rec.autos.simulators

by **G Kuche** » Tue, 25 May 1999 04:00:00

probably because they realized the same thing I did over the
weekend....the sim SUCKS!!!!!
I've never played a more frustrating sim in my life.....when you cant
even go around a corner at 40 mph without the rear end coming loose on
you.....then your sim has serious problems........serious!!!

> Why all the fuss because Papyrus are not using GPL for the next Nascar sim.
> I am sure that we have the ability to make a realistic Nascar simulator by
> modifying GPL.
> Papyrus will sell more copies of GPL to Nascar fans who can then download
> all the patches from the internet, hopefully spurring them on to create some
> new masterpieces.
> The tracks are already available, the physics will be more difficult to get
> right, but the
> knowledge must be out there.

by **john moor** » Tue, 25 May 1999 04:00:00

Poor G, You must realize that GPL is far superior to any other pc sim in terms of
it's driving physics model. This of course means it is much more difficult than
other sims. Me for example, I can run N2 at 105-110 % and come through the pack to
win but GPL is still after 8 months a ***. It took me several weeks before I
could get around the track with any speed at all and now turn very competitive
times. I stopped driving N2, GP2, etc long ago, they are simply not as satisfying
in the reward for good driving. You should keep driving GPL for a few weeks then
pronounce your decision. I for one am bummed that N3 is so far off in the future.
JM

> probably because they realized the same thing I did over the
> weekend....the sim SUCKS!!!!!
> I've never played a more frustrating sim in my life.....when you cant
> even go around a corner at 40 mph without the rear end coming loose on
> you.....then your sim has serious problems........serious!!!

> > Why all the fuss because Papyrus are not using GPL for the next Nascar sim.
> > I am sure that we have the ability to make a realistic Nascar simulator by
> > modifying GPL.
> > Papyrus will sell more copies of GPL to Nascar fans who can then download
> > all the patches from the internet, hopefully spurring them on to create some
> > new masterpieces.
> > The tracks are already available, the physics will be more difficult to get
> > right, but the
> > knowledge must be out there.

by **ymenar** » Tue, 25 May 1999 04:00:00

LOL

I nominate this for the "Message of the year" award.

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank>
-- NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.nros.com/
-- SimRacing Online http://www.simracing.com/
-- Official mentally retarded guy of r.a.s.
-- May the Downforce be with you...

"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

by **Chris Schlette** » Tue, 25 May 1999 04:00:00

Once again, its not necessarily the physics of the sim, but its the cars
that are a *** to drive. Sure, some of its the more detailed physics
model that requires a bit more skill, but those cars even in a N2 physics
engine would still be a pain to drive.

> Poor G, You must realize that GPL is far superior to any other pc sim in
terms of
> it's driving physics model. This of course means it is much more difficult
than
> other sims. Me for example, I can run N2 at 105-110 % and come through the
pack to
> win but GPL is still after 8 months a ***. It took me several weeks
before I
> could get around the track with any speed at all and now turn very
competitive
> times. I stopped driving N2, GP2, etc long ago, they are simply not as
satisfying
> in the reward for good driving. You should keep driving GPL for a few
weeks then
> pronounce your decision. I for one am bummed that N3 is so far off in the
future.
> JM

> > probably because they realized the same thing I did over the
> > weekend....the sim SUCKS!!!!!
> > I've never played a more frustrating sim in my life.....when you cant
> > even go around a corner at 40 mph without the rear end coming loose on
> > you.....then your sim has serious problems........serious!!!

> > > Why all the fuss because Papyrus are not using GPL for the next Nascar
sim.
> > > I am sure that we have the ability to make a realistic Nascar
simulator by
> > > modifying GPL.
> > > Papyrus will sell more copies of GPL to Nascar fans who can then
download
> > > all the patches from the internet, hopefully spurring them on to
create some
> > > new masterpieces.
> > > The tracks are already available, the physics will be more difficult
to get
> > > right, but the
> > > knowledge must be out there.

by **Giffin, the Slay** » Tue, 25 May 1999 04:00:00

On Tue, 25 May 1999 00:35:18 +1000, "Stephen Colbourne"

>Papyrus will sell more copies of GPL to Nascar fans who can then download
>all the patches from the internet, hopefully spurring them on to create some
>new masterpieces.

A good company will never rely on the internet for patching their
products later on.

It's the age old debate as to whether computer games should be
released when they're finished, or in time for Christmas?

I say, would you accept to see the new Star Wars film if they told you
they were going to cut it half way, and that you would have to come
back in a few months time to see the rest of it?

Phoenix

"Phoenix - A fabulous bird, reborn from the ashes of its earlier life"
ICQ# 39578846

by **Giffin, the Slay** » Tue, 25 May 1999 04:00:00

>probably because they realized the same thing I did over the
>weekend....the sim SUCKS!!!!!
>I've never played a more frustrating sim in my life.....when you cant
>even go around a corner at 40 mph without the rear end coming loose on
>you.....then your sim has serious problems........serious!!!

Are you speaking of GPL?

Stick with Daytona USA and Ultimate Race Pro if you can't handle GPL.
;-)

Phoenix

"Phoenix - A fabulous bird, reborn from the ashes of its earlier life"
ICQ# 39578846

by **ymenar** » Tue, 25 May 1999 04:00:00

Well I know I would ;-)

-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank>
-- Official mentally retarded guy of r.a.s.
-- May the Downforce be with you...

"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

by **Giffin, the Slay** » Tue, 25 May 1999 04:00:00

I really must agree.

Until GPL, Nascar Racing 2 felt to me like the most brilliant of
simulators available. Everything about it felt 'right', at the time.
Since GPL however, Nascar Racing 2 seems less like a true simulator
and more like an arcade game, in that it can not give me the same
trills it used to.

GPL was released around 7 or 8 months ago [right?], but still wipes
the floor with even the newest competition.

The GPL engine not being used for N3 is a grave disapointment, but
it's perfectly understandable why they can not use it.

Phoenix

"Phoenix - A fabulous bird, reborn from the ashes of its earlier life"
ICQ# 39578846

by **Phoenix, The Magici** » Tue, 25 May 1999 04:00:00

>>I stopped driving N2, GP2, etc long ago, they are simply not as satisfying
>>in the reward for good driving. You should keep driving GPL for a few weeks then
>>pronounce your decision. I for one am bummed that N3 is so far off in the future.

>I really must agree.

>Until GPL, Nascar Racing 2 felt to me like the most brilliant of
>simulators available. Everything about it felt 'right', at the time.
>Since GPL however, Nascar Racing 2 seems less like a true simulator
>and more like an arcade game, in that it can not give me the same
>trills it used to.

>GPL was released around 7 or 8 months ago [right?], but still wipes
>the floor with even the newest competition.

>The GPL engine not being used for N3 is a grave disapointment, but
>it's perfectly understandable why they can not use it.

>Phoenix

>"Phoenix - A fabulous bird, reborn from the ashes of its earlier life"
> ICQ# 39578846

Griffin, why are you still copying my name and signature?

Phoenix

"Phoenix - A fabulous bird, reborn from the ashes of its earlier life"
ICQ# 39578846

by **Phoenix, The Magici** » Tue, 25 May 1999 04:00:00

I assume you're not a Star Wars fan then?

Phoenix

"Phoenix - A fabulous bird, reborn from the ashes of its earlier life"
ICQ# 39578846

by **G Kuche** » Tue, 25 May 1999 04:00:00

guys...guys...guys....all i am saying is this...no car ever made......no
car.....behaves like the ones do in GPL...it's a simple law of
physics.....*** on asphalt at 40 mph does not lose grip .......no
tire I KNOW of does that.....that's what i'm griping about.....and no
matter how soft or how hard or whatever combination of settings I try
and fool around with....the same thing happens.....spinout at 40
mph...and not even my foot on the throttle....now you guys show me where
in the heck on this god's green earth you can find me a car...ANY
CAR...that behaves like that???
you wont...end of story....

> It takes extreme patience to learn to drive a GPL car correctly.
> It took me some months before I felt totally at ease in the***pit.

> However, once I came to grips (no pun intended) with the driving and physics
> model, no other racing sim up to this time gives me the same enjoyment.
> They all feel lifeless.

> --
> Best regards,
> Bruce.
> ======
> The Stunned Mullet........seriously satirical stuff!
> http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> ===============================================

> >probably because they realized the same thing I did over the
> >weekend....the sim SUCKS!!!!!
> >I've never played a more frustrating sim in my life.....when you cant
> >even go around a corner at 40 mph without the rear end coming loose on
> >you.....then your sim has serious problems........serious!!!

> >> Why all the fuss because Papyrus are not using GPL for the next Nascar
> sim.
> >> I am sure that we have the ability to make a realistic Nascar simulator
> by
> >> modifying GPL.
> >> Papyrus will sell more copies of GPL to Nascar fans who can then download
> >> all the patches from the internet, hopefully spurring them on to create
> some
> >> new masterpieces.
> >> The tracks are already available, the physics will be more difficult to
> get
> >> right, but the
> >> knowledge must be out there.

by **Kurt Steinboc** » Tue, 25 May 1999 04:00:00

Well, I was getting a little bored just sitting around waiting for the 1.1
patch. This one ought to liven up the next few days, huh?

>guys...guys...guys....all i am saying is this...no car ever made......no
>car.....behaves like the ones do in GPL...it's a simple law of
>physics.....*** on asphalt at 40 mph does not lose grip .......no
>tire I KNOW of does that.....that's what i'm griping about.....and no
>matter how soft or how hard or whatever combination of settings I try
>and fool around with....the same thing happens.....spinout at 40
>mph...and not even my foot on the throttle....now you guys show me where
>in the heck on this god's green earth you can find me a car...ANY
>CAR...that behaves like that???
>you wont...end of story....

by **john moor** » Tue, 25 May 1999 04:00:00

> > probably because they realized the same thing I did over the
> > weekend....the sim SUCKS!!!!!
> > I've never played a more frustrating sim in my life.....when you cant
> > even go around a corner at 40 mph without the rear end coming loose on
> > you.....then your sim has serious problems........serious!!!

> LOL

> I nominate this for the "Message of the year" award.

Stop it, your'e killin me! If there was an award it might win.JM

by **ddjhenri** » Tue, 25 May 1999 04:00:00

>Once again, its not necessarily the physics of the sim, but its the cars
>that are a *** to drive. Sure, some of its the more detailed physics
>model that requires a bit more skill, but those cars even in a N2 physics
>engine would still be a pain to drive.

Ahhh but there's the rub... We could probably find guys who could
warp the 3do shapes into Winston Cup cars, but they would still drive
like 67 F1 machines. While Papy is very supportive of graphic
patches that extend gameplay and sales of it's products...it gets
rather testy when folks try to alter the code. Thus, while the Touring Cars
in the TPTCC patch, look smaller and sleeker, they are still saddled with
a 4 speed gearbox and rear wheel drive. Getting Papy to agree to let
someone change the basic #'s in GPL to approximate a WC car would
probably be fruitless.
dave henrie

-
On May 17, 1999 A Whale was killed off the coast of
Washington State. The Whale was killed in the name of
Tradition.....I say....
%&#& Tradition!

by **Jay Wolf** » Tue, 25 May 1999 04:00:00

>>The GPL engine not being used for N3 is a grave disapointment, but
>>it's perfectly understandable why they can not use it.

>>Phoenix

>>"Phoenix - A fabulous bird, reborn from the ashes of its earlier life"
>> ICQ# 39578846

>Griffin, why are you still copying my name and signature?

>Phoenix

>"Phoenix - A fabulous bird, reborn from the ashes of its earlier life"
> ICQ# 39578846

i don't get it. how rude. let's hope that he cleans up his act soon.

Phoenix

"Phoenix - A fabulous bird, reborn from the ashes of its earlier life"
ICQ# 39578846

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