Yep, this is my assessment of their style too. Just look at GH's WR
lap of Mosport. It's positively insane! If a real car can be
driven(fast) like that I'll buy a hat and eat it. It is actually very
similar to a 4WD world rally car in the way they rotate the car
through the whole corner. A WRC on _gravel_, that is.
Yes, I know a guy at about -65 that runs single axis. He also has
58-60% brake bias! Crazy...
/Magnus
GPLRank hcp: -39.44
Wow... thanks very interesting read. I'm gonna try it out in a minute.
I think you didn't get a lot of replys because they where all stunned by
your explanation ;)
"To better slow down, brake less you must"
- Fangioda
I'm serious. Don't push too *** the brake pedal. I very
seldom push it farther than 50% down.
Just another of those counter-intuitive thingies, I guess...
Richard.
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Really? How many hours do you think Herr Schumacher has "driven" to be
as good as he is?
Practice makes perfect - people are no less worthy for doing it.
John
pez
> >You CAN brake later Eldred! Use the famous trailbraking technique..
> >1) Brake a little bit later than normal.
> >2) Normally there would be no way now to keep the car on the road,
> >unless:
> >3) You don't release the brakes all the way when you enter a corner,
> >but you keep pressing the brakes just a -little bit-
> >4) This does 2 things: you continue braking, hence you can still take
> >the normally even when you braked later, and secondly, when you press
> >the brakes -a little bit- this also helps the car turning in.
> >Parabolica at Monza is an excellent place to practice this. I guess
> >you normally brake when you are near the sign on you left?
> >Well, download a fast replay and see where these guys brake.
> They brake(from memory) about 3-4 car lengths later. I haven't been able
to do
> that yet. I think I've moved my braking point from right before the sign,
to
> right after the sign. So I've gained about 1 car length in 2 years...<g>
I'm
> still trying to figure how how people can brake so MUCH later without
eating a
> hedge... It just doesn't seem possible.
> Eldred
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> Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats
you
> with experience...
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seems to give you a nice balanced car in gpl and n4, but doesnt work so well
in real life.
pez
i dont remember ever being taught that at silverstone?
pez
> GraDee,
> >Forget about a "How do I go quicker?" post, I ant to know what sort of
> >virtual rocked fuel are Monza 1.26's filling there Lotii tanks with?
> A "How to go quicker post".
> I know you said forget them but have you ever been taught how to drive
> a real race car? If you got a job drivin race cars for real how close
> do you think you'd be to the really quick guys? How long would it take
> you to get within 4-5 secs of them?
> Take a loko here http://users.bart.nl/~hansvd/school/ it may help you
> as it has helped others.
> Maxx
> PS. You still have to practice.
GPL has a big flaw
pez
> > GraDee,
> > >Forget about a "How do I go quicker?" post, I ant to know what sort of
> > >virtual rocked fuel are Monza 1.26's filling there Lotii tanks with?
> > A "How to go quicker post".
> > I know you said forget them but have you ever been taught how to drive
> > a real race car? If you got a job drivin race cars for real how close
> > do you think you'd be to the really quick guys? How long would it take
> > you to get within 4-5 secs of them?
> > Take a loko here http://users.bart.nl/~hansvd/school/ it may help you
> > as it has helped others.
> Not a kart, but yes a kart... I know basic lines, braking, trail-braking,
> accelerating. I'm not the fastest in the world but i know what each is and
> how to do it.
> I know it'd take a while to compete with top guys in a real car if i just
> stepped into it but if after 3 years I'm still way off I might as well
give
> up.
> That's what annoys me about GPL, I'm not a newbie to sims, or real racing,
I
> am not that far behind in any other sim and after 3 years of practice I've
> hit a brick wall...
> I must be doing something very fundamental wrong... Of course my Driving
> style could improve but i'm not talking tenths, after tons of practice and
> you are still loosing 3 seconds there is something very wrong that basic
> practice can't sort... I'm stumped.
No person's opinions can be said to be
more correct than another's, because each is
the sole judge of his or her own experience.
pez
> pez
> > > :
> > > : If I don't get, Perhaps I'll get the dog to bury the CD... any
better
> > > ideas?
> > > : :-)
> > > :
> > > :Give muttley a bone
> > Even tho i'm a good 5 seconds behind the rest of the pack, and always
last
> > on the grid, I love the online races ,
> > Practice?
> > Bollocks!!!
> > you either have it or you dont ,and I certainly dont have it. maybe i'll
> > improve but after 6 months trying i dont think I will.but it doesnt get
me
> > down, sometimes i'll battle with a racer of equal skill and i 'll bet i
> get
> > as much pleasure and thrills as i would being a front runner
> > Its all part of racing, theres the Hakkinens and Shumi's
> > and theres us
> > ***but loving every minute.
> > Semi
> > www.beatroute.freeserve.co.uk
In a nutshell, what I meant was that however much you
practice doing ANYTHING, you can't improve forever.
You will find your limit. And it may be lower than other
peoples limit. It doesn't matter what you apply this to,
real driving, sim driving, arcade driving, mario kart,
doing real martial arts or playing Tekken, playing Quake
or becoming a mercenary and actually shooting people...
It doesn't matter how accurate or innaccurate the game or
sim or job is, its down to maximising the talents YOU have,
to get the best from it.
So GPL and N4 aren't totally accurate in the trail braking
department.. That doesn't change the fact that I'm not going
to get much better at it than I am already.. My improvements
come in 100ths now rather than 10ths.. and I'm still 2 seconds
or more slower than the fastest racers. So be it. I still try to
improve anyway, but it doesn't worry me that I am slower, I
just get on with it, concentrate on driving in a way that suits
my style, and enjoy myself.
Lol SpeedFreek.
>seems to give you a nice balanced car in gpl and n4, but doesnt work so
well
>in real life.
>pez
>I wouldn't view an upgrade as "mandatory" in your case. Your rank is
>pretty darn good (if you ask me), and you're at the point where
>improvement comes in hundredths of a second, not tenths, so
>improvements will come more slowly for you at this point. Also, for
>every hundredth of a second that you can eke out now, that might
>translate into tenths or actual seconds if or when you get around to
>upgrading, so don't shelve GPL (or anything else), and don't feel that
>a hardware upgrade is an absolute necessity.
I even finally bought GP3, but I can't get the damn thing to recognize my
TSW...so it's on the shelf right now...<sigh>
Eldred
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> Agree. Please upgrade Eldred, its only a few hundred bux.
Eldred
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> > It's easy to see where you are loosing time but when I try to accelerate
> earlier or brake later or whatever it usually understeers out...
> Sounds like you're driving much too carefully. When you feed in throttle
at
> speeds where the rear tyres are nowhere near breaking traction, all the
car
> will do is drive straight ahead. Maybe you just have to be more agressive
> and hang the tail out. This is much easier with rock hard springs/rollbars
> and 6 clutches. Less grip but a lot more control. Try a change of tack and
> experiment with hard setups, not forgetting the brake bias.
