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n2002 racing online on sierra servers is POINTLESS

frederickso

n2002 racing online on sierra servers is POINTLESS

by frederickso » Sun, 07 Jul 2002 05:23:22

i joined 4 different races, i got wrecked in every single one. on SS they
hug the inside the whole time, its not racing its useless. I go out of my
way to race clean and it just gets me wrecked
Bob

n2002 racing online on sierra servers is POINTLESS

by Bob » Sun, 07 Jul 2002 05:35:33

The following formula has a probability outcome of 99.9%

SS race + no password server = catastrophe


RHinN

n2002 racing online on sierra servers is POINTLESS

by RHinN » Sun, 07 Jul 2002 07:40:48

I disagree. I am one of the people who take the time to race right. I love
trying to "anticipate" the unanticipated. It has made me a better driver.
The ability to react to those who do not know how to drive, or understand
that drafting is good, is what makes this sim so ***ing.


The Other Larr

n2002 racing online on sierra servers is POINTLESS

by The Other Larr » Sun, 07 Jul 2002 07:51:59

Yeah, that's something that has developed over the last year or so.  It
seems that it has become in-vogue to block the low line for 40 laps, with
the excuse "I always leave plenty of room up high".  Well, no shit.

-Larry


B.Farme

n2002 racing online on sierra servers is POINTLESS

by B.Farme » Sun, 07 Jul 2002 08:18:53

Yeah, Larry, when I was practicing for tomorrows race, I noticed this myself.

The good news is, when a couple 'o guys (3 or 4 is better), get together & run
high, you can go right by the low runners.

The bad news is, if someone low, intentionally or not, drifts up into you, they
just wiggle & go on, while the guy up high eats the wall.  Speaking from
experience, here :(    Not really an issue if you trust the people you race
with, but this was one of my rare appearances on an open papy server ;-\

Brian



> Yeah, that's something that has developed over the last year or so.  It
> seems that it has become in-vogue to block the low line for 40 laps, with
> the excuse "I always leave plenty of room up high".  Well, no shit.

> -Larry



> > i joined 4 different races, i got wrecked in every single one. on SS they
> > hug the inside the whole time, its not racing its useless. I go out of my
> > way to race clean and it just gets me wrecked

wille

n2002 racing online on sierra servers is POINTLESS

by wille » Sun, 07 Jul 2002 08:38:58

Hi,

Well...i try to race as carefull as i can...and i almost never cause
a wreck..as another poster in this thread says...anticipating is a
large part of the game.
But what's wrong with hugging the inside?
Ermmm...i think that's sorta retorical...i know it's annoying but
there seems no other way to defend your position..as in when there's
no need to draft...
Most of the time drafting is the way to go...but when it isn't how
else would you defend your position?
Against someone who's halfway decent taking a higher line means
loosing yer position..period...
The above mostly applies to when the entire field is
wrecked...ggg...andit's basically a 1v1 tothe finish.

Cheerios


>i joined 4 different races, i got wrecked in every single one. on SS they
>hug the inside the whole time, its not racing its useless. I go out of my
>way to race clean and it just gets me wrecked

Eldre

n2002 racing online on sierra servers is POINTLESS

by Eldre » Sun, 07 Jul 2002 10:09:01



>Yeah, that's something that has developed over the last year or so.  It
>seems that it has become in-vogue to block the low line for 40 laps, with
>the excuse "I always leave plenty of room up high".  Well, no shit.

I still don't see the problem with running the low line.  First, it's the
normal racing line - aren't people allowed that?  Why should people be made to
give up the preferred line?  Second, you can still pass on the high side.
Well, *I* can't, but I've seen it done...<g>

Eldred
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frederickso

n2002 racing online on sierra servers is POINTLESS

by frederickso » Sun, 07 Jul 2002 10:13:05

they block the low line the *whole way around the track*, a train of 10 cars
develops, and its almost impossible to pass that big of a draft on the
outside.




> >Yeah, that's something that has developed over the last year or so.  It
> >seems that it has become in-vogue to block the low line for 40 laps, with
> >the excuse "I always leave plenty of room up high".  Well, no shit.

> I still don't see the problem with running the low line.  First, it's the
> normal racing line - aren't people allowed that?  Why should people be
made to
> give up the preferred line?  Second, you can still pass on the high side.
> Well, *I* can't, but I've seen it done...<g>

> Eldred
> --
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> Stolen vehicle! - Det,MI
> 1999 Blk Pontiac Grand Am SE, Lic# 947SLS,
> VIN:1G2NE12EXXM815898 carjacked from Grnfld/W. Chicago 6/30/02.Contact
Officer
> Penn at 313-596-2850.Thanks

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Alan Bernard

n2002 racing online on sierra servers is POINTLESS

by Alan Bernard » Sun, 07 Jul 2002 10:42:40

So.  This is a suprise?  You expect these makeshift races to be clean?  Not
possible.  If you want clean racing race with people whom you know.

Alanb


The Other Larr

n2002 racing online on sierra servers is POINTLESS

by The Other Larr » Sun, 07 Jul 2002 11:41:06

It's not racing.  It's blocking pure and simple.  It makes for wreck-fests
due to the frustration it causes for everyone behind them.

It's not the way it's done in real life, and it shouldn't be the way it is
here either.

Of course, the last 2 laps are so are fair game, and protecting the low line
by blocking is to be expected.

NR2002 does not model the outside groove exactly like real racing.  It
simply doesn't give that 'run' like you see on TV.  This makes the
entire-race, low-line blocking even worse.

The only people who do this are the people who don't understand what racing
is all about.

-Larry


> Hi,

> Well...i try to race as carefull as i can...and i almost never cause
> a wreck..as another poster in this thread says...anticipating is a
> large part of the game.
> But what's wrong with hugging the inside?
> Ermmm...i think that's sorta retorical...i know it's annoying but
> there seems no other way to defend your position..as in when there's
> no need to draft...
> Most of the time drafting is the way to go...but when it isn't how
> else would you defend your position?
> Against someone who's halfway decent taking a higher line means
> loosing yer position..period...
> The above mostly applies to when the entire field is
> wrecked...ggg...andit's basically a 1v1 tothe finish.

> Cheerios


> >i joined 4 different races, i got wrecked in every single one. on SS they
> >hug the inside the whole time, its not racing its useless. I go out of my
> >way to race clean and it just gets me wrecked

The Other Larr

n2002 racing online on sierra servers is POINTLESS

by The Other Larr » Sun, 07 Jul 2002 11:42:39

The outside line is not modeled well enough for this.  You don't get the
'runs' like  you see on TV.

This makes the low-line, entire race blocking ***even more frustrating.

This low-line blocking ***is responsible for great number of the wrecks
that occur on Papy servers.

-Larry




> >Yeah, that's something that has developed over the last year or so.  It
> >seems that it has become in-vogue to block the low line for 40 laps, with
> >the excuse "I always leave plenty of room up high".  Well, no shit.

> I still don't see the problem with running the low line.  First, it's the
> normal racing line - aren't people allowed that?  Why should people be
made to
> give up the preferred line?  Second, you can still pass on the high side.
> Well, *I* can't, but I've seen it done...<g>

> Eldred
> --
> Homepage - http://www.racesimcentral.net/~epickett
> Stolen vehicle! - Det,MI
> 1999 Blk Pontiac Grand Am SE, Lic# 947SLS,
> VIN:1G2NE12EXXM815898 carjacked from Grnfld/W. Chicago 6/30/02.Contact
Officer
> Penn at 313-596-2850.Thanks

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Sean Higgin

n2002 racing online on sierra servers is POINTLESS

by Sean Higgin » Sun, 07 Jul 2002 11:50:44

RUN OTHER TRACKS!! lol

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> The outside line is not modeled well enough for this.  You don't get the
> 'runs' like  you see on TV.

> This makes the low-line, entire race blocking ***even more frustrating.

> This low-line blocking ***is responsible for great number of the wrecks
> that occur on Papy servers.

> -Larry




Other

> > >Yeah, that's something that has developed over the last year or so.  It
> > >seems that it has become in-vogue to block the low line for 40 laps,
with
> > >the excuse "I always leave plenty of room up high".  Well, no shit.

> > I still don't see the problem with running the low line.  First, it's
the
> > normal racing line - aren't people allowed that?  Why should people be
> made to
> > give up the preferred line?  Second, you can still pass on the high
side.
> > Well, *I* can't, but I've seen it done...<g>

> > Eldred
> > --
> > Homepage - http://www.racesimcentral.net/~epickett
> > Stolen vehicle! - Det,MI
> > 1999 Blk Pontiac Grand Am SE, Lic# 947SLS,
> > VIN:1G2NE12EXXM815898 carjacked from Grnfld/W. Chicago 6/30/02.Contact
> Officer
> > Penn at 313-596-2850.Thanks

> > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

ymenar

n2002 racing online on sierra servers is POINTLESS

by ymenar » Sun, 07 Jul 2002 12:48:19


> It's not racing.  It's blocking pure and simple.  It makes for wreck-fests
> due to the frustration it causes for everyone behind them.

> It's not the way it's done in real life, and it shouldn't be the way it is
> here either.

The high line at SS in NR2002 is the faster line.  Really, it is.  If you
ever race serious leagues, you'll see.  Download the VRW replay of their
races there, and you'll see.  You'll see ;)

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n2002 racing online on sierra servers is POINTLESS

by David G Fishe » Sun, 07 Jul 2002 14:08:30

If freezes don't take me out of this RASCARrace, then no one better be
blocking the low line in front of me before there's two laps left in the
race.

David G Fisher



> It's not racing.  It's blocking pure and simple.  It makes for wreck-fests
> due to the frustration it causes for everyone behind them.

> It's not the way it's done in real life, and it shouldn't be the way it is
> here either.

> Of course, the last 2 laps are so are fair game, and protecting the low
line
> by blocking is to be expected.

> NR2002 does not model the outside groove exactly like real racing.  It
> simply doesn't give that 'run' like you see on TV.  This makes the
> entire-race, low-line blocking even worse.

> The only people who do this are the people who don't understand what
racing
> is all about.

> -Larry



> > Hi,

> > Well...i try to race as carefull as i can...and i almost never cause
> > a wreck..as another poster in this thread says...anticipating is a
> > large part of the game.
> > But what's wrong with hugging the inside?
> > Ermmm...i think that's sorta retorical...i know it's annoying but
> > there seems no other way to defend your position..as in when there's
> > no need to draft...
> > Most of the time drafting is the way to go...but when it isn't how
> > else would you defend your position?
> > Against someone who's halfway decent taking a higher line means
> > loosing yer position..period...
> > The above mostly applies to when the entire field is
> > wrecked...ggg...andit's basically a 1v1 tothe finish.

> > Cheerios


> > >i joined 4 different races, i got wrecked in every single one. on SS
they
> > >hug the inside the whole time, its not racing its useless. I go out of
my
> > >way to race clean and it just gets me wrecked

jason moy

n2002 racing online on sierra servers is POINTLESS

by jason moy » Sun, 07 Jul 2002 14:47:54

Huh?  I've never seen a problem with passing someone on the high side
at the plate tracks.  It just takes 2 or 3 cars to do it.

Personally, I like when most people don't hug the inside line because
that just means I can draft my way to the front and hold that line for
as long as I want (i.e. until someone drives over me, which usually is
the result).

Anyway, holding the low line is not blocking.  Blocking is when you
swerve from side to side to keep a car from passing you.

Jason

On Sat, 06 Jul 2002 02:42:39 GMT, "Larry \(The Other Larry\)"


>The outside line is not modeled well enough for this.  You don't get the
>'runs' like  you see on TV.

>This makes the low-line, entire race blocking ***even more frustrating.

>This low-line blocking ***is responsible for great number of the wrecks
>that occur on Papy servers.

>-Larry





>> >Yeah, that's something that has developed over the last year or so.  It
>> >seems that it has become in-vogue to block the low line for 40 laps, with
>> >the excuse "I always leave plenty of room up high".  Well, no shit.

>> I still don't see the problem with running the low line.  First, it's the
>> normal racing line - aren't people allowed that?  Why should people be
>made to
>> give up the preferred line?  Second, you can still pass on the high side.
>> Well, *I* can't, but I've seen it done...<g>

>> Eldred
>> --
>> Homepage - http://www.racesimcentral.net/~epickett
>> Stolen vehicle! - Det,MI
>> 1999 Blk Pontiac Grand Am SE, Lic# 947SLS,
>> VIN:1G2NE12EXXM815898 carjacked from Grnfld/W. Chicago 6/30/02.Contact
>Officer
>> Penn at 313-596-2850.Thanks

>> Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.


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