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by **Carl Ribbegaard** » Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:04:13

Kevin, you are wrong ;-)

It isn't a game, and you are not the target audience.

/Carl

> What's that got to do with anything. Absolutely nothing. Straw man
> argument. It's cool. You like the game. It's just a bit juvenile to
throw
> in your smartass "playstation" comments when someone's opinion differs
from
> yours. Your entitled, its a public newsgroup, but so are dissenters
> entitled. What I have or havne't done is completely irrelevant to this
> discussion. Have a drink man and relax. It's just a game.

> > > You guys are like a fan club for this guy.

> > ***ING RIGHT WE ARE

> > What good have YOU done for the community recently?

> > Doug

by **Uwe Schuerkam** » Tue, 13 Aug 2002 01:03:40

> This is my last post - continue talking ***if you like

AOL ;-)

uwe

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by **Kevin Web** » Tue, 13 Aug 2002 02:03:20

Well it's certainly not a sim.

> Kevin, you are wrong ;-)

> It isn't a game, and you are not the target audience.

> /Carl

> > What's that got to do with anything. Absolutely nothing. Straw man
> > argument. It's cool. You like the game. It's just a bit juvenile to
> throw
> > in your smartass "playstation" comments when someone's opinion differs
> from
> > yours. Your entitled, its a public newsgroup, but so are dissenters
> > entitled. What I have or havne't done is completely irrelevant to this
> > discussion. Have a drink man and relax. It's just a game.

> > > > You guys are like a fan club for this guy.

> > > ***ING RIGHT WE ARE

> > > What good have YOU done for the community recently?

> > > Doug

by **J. Todd Wass** » Tue, 13 Aug 2002 05:18:17

Hi rrevved,

The P4 ini is not very good, it was the first one developed for Racer IIRC.
Jim Seamus made one that's a lot better and lets you really rip around quite a
bit more aggressively. Might be worth a shot for you. As for the bang-zoom
into the sky thing, that's a seperate issue from the vehicle dynamics really
(not that anyone would care ;-)).

FWIW

Todd Wasson
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Software
http://PerformanceSimulations.Com

My little car sim screenshots:
http://performancesimulations.com/scnshot4.htm

by **Carl Ribbegaard** » Tue, 13 Aug 2002 05:31:32

Has he?? Where can I find it? :-)

/Carl

by **Doug Elliso** » Tue, 13 Aug 2002 06:53:17

Is that your opinion - or a statement of fact.

In either case - I'd suggest you are VERY wrong

Doug

by **Kevin Web** » Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:28:15

I have cycled through the driving views. Is there a way to get inside the
***pit? Roof cam, hood cam etc with guages but nothing in the***pit. Is
there a***pit view? If so, please enlighten me and I would reconsider
after testing. If not, then there is no reasonable argument for Racer being
a simulation of anything. Pure arcade.

> > Well it's certainly not a sim.

> Is that your opinion - or a statement of fact.

> In either case - I'd suggest you are VERY wrong

> Doug

by **Dan Belch** » Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:43:00

Try a different car. Some have VERY immersive***pit views with full guages,
steering wheels, etc. etc. I believe the Nissan 350Z has a great***pit view
and is a good handling car. I personally find the Racer physics to be pretty
damn good, especially to be made by just one guy.

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by **J. Todd Wass** » Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:34:20

Right here:

http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~hg/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=49267

The ZIP is in the first post by Jim Seamus.

Have fun! :-)

Todd Wasson
---
Performance Simulations
Drag Racing and Top Speed Prediction
Software
http://PerformanceSimulations.Com

My little car sim screenshots:
http://performancesimulations.com/scnshot4.htm

by **Kevin Web** » Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:37:48

Great, I may try a different car. Perhaps the physics will be better in a
car other than the default Ferarri as well. One guy or a team, I don't
think that plays any role in if it's realistic or not. It is or it isn't
and IMO it isn't. I am pretty much done with that argument though. I never
really intended to be harsh towards the developer, Ruud. It is impressive
for one guy to have done the work on this solo. Doesn't it make it any more
realistic, from angle though. Anyway, I'll look at some other cars.

by **Carl Ribbegaard** » Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:04:23

That's the one I'm having the most fun with. :-)

I thought you meant that there were an "P4" ini by Jim.
This is still a non-released car right?

I'm using the ini (slightly tweaked) in the Nissan, and it works out pretty
well.

/Carl

by **J. Todd Wass** » Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:32:25

Oh, no, I didn't mean he made a P4 ini. If I understood correctly, Jim made
that to be no car in particular, just something that handled well. I haven't
tried the other ini's though. Haven't had time to download v0.5.0 beta 5 yet.

Stil though, ini's need to be tweaked to get good handling, I'm sure you agree
:-)

Todd Wasson
---
Performance Simulations
Drag Racing and Top Speed Prediction
Software
http://PerformanceSimulations.Com

My little car sim screenshots:
http://performancesimulations.com/scnshot4.htm

by **Gunnar Horrigm** » Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:59:47

> >I have cycled through the driving views. Is there a way to get inside the
> >cockpit? Roof cam, hood cam etc with guages but nothing in the***pit. Is
> >there a***pit view? If so, please enlighten me and I would reconsider
> >after testing. If not, then there is no reasonable argument for Racer being
> >a simulation of anything. Pure arcade.

> Try a different car. Some have VERY immersive***pit views with full guages,
> steering wheels, etc. etc. I believe the Nissan 350Z has a great***pit view
> and is a good handling car. I personally find the Racer physics to be pretty
> damn good, especially to be made by just one guy.

which racer car do you consider the best? maybe you even have an URL
for one? I've tried a few cars, but it seems all those have
incredibly soft suspensions.

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by **Ruud van Ga** » Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:48:26

On Sat, 10 Aug 2002 14:07:10 +0200, "Carl Ribbegaardh"

>Is it just me, or does the rear of the car very easily loose grip while
>trailbraking?

Yes, this seems to be a large bug that's supposed to be very different
from v0.4.9 and this latest version. I'm adding telemetry that
describes weight transfer, plus live braking balance (the actual
torques generated) and hopefully that could reveal why the braking
bias seems so much to the rear (handling-wise).

And apart from that, the telemetry would be cool (plan is to make an
option to add it to the replays, so you could save a replay and do
telemetry analysis later on offline).
Where's the Racer port of GPL Replay Analyzer when you need it? ;-)

Ruud van Gaal
Free car sim: http://www.racer.nl/
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