rec.autos.simulators

Marc J. Nelson wrote

<snipped good pos>

You forgot something Marc...

 - Stupid decision to make competition against THEMSELVES in the US, by
having 2 products (Nascar Racing 1999 and GPL) at the same time out.  Like I
said those "rednecks" (sorry for that word but it summarize the stock-car
racing fans there... I mean the majority) won't even look at the back of the
GPL box, the wheels are "out" of the car chassis ;-D

Sierra Sports vs. Papyrus thingy ? :'-(

- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> Good race at the Brickyard!
- Official Mentally retarded guy of r.a.s.
- Excuse me for my English (I'm French speaking)
- Sponsored by http://www.racesimcentral.net/
- "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."--

Not really.  By all accounts, having two sims out is a good thing for
Papyrus, as it blankets a wider audience who may purchase the "other"
title.  Some of the R&D from one would have no-doubt drifted to the
other while in development, saving a few bucks along the way.

Cheers!

Marc

--
Marc J. Nelson
The Sim Project - http://www.simproject.com/
Extinct Track Archive - http://www.simproject.com/eta/

* Switch confused.net with concentric.net to reply...Confused-yet? *

By GUI or is it necessary to edit a file?

--
Regards,
Bruce.
----------
The GP Legends Historic Motor Racing Club  is located at:-
http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/legends/

Marc,

I think that outright sales of GPL may not be the point.  This seems
likely to have been an R&D project as well for the next generation
NASCAR engine.  When Papy starts selling a NASCAR game based on this
physics engine, they will be laughing all the way to the bank.

Clark

Maybe Papy have discovered that there is a world outside USA that don't care
too much about NASCAR racing.
Personally I think GPL is great, but i don't think I will buy a NASCAR
simulator.

-Jan Otto

Try to tell that someone with bad fps in Q2 DM, being gibbed without
shooting
once yourself is not funny... ;^)

l8er
ronny

--
Toys'R'Us '99: "So, would you like a hand gun with that action figure,
kiddo?"

          |\      _,,,---,,_        I want to die like my Grandfather,
   ZZZzz /,`.-'`'    -.  ;-;;,_              in his sleep.
        |,4-  ) )-,_. ,\ (  `'-'     Not like the people in his car,
       '---''(_/--'  `-'\_)            screaming their heads off!

You have 2 major problems here. 1/ limited time and 2/ Playing many sims. You are simply
kidding yourself if you think you will get good at GPL by dividing your limited time by
using other sims. It's obviously the habbits you have formed in these other sims that make
you think GPL is wrong. And the demo tracks are easy! Wait till Spa and the Ring get a
hold of you! You'll be throwing your 'puter out the window for sure, hehehehehehe. Why
waste your time on other sims? Get GPL, do 2-3 hour sessions at a time and enjoy. Being
able to pilot these things well takes time and is EXTREMELY rewarding!

   PS - I drive the Lotus with full non linearity as I have explained to you before and am
right there with the best in the world. But being this fast only comes with a LOT of hours
of practice, just like any other sport! GPL is faultless IMO.

--
 Byron Forbes
 Captain of Team Lightning Bolt

 http://members.tripod.com/~HOSHUMUNGUS

    and

 http://www.frontiernet.net/~godsoe/bolt/home.htm

Yep, I'll bet it's to do with his Win95 calibration selection or something. Or just that
he uses many other sims and fiddles a lot. He needs to decide on one thing and stick with
it.

--
 Byron Forbes
 Captain of Team Lightning Bolt

 http://members.tripod.com/~HOSHUMUNGUS

    and

 http://www.frontiernet.net/~godsoe/bolt/home.htm

Here we disagree. Framerate is primarily important to the purists, and
there are many more ***s of Quake and Unreal than of racing sims.

No problem with a nit-pick, as long at is isn't used to construct a
"Joe Public" argument. I personally would have loved to see Monza
banking, but I know that a very small percentage would have cared and
it wouldn't have justified the time it took. Plus, given that the
banking may be torn down soon, there could be a licensing issue with
Monza not wanting to publicise it, who knows?

Still, gives TSP a target... :-)

Cheers!
John

On Mon, 28 Sep 1998 07:30:49 +1000, Bruce Kennewell

Both.

Cheers!
John

Hi Marc,

The save game feature isn't implemented mostly due to the incredible amount
of dynamic data constantly on the move at 300 times per second.  I'm not if
it was originally planned or not (doubtful since it proved difficult with
the much simpler N2).  Restoring each cars positional data is easy -
restoring precisely their AI short term and longer term "goals", suspension
positions, trajectories in 3d space, is a nightmare you can only dream
about.  FWIW, I don't remember anybody on the test team lobbying strongly
for a save game feature.  I guess we could have done, but instead chose to
hammer home to Papyrus just how important the internet aspect of *** is.
We probably wouldn't have either if it weren't due to the test team and the
dedication/overtime of a couple of the engineers.  At least we have internet
play.  If you would have been willing to wait until April, perhaps a save
game feature would have been incorporated.  Personally, I don't think it's
all that important.  I'd just like to add that when the new CART sim is
developed, if I'm on the test team for that (unknown due to personal
reasons), I won't be lobbying for a save game feature for that either.  I'll
be concentrating on the physics and AI again, since these are the areas of a
sim that are most important to me.  Each to his own, I guess.

Mike.

Ah, but two with bad fps can sort-of sort things through, where one will
ultimately become the victor...On the other hand, two with bad fps in a
driving sim may not ever finish...Those walls are mighty hard!  =P

Cheers!

Marc

--
Marc J. Nelson
The Sim Project - http://www.simproject.com/
Extinct Track Archive - http://www.simproject.com/eta/

* Switch confused.net with concentric.net to reply...Confused-yet? *

Matters little that N3 (or whatever) uses the GPL engine...ANYTHING
that Papyrus creates with the words "NASCAR" on the box will sell like
hotcakes.  It's their cash-cow.

Cheers!

Marc

--
Marc J. Nelson
The Sim Project - http://www.simproject.com/
Extinct Track Archive - http://www.simproject.com/eta/

* Switch confused.net with concentric.net to reply...Confused-yet? *

Hi Mike,

FWIW, I'm not the one who wrote the snippet you responded to, although
I aggree with what was said.  I also feel that if it came down to the
two you indicate, save-game vs. realistic physics, that I would opt for
Papyrus to concentrate on the latter (Bruce!<g>).

However, the save-game need not place each driver in their respective
places as before, rather simply a save-race via "red-flag"...all cars
back to the line!

Cheers!

Marc

--
Marc J. Nelson
The Sim Project - http://www.racesimcentral.net/
Extinct Track Archive - http://www.racesimcentral.net/

* Switch confused.net with concentric.net to reply...Confused-yet? *