rec.autos.simulators

Jan. ;-)
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The thing is, WHY is it necessary to make it a sport worthy of the media?
It's not important.  For many it's just the capitalist attraction of money
that TV or any other kind of media would bring to the "sport".  We already
have the Internet as a form of communication to back us up, why go to
anything more?

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I think he's just afraid of me!

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And yes, hotlapping is indeed racing.  You are racing the clock.  :-)

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[...] or even hotlapping!

(-: ?Mike Grandy

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| Well Thom, I know exactly what I'm talking about. Racing is racing,
whether
| it be Nascar, DIRT, Formula One, CART, RC cars, Slot cars, or Sim racing.
It
| seems it is you that doesn't know what real life means.
|
|
| Mike Grandy
| Proud Member of Precision Racing Internet Race Team
| 3 A Champion Forever-Godspeed Dale
|
| "O" Come on Mike G, your trollng now!
| "Real life" constitutes your ass in a real race car or any motorsport race
| vehicle! So dont play "I dont know what you mean?" Damm!
| Yes it **is** real competition in a PC sim but thats all it is a PC sim!!
| I've
| put 1000 of laps on many tracks on the eastcoast & mid-west so I know
| the difference between being there in "Real Life" & not as with a PC. If
| you do not you have a "reality" problem.. PCs are just an illusion & they
| are great but not real. So dont even go here about injury ***etc as it
is
| not a factor!! You know this as well as I do "If you really have raced!"
| The only {and I mean "only"} point I made was the words are used in
| these "Sim-Games" 'i.e. PB, Racing, Qualify etc meaning these are only
| words. No more, No less! Fact!


| Thom, what exactly constitutes real life racing. This is my real life and
| when i'm sitting behind my computer racing it appears to be real
| competition. I've raced in real life and raced in simulations and the only
| real difference I see is that I can't get injured and it costs alot less.
| The competition is alot stiffer than it was in real life also. I guess I
| don't quite understand your idea of it not being real simply because it is
| on a computer.
|
|
| Mike Grandy
| Proud Member of Precision Racing Internet Race Team
| 3 A Champion Forever-Godspeed Dale
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|


| Now a response:
| Sorry Tom this time I really *don't agree* with your comments! This
| is "rec.autos.simulators" and in many of the "sim-games" it will state,
| Qualify, PB, Racing, and much more! Of course this *isnt* "real life"
| racing and anyone that thinks this is, are diluted!
| So no matter what word or words that are used here it still *is* and
| always will be "rec.autos.simulators" here. Bottom line: to me Tom,
| Your taking words & dissecting them when they do not need to be!
| This newsgroup is just that a newsgroup for 'rec.sim'ers' if you will
| no more, no less. -Thom_j.
|
| | So, please....could you guys "hot-lap" all you want...but just stop
| talking
| | about it as if it was racing?  Please?
| |
| | Regards,
| |
| | Tom Pabst
| |
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| That is the whole point that Tom seems to miss.  Even when in a 40+ car
| field, racing is supposed to be you & your machine vs. the track.  I've
| always learned you race the track, not the other racers per se.
|
| And yes, hotlapping is indeed racing.  You are racing the clock.  :-)
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Mike simply asked what would it take and quite "frankly"  (ouch), I don't
have that answer.  =)

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hotlappers have a natural advantage in that their results are visible. No
matter how many races you win in your league or on WON or VROC, you'll only
be known to a small portion of the online racing community. While hotlap
sites publish a hotlappers peformance worldwide.

There's not much that can be done about it. Anyway, I don't think the people
need to be educated. To each their own, I guess.

As for real racers watching us, I don't really care what they think as long
as I am having fun. In which way do you feel it's important what a
Schumacher thinks about sim racing? Are you worried that it might hurt our
hobby in any way if MS and his likes get a wrong impression about sim
racing?

Achim

Good point... we're self-sufficient at the moment and will be for the
foreseeable future (the net will continue to improve so things, as they say,
can only get better), so indeed, while I don't enjoy being looked down upon,
who cares? -I'm a bush league simracer anyway.

Jan.
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I agree with some of your points and disagree with others,
but I am too lazy to comment each of them, so right to
constructive part.

You probably want to establish GPL (or any other game) Racing Rank.
While GPL Rank provides simple measurement of ones ability to drive
alone on the track in unlimited practice session, it does not
measure ability to compete with other drivers in the race
conditions. Chess, bridge, go and many other games have
ranking systems based on ones performance against other competitors.
Here's the basic idea for racing. Each driver has its own rating.
Each car is rated too. Drivers rating in the race is a combination
of his own rating and the rating of the car he drives. Average
of the ranks of participating (driver,car) pairs is the rank of
the race. Each driver is expected to achieve certain result in
the race (drivers with highest ranks are expected to be top
finishers while for drivers with lower ranks finish in the middle
will be a good result) proportional to his rank. After the race,
those who got better results than expected get increase in the rank,
those who did not have their rank reduced. Increment/decrement will
also depend on the race duration (and probably race status).
Total of the participating drivers after the race will stay the same.
To implement this you will need to setup a ranking server that
will accept results from GPL servers and then advertise your
project to make race hosts to submit results. Those races that count
toward the rank will be marked as 'ranked' (as opposite to 'non-ranked').

Finally, commercialisation of online racing may bring it to the
competition between programmers rather than competiion between drivers
much sooner than it is feared in real F1. Just think about how are
you going to protect against those who run some kind of software,
feeding an input instead of race controller?

Alex
(alexti)