Racer v0.5.0 beta 5 released.

by **Kevin Web** » Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:10:20

You guys are like a fan club for this guy. Kudos for one person developing
a game but when someone disagrees with an aspect of the game or the game
overall you digress to put downs and flames. I agree with the guy. The
physics model, at least with the default car and track are poor. N2002
player and perhaps I am spoiled, not to mention I have never driven a
ferarri but I can't imagine it would respond like a toy car. Opinions vary
man. damn.

by **Ashley McConnel** » Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:51:38

Think you'll find I am an entirely reasonable fellow with people who are
also reasonable. You are the sort of person who would get a ferrari but
complain that that it didnt have a radio.

Its "IN DEVELOPMENT" which means you are going to have to do a little
tweaking to get it feeling right. If you simply download a decent car for
it, you'll notice the world of difference. The ferrari P4's data is a
little off IMO. I tried strats Mitsubishi Evo and had a great driving
experience. I think what ruud has done is fantastic and its just getting
better all the time. Constructive comments are welcome (I am sure), but the
tone of your posts are like a spoilt child. Your constructive comments
could help make racer better.

Try this one:-
http://stecki.m4driving.sm/cars/350z/index.html
or these
http://strat.m4driving.sm/cars.shtml

All the best,
Ash
http://www.siroccoracing.com

by **Ashley McConnel** » Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:53:58

Rrevved,

Try a few extra cars, the p4 isn't the best IMO
http://strat.m4driving.sm/cars.shtml
http://stecki.m4driving.sm/cars/350z/index.html

Ash

by **Uwe Schuerkam** » Mon, 12 Aug 2002 18:19:51

> On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 00:56:40 +0200, "Carl Ribbegaardh"

>>It might be doing a broadcast on the lan or something?
>>It includes lan multiplayer :-)

> Carl, it might, but I don't have a LAN.

There's the problem. Racer tries to bind to an IP address on
an interface so it can serve multiplayer races, that's why your
DSL is coming up, trying to provide said IP address. While
multiplayer isn't really functional in the current beta, the
code is still there.

If you have LAN, np, the IP is already there; if you haven't
and have auto-dialing set, it will dial out.

All of this has nothing to do with spyware. On Linux and most
other unices, you always have the "local" interface configured
on the IP address 127.0.0.1 (loopback, localhost), so no
dialout is necessary. Under windows of course this is a
different story.

About the fan-boy thing: You might be correct (and so is Kevin)
that some of us feel pretty strongly about the "Racer" project,
and quite a few of us have put voluntary work into it just to
see racer advance.

So, I'd rather not wander into this newsgroup calling it
"worthless" just because your TSW doesn't work out of the box,
or you might invoke some rather strong opinions and replies.[1]

Had Kevin asked for help in a slightly more polite manner, he
would have received just that; help. As it stands, how many
commercial racing sims are out there in which your steering
device (non mainstream like the TSW2 is) worked out of the box?
Papy comes to mind, Viper racing. Most of the others require
tweaking.

Cheers,

uwe

[1] Anyone remember "Rex Kramer Danger Seeker"? ;-)

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by **Alex Smit** » Mon, 12 Aug 2002 19:19:57

Why would you want someone to bite you!? Man, thats just weird!

by **Doug Elliso** » Mon, 12 Aug 2002 20:46:22

***ING RIGHT WE ARE

What good have YOU done for the community recently?

Doug

by **Doug Elliso** » Mon, 12 Aug 2002 20:56:36

> On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 00:11:49 +0100, "Doug Ellison"

> >If you REALLY feel like that - you'd best go back to your playstation

> Hi Doug.

> Bite me.

No thanks

Doug

by **Kevin Web** » Mon, 12 Aug 2002 21:06:13

What's that got to do with anything. Absolutely nothing. Straw man
argument. It's cool. You like the game. It's just a bit juvenile to throw
in your smartass "playstation" comments when someone's opinion differs from
yours. Your entitled, its a public newsgroup, but so are dissenters
entitled. What I have or havne't done is completely irrelevant to this
discussion. Have a drink man and relax. It's just a game.

> > You guys are like a fan club for this guy.

> ***ING RIGHT WE ARE

> What good have YOU done for the community recently?

> Doug

by **Doug Elliso** » Mon, 12 Aug 2002 21:07:55

When some guy says the physics are a joke, when they clearly are not - I,
rightly, get pissed of at the guys ignorance and lack of effort in giving it
a go.

Doug

by **Kevin Web** » Mon, 12 Aug 2002 21:10:16

Actually Ashley you have absolutely no ***in idea what type of person I am
based on a couple lines of text. Congratulations to Ruud for his solo work
on this game. It doesn't make it a good game based on that fact alone
however. It makes it free. That's it. Perhaps I will try some different
cars and/or tracks and I appreciate the links but I won't magically like
this game or begin to defend Ruud like a ***age fan club because it's free
and one guy wrote it alone.

> > Such a pleasant fellow there Ashley. Got the wheel working withour
RTFM.
> > lol. Unimpressed.

> Think you'll find I am an entirely reasonable fellow with people who are
> also reasonable. You are the sort of person who would get a ferrari but
> complain that that it didnt have a radio.

> Its "IN DEVELOPMENT" which means you are going to have to do a little
> tweaking to get it feeling right. If you simply download a decent car for
> it, you'll notice the world of difference. The ferrari P4's data is a
> little off IMO. I tried strats Mitsubishi Evo and had a great driving
> experience. I think what ruud has done is fantastic and its just getting
> better all the time. Constructive comments are welcome (I am sure), but
the
> tone of your posts are like a spoilt child. Your constructive comments
> could help make racer better.

> Try this one:-
> http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> or these
> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> All the best,
> Ash
> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

by **Doug Elliso** » Mon, 12 Aug 2002 21:58:35

> On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 13:07:55 +0100, "Doug Ellison"

> >When some guy says the physics are a joke, when they clearly are not - I,
> >rightly, get pissed of at the guys ignorance

> In my opinion, the physics of the P4 that I drove in Racer don't
> reflect anything close to reality. I have a right to that opinion,
> don't I Doug?

You do indeed.

You do not, however, have the right to label the whole project as a joke,
when if could have been bothered to spend 15 minutes downloading and trying
some of the other cars out there ( Quicksilver, anything from Stekki, the
McLaren F1 roadcar's quite good - check www.racer-xtreme.com if you can be
bothered) then you would realise that Racer's physics are NOT a joke, and
that, unfortunately, the P4 doesnt demonstrate them well.

If you are prepared to take the time to actually give it a chance - and
still label it ***- then that's your opinion and you're entitled to it -
however wrong a great number of people would consider that to be.

To label it ***without frankly trying - is NOT a fair thing to do. That
was my gripe with you.

Doug

by **Ashley McConnel** » Mon, 12 Aug 2002 22:03:06

I dont defend it because its free, I defend it because its good and you
obviously have absolutely no idea what your talking about and are critising
it unfairly. It's your loss.

This is my last post - continue talking ***if you like

Ash

by **Uwe Schuerkam** » Mon, 12 Aug 2002 21:58:00

> On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 11:19:51 +0200, Uwe Schuerkamp
> I'll try not to give you a 'strong opinion or reply', Uwe, but...

> Maybe you should read my post a bit more closely. I didn't say that I
> used my TSW. Actually, I haven't tried to configure it in Racer at
> all.

Relaxed on a sunday afternoon here, thank you ;-) that part was
intended For Kevin. Should have made it a bit clearer, sorry
for any confusion. That was the post that started this thread.

Cheers,

uwe

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by **Kevin Web** » Mon, 12 Aug 2002 22:31:32

Opinions vary Ashley. Adios

> > Actually Ashley you have absolutely no ***in idea what type of person I
> am
> > based on a couple lines of text. Congratulations to Ruud for his solo
> work
> > on this game. It doesn't make it a good game based on that fact alone
> > however. It makes it free. That's it. Perhaps I will try some
different
> > cars and/or tracks and I appreciate the links but I won't magically like
> > this game or begin to defend Ruud like a ***age fan club because it's
> free
> > and one guy wrote it alone.

> I dont defend it because its free, I defend it because its good and you
> obviously have absolutely no idea what your talking about and are
critising
> it unfairly. It's your loss.

> This is my last post - continue talking ***if you like

> Ash

by **Kevin Web** » Mon, 12 Aug 2002 22:54:50

Read the post Uwe. Read the post. I mentioned the option for the TSW in
the config utility. Then I said worthless. Perhaps you just didn't follow
that. I did not say the game was worthless. Not outright and no inferrence
as such either. Then I asked if any other TSW2 owner had gotten it working
and said that I did not. There was nothing impolite about that. I was
speaking about an option that was worthless to me, not the game. You guys
are a trip. The only thing impolite about this entire thread is the way the
fan club has pounced on people that disagree with the clubs opinion.
Typical, elitest usenet behavior though unfortunately. Add to that this
devotion to a video game, and an average one at that, and well...it's pretty
comical.

> > On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 00:56:40 +0200, "Carl Ribbegaardh"

> >>It might be doing a broadcast on the lan or something?
> >>It includes lan multiplayer :-)

> > Carl, it might, but I don't have a LAN.

> There's the problem. Racer tries to bind to an IP address on
> an interface so it can serve multiplayer races, that's why your
> DSL is coming up, trying to provide said IP address. While
> multiplayer isn't really functional in the current beta, the
> code is still there.

> If you have LAN, np, the IP is already there; if you haven't
> and have auto-dialing set, it will dial out.

> All of this has nothing to do with spyware. On Linux and most
> other unices, you always have the "local" interface configured
> on the IP address 127.0.0.1 (loopback, localhost), so no
> dialout is necessary. Under windows of course this is a
> different story.

> About the fan-boy thing: You might be correct (and so is Kevin)
> that some of us feel pretty strongly about the "Racer" project,
> and quite a few of us have put voluntary work into it just to
> see racer advance.

> So, I'd rather not wander into this newsgroup calling it
> "worthless" just because your TSW doesn't work out of the box,
> or you might invoke some rather strong opinions and replies.[1]

> Had Kevin asked for help in a slightly more polite manner, he
> would have received just that; help. As it stands, how many
> commercial racing sims are out there in which your steering
> device (non mainstream like the TSW2 is) worked out of the box?
> Papy comes to mind, Viper racing. Most of the others require
> tweaking.

> Cheers,

> uwe

> [1] Anyone remember "Rex Kramer Danger Seeker"? ;-)

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