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by **Ed Marti** » Fri, 26 Apr 1996 04:00:00

> Does this Hawaii patch change the standalone game in any way? Any patches
> in this thing? Do yellow flags work? Oops...sorry...NASCAR works, right?
> Not much of a NASCAR player...more into ICR2.. :)

> How many humans on at once?

> --
> Meek and obedient you follow the leader
> down well trodden corridors into the valley of steel..

> Neil Yeatman, Ajax, Ontario, CANADA

Neil,

Multiplayer does not modify single player in any way. We did do some
work with the yellow flags. We can race up to 32 people per race with
multiplayer concurrent races.

--
Ed Martin
Papyrus Design Group

by Lo » Fri, 26 Apr 1996 04:00:00

Warbirds works just fine despite occasional warps for the vast majority of
flyers, that's not really a good example. However, the latency requirements
for Warbirds is much less strigent than they are for NASCAR. Heck, even
with dial in NASCAR as it is now, there still some quirky warpy little
episodes happening occasionally like you're driving along with noone behind
you and in front of you and sudddenly your hood gets stove in!

Actually I had 2 questions.

1. Occasionally the server vomits and everyone gets dumped from a race after
it starts. (Happened twice last night). How does that effect ratings/ score?

2. What about home IPX network (not TCP/IP). Is that in any future release
plans for Papyrus.

Keep up the good work
Los

by **Ed Marti** » Fri, 26 Apr 1996 04:00:00

> : Given the public data networks that exist today, this can not be
> : done. The internet, although
> : widely available, can not provide reliable low latency. Yes, there
> : are some promising things
> : happening in low latency internet game services, but they are not yet
> : done/"ready for prime
> : time". Believe me, we are completely on top of all of this. Again, a
> : top priority is low cost : access.

> : In the open beta phase, given the current state of the art, we have to
> : rely on point to point
> : communications to give us the latency we need. Is it more expensive
> : than we want? Yes. Are we
> : doing everything possible to change that once we go live? ABSOLUTELY!!!!!
> [clip]
> : 6) Network version. Again, see point # 1 above, and see Rick Genter's
> : posting as well. I assure
> : you, a network version of NASCAR would NOT be playable over the
> : internet. The internet as a
> : whole provides unreliable latencies of up to 5 seconds (or more).

> Ed,
> What about people who want to play over a LAN? I know that at my
> school, there are entire dorms linked with some sort of network. Plus,
> i'm sure that if you put in network support, people would form local
> racing clubs. I would gladly cart a PC system to someone's house or
> other meeting place to have a race or two. I know this would require
> some sort of server software, but with people buying faster hardware just
> to play your games I think it's possible. The internet is not the only
> network out here. :)

There are no plans to develop or distribute a network version of the
current NASCAR Racing product.
--
Ed Martin
Papyrus Design Group

by **Eva** » Fri, 26 Apr 1996 04:00:00

?>I want to make one other important point in this regard. Classifying inexperienced drivers as
?>"idiots", "dickwads", "don't have the sense god gave a brick", or "don't know how to drive" is
?>totally unfair, and frankly, rude. How good were you the first time you tried the game? We are
?>in a MULTIPLAYER envirnoment. Not everyone is a "good"/experienced as you. Give everyone a
?>break & everyone will have fun. If you think you're that much better than someone else, then the
?>skill ranking system will move you up. Patience!!!!! This is a FUN GAME, right?????

While I think you have a good point in there somewhere, I
believe a distinction should be drawn between those of us (like
myself) who aren't all that good at Nascar, and those people who
somehow think that Nascar is a demolition derby. Hopefully the skill
rating will keep most people happy, but simple ettiquette should
dictate that everyone should at least learn enough about Nascar so
that they're able to make "safe" laps. At any rate, I do think it's
important that Nascar "gurus" be careful that they don't unfairly lump
"inexperience" in the same category as "obnoxiousness."

--Evan

by **Young4go** » Fri, 26 Apr 1996 04:00:00

Well,

I fixed my com 4 irq 2 problem by simply moving my irq to 3. No problem
now as multi worked like a charm.

Also, is sprint 10 cents a minute all day or just after 11PM? I got this
flyer in the mail that says I can get 9.5 cents a minute anytime of the
day, any day of the week just by dialing an access code and then the
number I want to reach - no need to drop my current ld service. The
company is called CGI, has anybody done this? They drop their 5.99
monthly charge for the first month so I plan to start that up on Wednesday
(May 1st) <g>.....

Phil
<PJYOUNG> on Hawaii

by **Dan Hauge** » Fri, 26 Apr 1996 04:00:00

> > Either this is a hoax or Sierra has yet to update the page on this.
> > I followed the link and saw nothing new.

> > Dan

> Dan,

> It's not a hoax... really! There has been a problem with www.sierra.com
> since last night. The page has not been updated as of right now (1:50PM
> EDT, Tuesday). However, it will be updated within the next hour.

I got it Ed, Thanks! The tough part after that was finding the 1.21 patch.
Had to go through Happy Puppy and do some digging to get one but it all
worked out.

I have to commend the staff that put the Hawaii files together. Nim's driving
tips file is a *must read* before going online!

I jumped into an Atlanta race early Thursday morning and drove as a rookie
should. (If you are slow and about to get lapped, let the leaders pass.)
My setup was not very good so I just cruised around. Got a 2nd in a nine car
field (-2L) by staying out of trouble.

I hope to try MIS or TAL soon! I can't wait for a full field race!!!

Dan

by **Mike Carrother** » Fri, 26 Apr 1996 04:00:00

>> I also have a question. I read the guide.txt file that comes in

HAWAII.EXE. It says
driver competes in and then
run 10 races to get off of
last 10 races are used in
races, the non-run races

What about if someone else wrecks you?? I was on last night, and out of
seven or eight races, I was wrecked six times by someone else, and four
of those were before I even moved. How does this count on my rating?

Mike

by **Brian Simps** » Sat, 27 Apr 1996 04:00:00

>>I was on there earlier too. However I am a little nervous about
>paying
>>for calls to Boston. That could get expensive. I do plan to use it a
>>little though.

> SPRINT .10 a minute 10% cash back

Hey Mike, I switched to sprint about 2 months back....those bills were
killing me <G>. AT&T did me one better, called and gave me $100 in
cash and 50% off my phone calls.... which comes out to about $4.20 an
hour for the next 3 months... Sooo if you can swing it call em and
start bargaining, it works! After the 3 months...back to Sprint.
--

http://www.cris.com/~bms/index.htm
Closed Beta Tester Hawaii Network - bsimpson online
"It's Always Darkest before it goes totally Black"

by **Brian Simps** » Sat, 27 Apr 1996 04:00:00

>>> >> follow the links to the Papyrus area):

>>> >> http://www.sierra.com/sierra/papy/home.htm

>>Actually, if you go here, you don't see it.
>>try this instead:

>>IN Netscape, erase the last part and just open:
>>http://www.sierra.com/sierra/papy

>>You'll get a directory - and the HAWAII.EXE file is located there.
>>Click once on it to download.

>>** Works Great - except for:
>>1. It's a long distance number... I can't afford the phone bill I'm
>>about to run up.
>>2. Idiots. People who have no concept of a pace lap.
>> ------- Please!!!! --------
>>Learn to drive on your own PC first, then join the world.
>>I tried 2 races and both started with crashes in the first 50 ft on
>the
>>pace lap.

>>(but it IS REAL)
>>Mike

> All the neubies keep nominating races that have no pace lap and so
>they never practice it together.
> Pace laps require your full attention...no weaving to"heat" the
>tires.... stagger your position on the track to give yourself runoff
>room....maintain a constant speed when possible.....DO NOT CHAT, it
>takes a hand off the wheel, your eyes off the road.....do not try
>backing off for a flying start....
> Any suggestions from experienced Multi-testers is welcome here..
> Pacing safely takes practice and concentration

AMEN brother! That's how people get invited into leagues. They DON'T
try to hit anyone. They know how to drive a pace lap and under
yellow flags. They also treat the race like it is the real thing, not
like it's destruction derby!

The key to this type of racing is PATIENCE. Aggressive drivers will
almost always either wreck themselves or someone else, and not finish
a race. Respect has to be earned, and the only way you get that
respect is to race fair, clean, and with thought, not with the gas
pedal floored and "rubbing" drivers into the wall. IMHO
--

http://www.cris.com/~bms/index.htm
Closed Beta Tester Hawaii Network - bsimpson online
"It's Always Darkest before it goes totally Black"

by **Eldred Picke** » Sat, 27 Apr 1996 04:00:00

><attaching big cinnamon buns to each side of my head gazing at >
>< a trashcan. >
> "help us papyrus gang! your our only hope......"

I read the first line a couple times trying to figure out what the HELL you
were talking about. Then I read the second line...'Ah, I get it NOW'<g>
...may the force be with you...

Eldred Pickett

I am NOT paranoid. And why are you always watching me?!?

by **Whatbra** » Sat, 27 Apr 1996 04:00:00

Do these incident points count if your the puntee. I found myself getting
dumped wile leading as well as just plain racing mistakes. The same guy
who dumped me dumped the pole sitter on the pace lap, idiot.

by **Ed Marti** » Sat, 27 Apr 1996 04:00:00

I can't really comment of future product releases. Stay tuned! :-)

--
Ed Martin
Papyrus Design Group

by **Ed Marti** » Sat, 27 Apr 1996 04:00:00

> >> I also have a question. I read the guide.txt file that comes in
> HAWAII.EXE. It says
> >> something about averaging scores from the past 10 races that a
> driver competes in and then
> >> re-assesses the driver's rating. Does this mean that you have to
> run 10 races to get off of
> >> level 0. Or are drivers re-evaluated after every race and up to the
> last 10 races are used in
> >> the average?
> >Drivers are re-evaluated after each race. If you have less then 10
> races, the non-run races
> >will be counted as zeros, and averaged as such.

> >Mike

> What about if someone else wrecks you?? I was on last night, and out of
> seven or eight races, I was wrecked six times by someone else, and four
> of those were before I even moved. How does this count on my rating?

> MikeWell, wrecks are all counted against you... whetehr you caused it or

not. There's virtually no way we could write the code to make accurate
calls on who caused an accident.

Yes, in the begining, because everyone must start at the bottom, "good"
drivers" will have to fight it out with "bad" drivers, but I can't think
of any other way to handle it.
--
Ed Martin
Papyrus Design Group

by **michae** » Sat, 27 Apr 1996 04:00:00

>I have to commend Ed, Rick, and everyone at Papyrus....This multiplayer

service rocks....already spent WAY too much on a phone bill!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by **Eric T. Busc** » Sat, 27 Apr 1996 04:00:00

>There's virtually no way we could write the code to make accurate
> calls on who caused an accident.

> Yes, in the begining, because everyone must start at the bottom, "good"
> drivers" will have to fight it out with "bad" drivers, but I can't think
> of any other way to handle it.

Well, this brings us to the question of just what exactly constitutes an
accident. I assume regular tapping (like in bump drafting) would not count
against you. But, does it have to be severe enough to bring out a yellow or
cause damage to a car before it counts? If so, what happens in races with both
of these options turned off?

--
Eric T. Busch

Emory University

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