rec.autos.simulators

by **Jon Anderse** » Sun, 28 Jul 2002 01:39:13

3 days ago, I had a slight brain failure, and bought N2002. It must have
been a brain failure, 'cause I don't like ovals, I have and old PIII600, and
have driven N4 online a year ago.

I am a die hard GPL-er. I bought N4, as I was told that the physics was
good. And it was, indeed. I raced online for 6 weeks. Then I returned to
GPL.

I blame the brain failure for me buying N2002 three days ago, in spite of me
having decided long time ago *not* to buy that game. I saw no reason at all
to support another game running mostly left handers. Besides, my online
experience in N4 wasn't very positive.

To my frustration, N2002 online crowd seems to be of the same quality as the
N4 online crowd. Most ppl are nice, but there are a few loudmouths around,
overshadowing the decent racers. Not to mention those who enters races with
one ambition only: Wreck as many as possible.

During races, a crash usually occurs before the race starts, or just after
the flag drops because of jump starters. Then the flaming begins, and lasts
forever. As if anybody cared. Why can't ppl take their disagreements
outside? The flaming is of no importance for anyone except those
parcticipating Why disturb other ppls races with complaining? Of course,
those caught up in the in it. For the rest of us, the flaming is just
disturbing and annoying. Of course, a few of those caught up in the mess
yells for a restart, which they will not get. Still they keep yelling,
disturbing those still on track.

Why is there such a huge difference between GPL and Nascar crouds? In GPL,
most racers use their real names. In Nascar sims, the only persons using
their real names are GPL-ers. Nascar racers uses nicks like: "A$$Phuckers",
"Wreckmaker", "aDHeSiVe202-ApT" etc. Nicks that I normally would regard as
passwords rather than names. I guess this is a part of the problem.

When using some silly nick, you wear a camouflage. It is easy yelling at
someone when you are not recogniseable. Yelling and silly nicks is more
apparent in Nascar racing than in GPL.

Why using silly nicks anyhow? If I were Osama bin Laden or George Bush Jr, I
sure would use another name. But for the rest of us, that presumably have
done no harm to anyone: Why use a nick? We could use our real names, and
noone would know who we really were, anyhow.

I have been rearended at superspeedways. That amazes me. All you have to do
to prevent a crash at superspeedways, is lifting off. It seems that lift off
has a different meaning in Nascar racing. You don't lift off the throttle.
You keep the pedal to the metal, ramming the poor guy in front.... and we
have a lift off. Another racer put into orbit.

Jon Andersen,
using the nick Jon Andersen of GPL in N2002

by **Stev** » Sun, 28 Jul 2002 01:49:26

The only time you will get a decent pickup race is before 7pm UK time or 3
EST on weekdays, after that the kiddies come out of school and ruin nearly
every single race.

Forget SS racing as well.

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by **Rob Adam** » Sun, 28 Jul 2002 01:51:04

A couple of years ago there were plenty of similar idiots in GPL online
races. I can't remember the guy's name anymore but one guy was infamous for
taking out entire races by running backward. These jerks have mostly gotten
tired of GPL and moved on; that type of person has a very short attention
span. N2002 is fairly new so these guys are still picking it up off store
shelves.

The answer to this problem in N2002 is the same as in GPL: the only reliable
way to avoid idiots and wreckers is to join a league. Idiots are a risk you
take with pickup races. Sucks, but that's life.

by **<n..** » Sun, 28 Jul 2002 02:53:08

Get over it,it has been this way since the demise of TEN,
nothing is going to change...Sierra could care less, so
Get over it!

by **ymenar** » Sun, 28 Jul 2002 03:29:55

> Why is there such a huge difference between GPL and Nascar crouds?

Sorry, but you'll find the same thing in an online pickup race on VROC,
especially at Monza (the Talladega of GPL). It's in the leagues that you'll
find the real racers.

Pickup racing died when the NROS closed.

People do the same at Monza in GPL.

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by **Tom Osbo** » Sun, 28 Jul 2002 03:41:35

While I can understand what you are saying, it really is not that bad. Sure
the pickup races are going to suck 9 out of 10 times with N2002, but I can
assure that pickup races on VROC with GPL were just as bad at times. I guess
you have to take what you can get and expect to be sent to the infield care
center in most pickup races. The way around this as always is to find a
league and hope for the best. Stopping the mindless chat is as easy as a few
mouse clicks or a well placed piece of tape . Unfortunately there are going
to be morons in any game you play online, N2002 and GPL ar not immune, take
a deep breath, join a league and try and have a little fun.

Tom Osbon
drive hard...turn left...and by all means...use the draft

by **Neil Charlto** » Sun, 28 Jul 2002 07:28:32

I also recently made the change Jon. I was fortunate enough to bump into an
old GPL mate who got me into a Friday league. Nicer bunch of guys you
couldn't ask to meet. The Saturday RASCAR crowd are also a good bunch - any
groaning takes place here and not on the track ;) Then there's the Monday
FFRL (Greger, Roland et al). I've only done one off season race with them so
far but the atmosphere is great.

In short - hang in there and find a league. I wouldn't have believed it but
there's some serious fun to be had with this left-handed stuff :)

Regards

by **Carl Ribbegaard** » Sun, 28 Jul 2002 07:35:54

In ranked races it's not so bad as in the 0-10 races ;-)
There are LPI-filtered servers as well.

/Carl

by **John Pancoas** » Sun, 28 Jul 2002 08:07:51

Exactly. Never seen a whole lot of difference between the two crowds
myself; another urban legend imo.

John

by **Eldre** » Sun, 28 Jul 2002 08:34:23

>> Why is there such a huge difference between GPL and Nascar crouds?

>A couple of years ago there were plenty of similar idiots in GPL online
>races. I can't remember the guy's name anymore but one guy was infamous for
>taking out entire races by running backward.

Indigo...

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by **Eldre** » Sun, 28 Jul 2002 08:34:24

>During races, a crash usually occurs before the race starts, or just after
>the flag drops because of jump starters. Then the flaming begins, and lasts
>forever. As if anybody cared. Why can't ppl take their disagreements
>outside? The flaming is of no importance for anyone except those
>parcticipating Why disturb other ppls races with complaining?

Because that's their GOAL.

That's fine - it makes it easier to spot the people I want to ban from my
server... :-)

Anonymous false bravado...

Paranoia...

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by **bernard spilma** » Sun, 28 Jul 2002 09:56:07

One might expect a "simulation" to mirror the real world as closley as
possible.
With that in mind, consider the roots of Grand Prix racing: Wealthy European
playboys and royalty; versus the roots of NASCAR: Beer swillin',
ass-whoopin',
ex-moonshining rednecks from the Southern US. What would you expect?

WS

PS: I'm born and bred in North Carolina, so don't bust me on the redneck
comments.

by **Mitch Alatorr** » Sun, 28 Jul 2002 10:21:46

Perhaps at it's roots. Now NASCAR drivers are "Wealthy American playboys
and royalty; LOL

> One might expect a "simulation" to mirror the real world as closley as
> possible.
> With that in mind, consider the roots of Grand Prix racing: Wealthy
European
> playboys and royalty; versus the roots of NASCAR: Beer swillin',
> ass-whoopin',
> ex-moonshining rednecks from the Southern US. What would you expect?

> WS

> PS: I'm born and bred in North Carolina, so don't bust me on the redneck
> comments.

> > 3 days ago, I had a slight brain failure, and bought N2002. It must have
> > been a brain failure, 'cause I don't like ovals, I have and old PIII600,
> and
> > have driven N4 online a year ago.

> > I am a die hard GPL-er. I bought N4, as I was told that the physics was
> > good. And it was, indeed. I raced online for 6 weeks. Then I returned to
> > GPL.

> > I blame the brain failure for me buying N2002 three days ago, in spite
of
> me
> > having decided long time ago *not* to buy that game. I saw no reason at
> all
> > to support another game running mostly left handers. Besides, my online
> > experience in N4 wasn't very positive.

> > To my frustration, N2002 online crowd seems to be of the same quality as
> the
> > N4 online crowd. Most ppl are nice, but there are a few loudmouths
around,
> > overshadowing the decent racers. Not to mention those who enters races
> with
> > one ambition only: Wreck as many as possible.

> > During races, a crash usually occurs before the race starts, or just
after
> > the flag drops because of jump starters. Then the flaming begins, and
> lasts
> > forever. As if anybody cared. Why can't ppl take their disagreements
> > outside? The flaming is of no importance for anyone except those
> > parcticipating Why disturb other ppls races with complaining? Of course,
> > those caught up in the in it. For the rest of us, the flaming is just
> > disturbing and annoying. Of course, a few of those caught up in the mess
> > yells for a restart, which they will not get. Still they keep yelling,
> > disturbing those still on track.

> > Why is there such a huge difference between GPL and Nascar crouds? In
GPL,
> > most racers use their real names. In Nascar sims, the only persons using
> > their real names are GPL-ers. Nascar racers uses nicks like:
> "A$$Phuckers",
> > "Wreckmaker", "aDHeSiVe202-ApT" etc. Nicks that I normally would regard
as
> > passwords rather than names. I guess this is a part of the problem.

> > When using some silly nick, you wear a camouflage. It is easy yelling at
> > someone when you are not recogniseable. Yelling and silly nicks is more
> > apparent in Nascar racing than in GPL.

> > Why using silly nicks anyhow? If I were Osama bin Laden or George Bush
Jr,
> I
> > sure would use another name. But for the rest of us, that presumably
have
> > done no harm to anyone: Why use a nick? We could use our real names, and
> > noone would know who we really were, anyhow.

> > I have been rearended at superspeedways. That amazes me. All you have to
> do
> > to prevent a crash at superspeedways, is lifting off. It seems that lift
> off
> > has a different meaning in Nascar racing. You don't lift off the
throttle.
> > You keep the pedal to the metal, ramming the poor guy in front.... and
we
> > have a lift off. Another racer put into orbit.

> > Jon Andersen,
> > using the nick Jon Andersen of GPL in N2002

by **Tom Osbo** » Sun, 28 Jul 2002 10:53:27

LOL Jimmy Spencer a playboy? LMAO

> Perhaps at it's roots. Now NASCAR drivers are "Wealthy American playboys
> and royalty; LOL

> > One might expect a "simulation" to mirror the real world as closley as
> > possible.
> > With that in mind, consider the roots of Grand Prix racing: Wealthy
> European
> > playboys and royalty; versus the roots of NASCAR: Beer swillin',
> > ass-whoopin',
> > ex-moonshining rednecks from the Southern US. What would you expect?

> > WS

> > PS: I'm born and bred in North Carolina, so don't bust me on the redneck
> > comments.

> > > 3 days ago, I had a slight brain failure, and bought N2002. It must
have
> > > been a brain failure, 'cause I don't like ovals, I have and old
PIII600,
> > and
> > > have driven N4 online a year ago.

> > > I am a die hard GPL-er. I bought N4, as I was told that the physics
was
> > > good. And it was, indeed. I raced online for 6 weeks. Then I returned
to
> > > GPL.

> > > I blame the brain failure for me buying N2002 three days ago, in spite
> of
> > me
> > > having decided long time ago *not* to buy that game. I saw no reason
at
> > all
> > > to support another game running mostly left handers. Besides, my
online
> > > experience in N4 wasn't very positive.

> > > To my frustration, N2002 online crowd seems to be of the same quality
as
> > the
> > > N4 online crowd. Most ppl are nice, but there are a few loudmouths
> around,
> > > overshadowing the decent racers. Not to mention those who enters races
> > with
> > > one ambition only: Wreck as many as possible.

> > > During races, a crash usually occurs before the race starts, or just
> after
> > > the flag drops because of jump starters. Then the flaming begins, and
> > lasts
> > > forever. As if anybody cared. Why can't ppl take their disagreements
> > > outside? The flaming is of no importance for anyone except those
> > > parcticipating Why disturb other ppls races with complaining? Of
course,
> > > those caught up in the in it. For the rest of us, the flaming is just
> > > disturbing and annoying. Of course, a few of those caught up in the
mess
> > > yells for a restart, which they will not get. Still they keep yelling,
> > > disturbing those still on track.

> > > Why is there such a huge difference between GPL and Nascar crouds? In
> GPL,
> > > most racers use their real names. In Nascar sims, the only persons
using
> > > their real names are GPL-ers. Nascar racers uses nicks like:
> > "A$$Phuckers",
> > > "Wreckmaker", "aDHeSiVe202-ApT" etc. Nicks that I normally would
regard
> as
> > > passwords rather than names. I guess this is a part of the problem.

> > > When using some silly nick, you wear a camouflage. It is easy yelling
at
> > > someone when you are not recogniseable. Yelling and silly nicks is
more
> > > apparent in Nascar racing than in GPL.

> > > Why using silly nicks anyhow? If I were Osama bin Laden or George Bush
> Jr,
> > I
> > > sure would use another name. But for the rest of us, that presumably
> have
> > > done no harm to anyone: Why use a nick? We could use our real names,
and
> > > noone would know who we really were, anyhow.

> > > I have been rearended at superspeedways. That amazes me. All you have
to
> > do
> > > to prevent a crash at superspeedways, is lifting off. It seems that
lift
> > off
> > > has a different meaning in Nascar racing. You don't lift off the
> throttle.
> > > You keep the pedal to the metal, ramming the poor guy in front.... and
> we
> > > have a lift off. Another racer put into orbit.

> > > Jon Andersen,
> > > using the nick Jon Andersen of GPL in N2002

by **jason moy** » Sun, 28 Jul 2002 11:38:34

Man...

I wish Jimmy Spencer would get hired by Hendrick to drive the 25 next
year. I dunno how someone with so much promise 10 years ago ended up
in such a junk ride...

Jason

>LOL Jimmy Spencer a playboy? LMAO

>> Perhaps at it's roots. Now NASCAR drivers are "Wealthy American playboys
>> and royalty; LOL

>> > One might expect a "simulation" to mirror the real world as closley as
>> > possible.
>> > With that in mind, consider the roots of Grand Prix racing: Wealthy
>> European
>> > playboys and royalty; versus the roots of NASCAR: Beer swillin',
>> > ass-whoopin',
>> > ex-moonshining rednecks from the Southern US. What would you expect?

>> > WS

>> > PS: I'm born and bred in North Carolina, so don't bust me on the redneck
>> > comments.

>> > > 3 days ago, I had a slight brain failure, and bought N2002. It must
>have
>> > > been a brain failure, 'cause I don't like ovals, I have and old
>PIII600,
>> > and
>> > > have driven N4 online a year ago.

>> > > I am a die hard GPL-er. I bought N4, as I was told that the physics
>was
>> > > good. And it was, indeed. I raced online for 6 weeks. Then I returned
>to
>> > > GPL.

>> > > I blame the brain failure for me buying N2002 three days ago, in spite
>> of
>> > me
>> > > having decided long time ago *not* to buy that game. I saw no reason
>at
>> > all
>> > > to support another game running mostly left handers. Besides, my
>online
>> > > experience in N4 wasn't very positive.

>> > > To my frustration, N2002 online crowd seems to be of the same quality
>as
>> > the
>> > > N4 online crowd. Most ppl are nice, but there are a few loudmouths
>> around,
>> > > overshadowing the decent racers. Not to mention those who enters races
>> > with
>> > > one ambition only: Wreck as many as possible.

>> > > During races, a crash usually occurs before the race starts, or just
>> after
>> > > the flag drops because of jump starters. Then the flaming begins, and
>> > lasts
>> > > forever. As if anybody cared. Why can't ppl take their disagreements
>> > > outside? The flaming is of no importance for anyone except those
>> > > parcticipating Why disturb other ppls races with complaining? Of
>course,
>> > > those caught up in the in it. For the rest of us, the flaming is just
>> > > disturbing and annoying. Of course, a few of those caught up in the
>mess
>> > > yells for a restart, which they will not get. Still they keep yelling,
>> > > disturbing those still on track.

>> > > Why is there such a huge difference between GPL and Nascar crouds? In
>> GPL,
>> > > most racers use their real names. In Nascar sims, the only persons
>using
>> > > their real names are GPL-ers. Nascar racers uses nicks like:
>> > "A$$Phuckers",
>> > > "Wreckmaker", "aDHeSiVe202-ApT" etc. Nicks that I normally would
>regard
>> as
>> > > passwords rather than names. I guess this is a part of the problem.

>> > > When using some silly nick, you wear a camouflage. It is easy yelling
>at
>> > > someone when you are not recogniseable. Yelling and silly nicks is
>more
>> > > apparent in Nascar racing than in GPL.

>> > > Why using silly nicks anyhow? If I were Osama bin Laden or George Bush
>> Jr,
>> > I
>> > > sure would use another name. But for the rest of us, that presumably
>> have
>> > > done no harm to anyone: Why use a nick? We could use our real names,
>and
>> > > noone would know who we really were, anyhow.

>> > > I have been rearended at superspeedways. That amazes me. All you have
>to
>> > do
>> > > to prevent a crash at superspeedways, is lifting off. It seems that
>lift
>> > off
>> > > has a different meaning in Nascar racing. You don't lift off the
>> throttle.
>> > > You keep the pedal to the metal, ramming the poor guy in front.... and
>> we
>> > > have a lift off. Another racer put into orbit.

>> > > Jon Andersen,
>> > > using the nick Jon Andersen of GPL in N2002

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