or realise that Ruud has made a cracking
sim ON HIS OWN.  If you took 5 mins to RTFM you would work it out.  Try
http://www.racesimcentral.net/

Idiot

Doug Elliso

Racer v0.5.0 beta 5 released.

by Doug Elliso » Mon, 12 Aug 2002 08:11:49

Evidently nothing.  The Racer physics model is superb - as is Ruud's efforts
to make it so.

Outside of Papy - this title has the best phsyics out there.

Sure - they're buggy - but they're also free, developed by one guy on his
own.

If you REALLY feel like that - you'd best go back to your playstation

DOug

Kevin Web

Racer v0.5.0 beta 5 released.

by Kevin Web » Mon, 12 Aug 2002 09:27:36

I think your missing the point Ashley.  It's not that big a deal.  Relax
bra.




> > Crying?  riiiiiiigggghhhhhttttt.    Nothing to describe.  No response
> > period.  Wheel, pedals, shifter.    In the controller test utility axis
> data
> > shows wheel and pedal action but nothing in the game.  I did try some
> > different controller choices and got as far as being able to back up.
> With
> > my bracke. hehe  That's about it.  No problem, it would only be for
goofs
> > anyway. I cycled through the views and didn't see a***pit mode.  Is
> there
> > a way to get inside the car?  As a game or simulation, it truely would
be
> a
> > worthless endeavor without it from my perspective.


> I think you need to go back to NFS, or realise that Ruud has made a
cracking
> sim ON HIS OWN.  If you took 5 mins to RTFM you would work it out.  Try
> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> Idiot

Kevin Web

Racer v0.5.0 beta 5 released.

by Kevin Web » Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:03:27

I used an edited MS Precision ini.  I assume its working like it should
anyway.  Sure doesn't feel very good but the wheel, brake, throttle and
shifter all work anyway.





> >How about a release that gets it working with a TSW2?  Yes, I saw the
option
> >there for the wheel.  Worthless.  Any TSW2 owner out there get it working
> >with another wheel choice.  I tried a couple but no go.

> I don't have a TSW2 so it's hard to test, but you may want to try the
> tutorial on the site (http://www.racer.nl/tutorial/ctrlset.htm). And
> if you get it working, be sure to send me the file. ;-)



> >> Racer v0.5 beta 5
> >> -----------------

> >> A new beta (PC only currently) has been released. Unfortunately no
> >> change on the website, as the machine is temporarily unavailable
> >> (remotely).

> >> Get it at: http://racer.m4driving.sm/beta/rr050b5.exe
> >> The file has become somewhat bigger because of a new track/car. It's
> >> now 10.5Mb.

> Ruud van Gaal
> Free car sim: http://www.racer.nl/
> Pencil art  : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/

Kevin Web

Racer v0.5.0 beta 5 released.

by Kevin Web » Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:04:59

Such a pleasant fellow there Ashley.  Got the wheel working withour RTFM.
lol.   Unimpressed.




> > Crying?  riiiiiiigggghhhhhttttt.    Nothing to describe.  No response
> > period.  Wheel, pedals, shifter.    In the controller test utility axis
> data
> > shows wheel and pedal action but nothing in the game.  I did try some
> > different controller choices and got as far as being able to back up.
> With
> > my bracke. hehe  That's about it.  No problem, it would only be for
goofs
> > anyway. I cycled through the views and didn't see a***pit mode.  Is
> there
> > a way to get inside the car?  As a game or simulation, it truely would
be
> a
> > worthless endeavor without it from my perspective.


> I think you need to go back to NFS, or realise that Ruud has made a
cracking
> sim ON HIS OWN.  If you took 5 mins to RTFM you would work it out.  Try
> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> Idiot


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