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n2002 racing online on sierra servers is POINTLESS

The Other Larr

n2002 racing online on sierra servers is POINTLESS

by The Other Larr » Mon, 08 Jul 2002 12:42:29

I think you have missed the point, pete.  It isn't about passing in the
corners for the most part.

It's about boneheads that, from the drop of the green flag, get on the
yellow line and never, ever, even for a second, leave it for 30, 40, 50 or
whatever laps.  Even on the straights!

It's frustrating, causes incidents, and is just plain pure bullshit.

-Larry


Steve Levet

n2002 racing online on sierra servers is POINTLESS

by Steve Levet » Mon, 08 Jul 2002 20:15:55

Well, drivers like that are asking to get spun if they do it from the start.
I will only do it with 10 laps to go and yesterday a driver did manage to go
round the outside and pass me. The 3rd place driver gave him some help
because I was blocking. Its all about who your friends are in the race.

--

__________

Steve Levett



> John, you are absolutely correct.

> I've seen guys, from the drop of the green flag, get on the yellow line
and
> just sit there for 50 laps, pissing off everyone behind him.

> That is the situation I am talking about, and it is, unfortunatey,
in-vogue
> on WON right now and is responsible for a great number of the incidents
that
> occur.

> That and what I will now refer to as the "Jarrett" Manuever.  Anyone who
saw
> tonights race knows what I mean.

> I'm far more disappointed that he didn't outright own up to it than I am
he
> did it in the first place.

> Although Mike Skinner is probably the worse driver when it comes to that
> nonsense.

> -Larry






> Simmons

> > > >It's just bad form Eldred, and promotes the inevitable incident in
turn
> > > >three.

> > > So are you just supposed to pull over to the right in the turns and
let
> > > everyone go by???  Sorry, but I don't understand that at ALL...

> > > Eldred

> > What they're talking about is staying on the bottom all the way around
> > the track.  That's not racing (at least not in my book).  Technically,
> > it also isn't blocking, but it *is* bad form.

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Dave Henri

n2002 racing online on sierra servers is POINTLESS

by Dave Henri » Tue, 09 Jul 2002 01:23:50


   agreed,  if a driver is holding the inside line, then gang up on him and
draft by on the outside.
dave henrie

The Other Larr

n2002 racing online on sierra servers is POINTLESS

by The Other Larr » Tue, 09 Jul 2002 02:57:08

And that's unfortunately the attitude that the cars behind him take on after
a while.  Frustration takes over.  Someone will say "enough is enough" and
do whatever is necessary to get him/her out of the way, and unfortunately
half the field gets caught up in it :(

-Larry


> Well, drivers like that are asking to get spun if they do it from the
start.
> I will only do it with 10 laps to go and yesterday a driver did manage to
go
> round the outside and pass me. The 3rd place driver gave him some help
> because I was blocking. Its all about who your friends are in the race.

> --

> __________

> Steve Levett



> > John, you are absolutely correct.

> > I've seen guys, from the drop of the green flag, get on the yellow line
> and
> > just sit there for 50 laps, pissing off everyone behind him.

> > That is the situation I am talking about, and it is, unfortunatey,
> in-vogue
> > on WON right now and is responsible for a great number of the incidents
> that
> > occur.

> > That and what I will now refer to as the "Jarrett" Manuever.  Anyone who
> saw
> > tonights race knows what I mean.

> > I'm far more disappointed that he didn't outright own up to it than I am
> he
> > did it in the first place.

> > Although Mike Skinner is probably the worse driver when it comes to that
> > nonsense.

> > -Larry






John
> > Simmons

> > > > >It's just bad form Eldred, and promotes the inevitable incident in
> turn
> > > > >three.

> > > > So are you just supposed to pull over to the right in the turns and
> let
> > > > everyone go by???  Sorry, but I don't understand that at ALL...

> > > > Eldred

> > > What they're talking about is staying on the bottom all the way around
> > > the track.  That's not racing (at least not in my book).  Technically,
> > > it also isn't blocking, but it *is* bad form.

> > > --
> > > =========================================================
> > > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends
> > >   http://www.paddedwall.org/demons
> > > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development)
> > >   http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2
> > > RASCAR Roster
> > >   http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar
> > > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity"
> > >   http://www.paddedwall.org/john
> > > Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting)
> > >   http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast

> > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown
> > > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame.
> > > =========================================================

The Other Larr

n2002 racing online on sierra servers is POINTLESS

by The Other Larr » Tue, 09 Jul 2002 02:57:45

That takes cooperation, which is non-existent on Papy Servers.  That's the
second half of the problem.

-Larry




> > Well, drivers like that are asking to get spun if they do it from the
> start.
> > I will only do it with 10 laps to go and yesterday a driver did manage
to
> go
> > round the outside and pass me. The 3rd place driver gave him some help
> > because I was blocking. Its all about who your friends are in the race.

> > --

> > __________

> > Steve Levett

>    agreed,  if a driver is holding the inside line, then gang up on him
and
> draft by on the outside.
> dave henrie

jon

n2002 racing online on sierra servers is POINTLESS

by jon » Tue, 09 Jul 2002 04:15:05

You can pass these people high, unless it is a whole line of cars. If it is,
and you are on an open server, they will *rarely* stay in a line for long.
It seems to me that completely reckless, pointless passing and inability to
hold a line cause the incidents, not a car or group of cars that want to run
the low line all the way around the track.



The Other Larr

n2002 racing online on sierra servers is POINTLESS

by The Other Larr » Tue, 09 Jul 2002 04:30:35

Then we'll have to agree to disagree .  I don't see it as racing.

:)

-Larry


> You can pass these people high, unless it is a whole line of cars. If it
is,
> and you are on an open server, they will *rarely* stay in a line for long.
> It seems to me that completely reckless, pointless passing and inability
to
> hold a line cause the incidents, not a car or group of cars that want to
run
> the low line all the way around the track.



> > I think you have missed the point, pete.  It isn't about passing in the
> > corners for the most part.

> > It's about boneheads that, from the drop of the green flag, get on the
> > yellow line and never, ever, even for a second, leave it for 30, 40, 50
or
> > whatever laps.  Even on the straights!

> > It's frustrating, causes incidents, and is just plain pure bullshit.

> > -Larry

jon

n2002 racing online on sierra servers is POINTLESS

by jon » Tue, 09 Jul 2002 04:41:15

Agreed. But even if was 100% sure you were right, I would still  have to
stubbornly insist that I was right, due to the fact that I completely
trashed my already subpar LPI trying to learn how to pass and race on the
outside.

 Something else I noticed. If you happen to be in the high line in a turn
when the inevitable open race mayhem ensues, it is damn near impossible to
find a hole to get through. Nope. You're gonna be ridin' that 180 mph
merry-go-round, no doubt about it.



The Other Larr

n2002 racing online on sierra servers is POINTLESS

by The Other Larr » Wed, 10 Jul 2002 00:16:04

Agree on Paragraph 2.  Being high is not a safe place to be :)

-Larry


> Agreed. But even if was 100% sure you were right, I would still  have to
> stubbornly insist that I was right, due to the fact that I completely
> trashed my already subpar LPI trying to learn how to pass and race on the
> outside.

>  Something else I noticed. If you happen to be in the high line in a turn
> when the inevitable open race mayhem ensues, it is damn near impossible to
> find a hole to get through. Nope. You're gonna be ridin' that 180 mph
> merry-go-round, no doubt about it.



> > Then we'll have to agree to disagree .  I don't see it as racing.

> > :)

> > -Larry

Scott Golde

n2002 racing online on sierra servers is POINTLESS

by Scott Golde » Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:24:27



<snip>

I just recently purchased the game, so I don't have a lot of experience with
it, but if these cars are hugging the line exiting a turn, wouldn't it be
possible to pass them with a "free-er" car...drifting up the track - holding
more momentum - more speed? Can they possibly hold as much speed while
pinching it exiting the turn? If so, I would say that the track modeling
isn't quite right. (given the cars were equal)

-Scott

Uncle Feste

n2002 racing online on sierra servers is POINTLESS

by Uncle Feste » Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:54:05


> I just recently purchased the game, so I don't have a lot of experience with
> it, but if these cars are hugging the line exiting a turn, wouldn't it be
> possible to pass them with a "free-er" car...drifting up the track - holding
> more momentum - more speed? Can they possibly hold as much speed while
> pinching it exiting the turn? If so, I would say that the track modeling
> isn't quite right. (given the cars were equal)

Cars can definitely be passed on the outside.  FWIW, that's part of the
perks for leading.  You can take any damn line you please.  Let those
who wish to pass find their own way around.  It *can* be done.  If other
drivers won't work with you, then your beef is with the other drivers &
NOT with the guy in front of you.

--

Fester

Pete

n2002 racing online on sierra servers is POINTLESS

by Pete » Thu, 11 Jul 2002 01:00:45

    Larry, with restrictor plates there is no other alternative. If you get
the
pole and are on the inside where would you go? Now if the he is blocking
which unfortunately many of these people do that is a different story.
    The key is for the people behind to work together and draft a pass. If
you watched the race on Sunday the very same scenario took place. No
drafting partner no pass. So in this sense the game is realistic. Do I like
it
no. But like all games you need to devise a strategy to overcome it.

    Pete



Eldre

n2002 racing online on sierra servers is POINTLESS

by Eldre » Fri, 12 Jul 2002 02:54:05


writes:

Thank you.  As I said before, I *know* cars can pass on the outside.  It cost
me a win a couple weeks ago... :(

Eldred
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Larr

n2002 racing online on sierra servers is POINTLESS

by Larr » Sat, 13 Jul 2002 10:16:21

I re-iterate one more time.

We are talking about situations where the person does it THE WHOLE RACE.

-Larry


>     Larry, with restrictor plates there is no other alternative. If you
get
> the
> pole and are on the inside where would you go? Now if the he is blocking
> which unfortunately many of these people do that is a different story.
>     The key is for the people behind to work together and draft a pass. If
> you watched the race on Sunday the very same scenario took place. No
> drafting partner no pass. So in this sense the game is realistic. Do I
like
> it
> no. But like all games you need to devise a strategy to overcome it.

>     Pete



> > I think you have missed the point, pete.  It isn't about passing in the
> > corners for the most part.

> > It's about boneheads that, from the drop of the green flag, get on the
> > yellow line and never, ever, even for a second, leave it for 30, 40, 50
or
> > whatever laps.  Even on the straights!

> > It's frustrating, causes incidents, and is just plain pure bullshit.

> > -Larry

jason moy

n2002 racing online on sierra servers is POINTLESS

by jason moy » Sat, 13 Jul 2002 11:37:46

Right.  Like Mikey did at the Firecracker, er, Pepsi 400

I don't see why people are up in arms about this.  If someone holding
the low line causes an accident, it's the fault of the people behind
him.  Same thing if someone holds the ideal line at Bristol, Dover,
Darlington, Texas, Atlanta, Watkins Glen, etc.

Jason


>I re-iterate one more time.

>We are talking about situations where the person does it THE WHOLE RACE.

>-Larry



>>     Larry, with restrictor plates there is no other alternative. If you
>get
>> the
>> pole and are on the inside where would you go? Now if the he is blocking
>> which unfortunately many of these people do that is a different story.
>>     The key is for the people behind to work together and draft a pass. If
>> you watched the race on Sunday the very same scenario took place. No
>> drafting partner no pass. So in this sense the game is realistic. Do I
>like
>> it
>> no. But like all games you need to devise a strategy to overcome it.

>>     Pete



>> > I think you have missed the point, pete.  It isn't about passing in the
>> > corners for the most part.

>> > It's about boneheads that, from the drop of the green flag, get on the
>> > yellow line and never, ever, even for a second, leave it for 30, 40, 50
>or
>> > whatever laps.  Even on the straights!

>> > It's frustrating, causes incidents, and is just plain pure bullshit.

>> > -Larry


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