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Thats it... GPL has just buggered the hell out of me!!!

GraDe

Thats it... GPL has just buggered the hell out of me!!!

by GraDe » Fri, 26 Jan 2001 03:57:40

I'm going absolutely mental here,
I get this whole practice, practice practice idea... but I'm really at a
loss.

Yes, like everyone I'm gradually knocking tenths off here and there.
On VROC the best drivers are about 1-2 seconds max. off my best times at
say, Monza...
I'm no great driver but I'm not terrible (in real life too). I get a seconds
advantage for good sim drivers (I get that with all sims!), 2 seconds is a
lot of time, but the top guys probably will outdo me by this in a good
hotlap in most sims...
But, *** me If I know how to get anything closer to the 4-5 second gap
that top lads have opened up on a regular short circuit. 2 minutes at the
'ring... and various other unbelievable times after owning it from (almost)
day 1!

Forget about a "How do I go quicker?" post, I ant to know what sort of
virtual rocked fuel are Monza 1.26's filling there Lotii tanks with?

I don't get it, GPL is the only sim that I have seen guys pulling away at
such a rate from the regular racers without a perf. editor being released...
this is madness!

If I don't get, Perhaps I'll get the dog to bury the CD... any better ideas?
:-)

The Black Cat =^..^

Thats it... GPL has just buggered the hell out of me!!!

by The Black Cat =^..^ » Fri, 26 Jan 2001 04:23:05

If there is one common element among the quicker drivers -- I'm *not*
one of them -- it seems to be that they are able to carry more speed
through the turns.  They brake later and less than us mere mortals...

Paul the Cat  =^..^=

"We've been sleeping all our lives --
At last we can open our eyes."
             -- Carly Simon

Art McEwe

Thats it... GPL has just buggered the hell out of me!!!

by Art McEwe » Fri, 26 Jan 2001 05:13:46

Fast drivers brake later, brake less and get on the gas earlier, sounds so
simple doesn't it?

Beyond skill and practice I think equipment has something to do with it.  I
improved when I bought a FF wheel because it gave me more feedback and being
a better unit allowed me to feed the game better input.

I was at a buddies house a xmas and he had a high powered Pent III with a
super duper graphics board.  Even though I wasn't using my regular setup I
and I was just hacking around, I was able to recover from mistakes that
would have put me in the armco at home.  I think because the CPU was less
busy so it could accept smaller corrections earlier.

Because his resolution was about a zillion by a zillion, I also think I was
able to pick out the apex better and get on the power earlier simply because
I could see better.

Now I'm not saying I just need a better machine to be fast or that it makes
up for skill & practice, but I'll bet it won't hurt.

Art.


Wosc

Thats it... GPL has just buggered the hell out of me!!!

by Wosc » Fri, 26 Jan 2001 05:30:49

Try a 30 power side angle (1st number in the diff setting)...if you can
learn to drive monza with that diff setting (30/45 or 30/60 or something
like that) then you will knock some time off...30 accelerates a little
better because it locks the rear tires together quickly...the side effect is
that you get a lot of power oversteer so you have to be very sensitive with
the throttle in the turns...but give it a try and eventually you will love
it.

JB


Tim McArthu

Thats it... GPL has just buggered the hell out of me!!!

by Tim McArthu » Fri, 26 Jan 2001 06:16:06

Here is my advice:

First, get rid of the "***ed" attitude. that alone is probably causing
you to lose some time. You end up going out on the track trying to make up
that couple seconds and it is killing you. I do the same :-) What I do now
is to just simply go on track and try to run some comfortable laps without
pushing the car. Eventually you just end up getting fater and faster each
day. I rarely adjust my setups (downloaded), just get to know the track more
and more and picking down tose lap times. Can't say Im within 2 seconds of
the hot-lappers either, but I do well in the league I am running.

Second, your equipment will make a big difference. The faster the PC the
more accurate you can be with braking, turning, error corrections, etc. The
faster you are with htose things, the better/faster you are going to go. A
good wheel/pedal combo makes a huge difference in control over your vehicle.

Third, download some replays. I have learned more about my lack of speeds by
watching my competitors either in a replay or behind him/her on the track.
Where they brake later and how, where they get through the turns faster and
so on. I find myself slower in some turns but faster in others, and that may
be directly related to the setup.

Fourth, setup. I like very soft setups (probably because I come with more of
the Nascar related background) then most. They stick better but aren't as
responsive. Forces me to run a little higher ride height, but I like that
too.  I also like big camber setups and nice even gearing. If I can work out
a good (not spectacular) handling car then I can make up for the difference
in driving (let me retain this lie to myself guys, its the only thing
keeping me up front)

I have had GPL since release in '98, but never really got around to any
serious racing in it 'till just the past 2 months. I have always enjoyed GPL
just didnt want to invest the amount of time it took to create the setups
(plus I suck at setup creation). So I downloaded Allison Hine's F2 Ferrari
setups and soon found myself running better then her own times that she
lists with her setups. I then downloaded a few other's setups and found a
set that matches my style a bit more and now am able to run in the lead pack
at most any track that our league visits. I have decided to stick with the
F2 cars for pure enjoyment though, less HP, closer racing, and you can
really throw the car around and have a blast doing it.


: I'm going absolutely mental here,
: I get this whole practice, practice practice idea... but I'm really at a
: loss.
:
: Yes, like everyone I'm gradually knocking tenths off here and there.
: On VROC the best drivers are about 1-2 seconds max. off my best times at
: say, Monza...
: I'm no great driver but I'm not terrible (in real life too). I get a
seconds
: advantage for good sim drivers (I get that with all sims!), 2 seconds is a
: lot of time, but the top guys probably will outdo me by this in a good
: hotlap in most sims...
: But, *** me If I know how to get anything closer to the 4-5 second gap
: that top lads have opened up on a regular short circuit. 2 minutes at the
: 'ring... and various other unbelievable times after owning it from
(almost)
: day 1!
:
: Forget about a "How do I go quicker?" post, I ant to know what sort of
: virtual rocked fuel are Monza 1.26's filling there Lotii tanks with?
:
: I don't get it, GPL is the only sim that I have seen guys pulling away at
: such a rate from the regular racers without a perf. editor being
released...
: this is madness!
:
: If I don't get, Perhaps I'll get the dog to bury the CD... any better
ideas?
: :-)
:
:

chainbreake

Thats it... GPL has just buggered the hell out of me!!!

by chainbreake » Fri, 26 Jan 2001 05:58:25

I don't know what your experience level is, but one of my biggest
breakthroughs came when I finally learned to take corners (at least to a
degree) by modulating the throttle rather than turning the steering wheel.

And no, I've never even been close to a 1.26 at Monza.

Jerry Morelock


David G Fishe

Thats it... GPL has just buggered the hell out of me!!!

by David G Fishe » Fri, 26 Jan 2001 08:05:50

If you really want to close the gap, you'll have to do the unimaginable and
practice the hundreds and even thousands of hours as some do.

At that point though, "driving" has long been replaced with something else.

David G Fisher


Semi

Thats it... GPL has just buggered the hell out of me!!!

by Semi » Fri, 26 Jan 2001 08:16:13

Even tho i'm a good 5 seconds behind the rest of the pack, and always last
on the grid, I love the online races ,
Practice?
Bollocks!!!
you either have it or you dont ,and I certainly dont have it. maybe i'll
improve but after 6 months trying i dont think I will.but it doesnt get me
down, sometimes i'll battle with a racer of equal skill and i 'll bet i get
as much pleasure and thrills as i would being a front runner

Its all part of racing, theres the Hakkinens and Shumi's
and theres us

***but loving every minute.

Semi

www.beatroute.freeserve.co.uk

Alex Camero

Thats it... GPL has just buggered the hell out of me!!!

by Alex Camero » Fri, 26 Jan 2001 08:43:18

It is quite easy in GPL not to be getting 100% throtle it happend to me when
I got a new wheel/pedels and if I hadn't been quicker before I wouldn't have
ever known because the loss in top speed was only 1-2 mph but I was 2
seconds off my best.

Try recalebrating your wheel in GPL but when you calibrate the accelerator
don't push is right to the end, then you will garentee that you get 100%
throtle.

Alex


Leo Landma

Thats it... GPL has just buggered the hell out of me!!!

by Leo Landma » Fri, 26 Jan 2001 09:46:30



Everything the other guys said. Plus: download GPL Dump, insert one of those
alien hot shoe replays, insert a replay of your own and look at the
resulting graph. You'll see EXACTLY where you lose time. Very educational.
It's not going to help you make up 4 or 5 seconds, but at least you won't be
at a loss anymore.

Bye,
Leo

ymenar

Thats it... GPL has just buggered the hell out of me!!!

by ymenar » Fri, 26 Jan 2001 09:49:05


> If you really want to close the gap, you'll have to do the unimaginable
and
> practice the hundreds and even thousands of hours as some do.

Oh another hit-and-run by DGF.  Isn't he nicely trolling these days?

I've closed the gap and I really haven't spent such number of hours behind
the wheel.  You can accept the fact that like any other craft in the world,
some people have more skills then others? Heck there is people SO better
then myself.  I've seen people GPL guys hop in N4 and set out incredbile
fast times within 4-5 of their first laps.

But hey, continue to be in your supposed "better simracing" world, all alone
by yourself.

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...
-- http://www.ymenard.com/
-- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how
hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

Maxx

Thats it... GPL has just buggered the hell out of me!!!

by Maxx » Fri, 26 Jan 2001 11:11:30

GraDee,

A "How to go quicker post".

I know you said forget them but have you ever been taught how to drive
a real race car? If you got a job drivin race cars for real how close
do you think you'd be to the really quick guys? How long would it take
you to get within 4-5 secs of them?

Take a loko here http://users.bart.nl/~hansvd/school/ it may help you
as it has helped others.

Maxx

PS. You still have to practice.

Badmea

Thats it... GPL has just buggered the hell out of me!!!

by Badmea » Fri, 26 Jan 2001 11:45:23

Okay here is my two cents worth. I like you stagnated in the high 1:29's at
Monza thinking how the hell do I go any faster after the thousands of laps I
have put in there. Then I tried some Wolfgang Woeger setups. I'm now
consistant mid 1:28's. If I really tried I know I could do 1:27's. For me
the improvements come from a stable driveable setup. It seems to work for
Wolfgang too. Get a setup you feel good with and then spend the time
enjoying the drive.
You'll be surprised at the improved times.


Eldre

Thats it... GPL has just buggered the hell out of me!!!

by Eldre » Fri, 26 Jan 2001 14:33:12


>If I don't get, Perhaps I'll get the dog to bury the CD... any better ideas?
>:-)

Use it as a frisbee - or maybe skeet shooting.  I'll join ya!<g>

Eldred
--
Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999
Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
GPL F1 hcp. +28.80...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73

Never argue with an idiot.  He brings you down to his level, then beats you
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Eldre

Thats it... GPL has just buggered the hell out of me!!!

by Eldre » Fri, 26 Jan 2001 14:33:12


writes:



>> I'm going absolutely mental here,
>> I get this whole practice, practice practice idea... but I'm really at a
>> loss.

>Everything the other guys said. Plus: download GPL Dump, insert one of those
>alien hot shoe replays, insert a replay of your own and look at the
>resulting graph. You'll see EXACTLY where you lose time. Very educational.
>It's not going to help you make up 4 or 5 seconds, but at least you won't be
>at a loss anymore.

>Bye,
>Leo

I've looked at my laps with both ReplayAnalyzer and GPLDump.  I also just
compared a Kyalami lap from Alison.  With few exceptions, all I see is that I
brake earlier, and accelerate later.  I'm not understanding how that helps me
get faster, because I can't brake any later, or accelerate any earlier...  What
am I missing here?

Eldred
--
Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999
Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
GPL F1 hcp. +28.80...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73

Never argue with an idiot.  He brings you down to his level, then beats you
with experience...
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