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n2002 racing online on sierra servers is POINTLESS

jon

n2002 racing online on sierra servers is POINTLESS

by jon » Sun, 07 Jul 2002 14:49:26

So  if you see somebody right on your bumper at Daytona you just pull over
to the right and let them and the rest of the train pass right on by you?

Maybe I am misunderstanding what you are saying. I don't swerve back and
forth at daytona and talladega so people can't pass high or low, but if
someone is wanting to pass me there they are going to have to do it high,
unless it is a pack of cars lapping.



> Yeah, that's something that has developed over the last year or so.  It
> seems that it has become in-vogue to block the low line for 40 laps, with
> the excuse "I always leave plenty of room up high".  Well, no shit.

> -Larry



> > i joined 4 different races, i got wrecked in every single one. on SS
they
> > hug the inside the whole time, its not racing its useless. I go out of
my
> > way to race clean and it just gets me wrecked

frederickso

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by frederickso » Sun, 07 Jul 2002 15:00:10

Just watch a real daytona race, then watch a papyrus open daytona race, and
you'll see what we are talking about.


> So  if you see somebody right on your bumper at Daytona you just pull over
> to the right and let them and the rest of the train pass right on by you?

> Maybe I am misunderstanding what you are saying. I don't swerve back and
> forth at daytona and talladega so people can't pass high or low, but if
> someone is wanting to pass me there they are going to have to do it high,
> unless it is a pack of cars lapping.



> > Yeah, that's something that has developed over the last year or so.  It
> > seems that it has become in-vogue to block the low line for 40 laps,
with
> > the excuse "I always leave plenty of room up high".  Well, no shit.

> > -Larry



> > > i joined 4 different races, i got wrecked in every single one. on SS
> they
> > > hug the inside the whole time, its not racing its useless. I go out of
> my
> > > way to race clean and it just gets me wrecked

Bamada

n2002 racing online on sierra servers is POINTLESS

by Bamada » Sun, 07 Jul 2002 15:06:11

I agree. The lead car will always seem a little slower due to draft. I spend a
lot of time on the brakes....while never lifting of course to stay off the car
in front but I won't blame anyone for taking the preferred line. Lapped cars
excluded.

jon

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by jon » Sun, 07 Jul 2002 15:11:25

I have watched a daytona race. Several in fact.


> Just watch a real daytona race, then watch a papyrus open daytona race,
and
> you'll see what we are talking about.



> > So  if you see somebody right on your bumper at Daytona you just pull
over
> > to the right and let them and the rest of the train pass right on by
you?

> > Maybe I am misunderstanding what you are saying. I don't swerve back and
> > forth at daytona and talladega so people can't pass high or low, but if
> > someone is wanting to pass me there they are going to have to do it
high,
> > unless it is a pack of cars lapping.



> > > Yeah, that's something that has developed over the last year or so.
It
> > > seems that it has become in-vogue to block the low line for 40 laps,
> with
> > > the excuse "I always leave plenty of room up high".  Well, no shit.

> > > -Larry



> > > > i joined 4 different races, i got wrecked in every single one. on SS
> > they
> > > > hug the inside the whole time, its not racing its useless. I go out
of
> > my
> > > > way to race clean and it just gets me wrecked

frederickso

n2002 racing online on sierra servers is POINTLESS

by frederickso » Sun, 07 Jul 2002 15:44:12


alright you arent getting what i'm saying. there is nothing wrong with
running the preferred line, what i'm talking about is when a 7 car line of
cars hugs the inside on the straights, in the corners, just runs a 70 foot
long string of cars. it is *impossible* to pass on the outside because
nobody will go with you, so everyone just gets stuck in a silly train that
wont go anywhere. it then becomes impossible to actually run the preferred
line.

Tony Rickar

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by Tony Rickar » Sun, 07 Jul 2002 18:46:25


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Whats with the carjacking Eldred? :-(

Did I miss something?

Tony

wille

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by wille » Sun, 07 Jul 2002 19:37:35

Everyone his opinion but i really don't agree with this.
I can see yer point...but taking a certain line and staying there is
not what i see as blocking..
If i'm hugging the inside you're free to go around...i won't swirve to
keep you from trying..i'm just not giving away the inside...holding my
line...not blocking..
And i think you don't see it on real daytona cause it's not quite
modelled right in 2002 as you say.
I bet if in real life the inside line gave the same advantage as it
does in NR2002 everyone would be driving there too...and it'd get
really boring...as it does in 2002 at times...gggg

On Sat, 06 Jul 2002 02:41:06 GMT, "Larry \(The Other Larry\)"


>It's not racing.  It's blocking pure and simple.  It makes for wreck-fests
>due to the frustration it causes for everyone behind them.

>It's not the way it's done in real life, and it shouldn't be the way it is
>here either.

>Of course, the last 2 laps are so are fair game, and protecting the low line
>by blocking is to be expected.

>NR2002 does not model the outside groove exactly like real racing.  It
>simply doesn't give that 'run' like you see on TV.  This makes the
>entire-race, low-line blocking even worse.

>The only people who do this are the people who don't understand what racing
>is all about.

>-Larry

John Simmon

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by John Simmon » Sun, 07 Jul 2002 21:28:30





> >Yeah, that's something that has developed over the last year or so.  It
> >seems that it has become in-vogue to block the low line for 40 laps, with
> >the excuse "I always leave plenty of room up high".  Well, no shit.

> I still don't see the problem with running the low line.  First, it's the
> normal racing line - aren't people allowed that?  Why should people be made to
> give up the preferred line?  Second, you can still pass on the high side.
> Well, *I* can't, but I've seen it done...<g>

> Eldred

It's just bad form Eldred, and promotes the inevitable incident in turn
three.

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by jon » Sun, 07 Jul 2002 23:10:05

Not trying to be a smart ass, but it seems to me bad form is what the racing
on the open servers is all about.





Other

> > >Yeah, that's something that has developed over the last year or so.  It
> > >seems that it has become in-vogue to block the low line for 40 laps,
with
> > >the excuse "I always leave plenty of room up high".  Well, no shit.

> > I still don't see the problem with running the low line.  First, it's
the
> > normal racing line - aren't people allowed that?  Why should people be
made to
> > give up the preferred line?  Second, you can still pass on the high
side.
> > Well, *I* can't, but I've seen it done...<g>

> > Eldred

> It's just bad form Eldred, and promotes the inevitable incident in turn
> three.

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jon

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by jon » Sun, 07 Jul 2002 23:29:17

OK, I do see what you are talking about now. I also totally disagree. I
spent the last couple of hours on open servers. I was able to pass on the
outside, down the backstraight and in turns. Of course there were not seven
cars lined up. Usually about two or three.  The only thing that sucked was
the unpredictable lines people were driving ( i.e. letting it run high in
turns then overcorrecting down to the apron ). To do it I had to get as
close as I could to the cars below me. Got put into the wall some, couldn't
get ahead sometimes, and sometimes I managed to pass. Once I passed two on
the outside. And one  memorable incident involved me getting a royal
blessing out after wrecking several cars. I believe he said "Thanks for

Anyhoo....




> > I have watched a daytona race. Several in fact.

> alright you arent getting what i'm saying. there is nothing wrong with
> running the preferred line, what i'm talking about is when a 7 car line of
> cars hugs the inside on the straights, in the corners, just runs a 70 foot
> long string of cars. it is *impossible* to pass on the outside because
> nobody will go with you, so everyone just gets stuck in a silly train that
> wont go anywhere. it then becomes impossible to actually run the preferred
> line.

Eldre

n2002 racing online on sierra servers is POINTLESS

by Eldre » Sun, 07 Jul 2002 23:40:42



>It's just bad form Eldred, and promotes the inevitable incident in turn
>three.

So are you just supposed to pull over to the right in the turns and let
everyone go by???  Sorry, but I don't understand that at ALL...

Eldred
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by Eldre » Sun, 07 Jul 2002 23:40:43




>> Stolen vehicle! - Det,MI
>> 1999 Blk Pontiac Grand Am SE, Lic# 947SLS,
>> VIN:1G2NE12EXXM815898 carjacked from Grnfld/W. Chicago 6/30/02.Contact
>Officer
>> Penn at 313-596-2850.Thanks

>Whats with the carjacking Eldred? :-(

>Did I miss something?

A friend of mine was using my car while I was out of town over the weekend.
Whe got carjacked Sunday night(fortunately, she was unhurt).  The ***ing
Detroit police STILL haven't found the damn thing, and it's even equipped with
*Lojack*!  Keystone Cops, I tell you... :(
Like I needed to spend more money that I don't *have* on rental cars and
insurance deductibles...argh!

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by Eldre » Sun, 07 Jul 2002 23:40:43



>It's not racing.  It's blocking pure and simple.  It makes for wreck-fests
>due to the frustration it causes for everyone behind them.

>It's not the way it's done in real life, and it shouldn't be the way it is
>here either.

Are you saying drivers don't try to stay on the low line in the turns in real
life?  It sure looks that way to ME...

Eldred
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jon

n2002 racing online on sierra servers is POINTLESS

by jon » Sun, 07 Jul 2002 23:43:44

I agree completely.


Don Burnett

n2002 racing online on sierra servers is POINTLESS

by Don Burnett » Sun, 07 Jul 2002 23:54:28



Other

> >It's not racing.  It's blocking pure and simple.  It makes for
wreck-fests
> >due to the frustration it causes for everyone behind them.

> >It's not the way it's done in real life, and it shouldn't be the way it
is
> >here either.

> Are you saying drivers don't try to stay on the low line in the turns in
real
> life?  It sure looks that way to ME...

> Eldred

Eldred, I believe they are talking more about the straights, - certainly if
you have the low line in a turn, your going to keep it as it is the
preferred line.
While the plate tracks can offer some very good close racing, it is this
reason I don't particular care that much for them. Cars get bunched up, and
then folks try and stay in the low line going down the straights rather than
moving to the outside. Eventually somone is going to dive on the inside of
the line down the straight, and someone will follow, creating an almost
helpless situation going into the turn - especially if the guy on the
outside, who is on the inside line, doesn't move up and give the line.
Myself, I prefer to get settled in at the plate tracks and try and stay
where I am at for a while. If most folks would do this, it can be a very
exciting race indeed - unfortunately most folks won't be that patient, and
usually what results is " the big one".

Don Burnette


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