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Don't buy that P4 just yet! :)

Yousuf Kha

Don't buy that P4 just yet! :)

by Yousuf Kha » Mon, 21 May 2001 00:44:57


No, no way, Intel systems are by no means more idiot friendly, they have
their problems too. People are just more willing to forgive an Intel system.
I have a new Dell Latitude laptop, which is as true-blue Intel as anything
gets, and it's having all kinds of compatibility issues, which I posted in
another message. Now, if it were just my own laptop having the problems then
I would just call it a fluke, but five out of six laptops from the same
batch are having the same problems. One of them deals with a powered docking
command which doesn't seem to work. Another problem with it is that if you
plug a standard PS/2 keyboard into this thing, eventually it will begin
crashing various applications without warning: this one is a well-documented
Dell bug within their tech support organization, they suggest that you fix
it by buying a USB keyboard instead! Stupid things, and they are all
happening on pure-Intel systems.

    Yousuf Khan

Charlie

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by Charlie » Mon, 21 May 2001 01:44:14

Maybe I'm not using GPL as the only comparison. If you would have read on I
said gpl AND N4 !!! Its not capped. SPOCK!

   Charlie B




> >Oooo wee! Is there an agenda here? Are you perhaps a recent T-bird
> >buyer?

> >Regards, JD

> And what does that have to do with it? The guy is saying the P4 and
> T-bird perform the same when he is testing on a game that is capped at
> 36fps, which makes it useless as a comparison. My P3 800 performs the
> same in GPL as my T-bird 1.33c.
> --
> eFalcon keyboard chart in PDF format
> http://storm.prohosting.com/~nos146/ef4_keys.zip

E. J. Akel

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by E. J. Akel » Mon, 21 May 2001 02:03:52

I don't know diddly about GPL. I *think* its Grand Prix Legends... As for
the throttling... In a cpu-cooler proggie I once had there was 2 options.
One was "throttle down when temp is (variable)" and the other was "throttle
down when CPU is (variable) % more than (variable) seconds/minutes". If it
helps this GPL... Beats me! :-)


E. J. Akel

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by E. J. Akel » Mon, 21 May 2001 02:12:35

I mostly agree (even though I'm not familiar with the FUD expression). The
CPU _in it self_ is almost never at fault. (Remember the Cyrix x86 that
COULD NOT RUN Win NT Argh! :-) )  Thats way I said maybee. A trend I have
seen in hardware compatibility/cpu is that most brand names (Compaq/Dell(HP)
has more problems when you want to modify them. What is you experience? I
find it better to build completely from scratch and to read/discuss
pros/cons before making my mind up. Thats what this is for me: intellegense
gathering.

MadMan




> > You don't need to cash out a lot for stability Yousuf. I have stability.
> On
> > a P3 Windows 2000 system with SCSI, video capture gear and so on. Oh, it
> got
> > Linux to. Perfectly stable.

> > Maybee the problems William are referring to are not 100% due to the
fact
> of
> > the CPU. Maybee as high as 50% (just an example) is due to the fact that
> > some peripheral (SCSI card???) are not compatible with the CPU. The
> easiest
> > way would still be to get a Intel. Running around searching for
compatible
> > hardware is a drag. I know, I had a Cyrix once.

> > It sounds like the AMD have more bang for the buck. It sounds like Intel
> is
> > more reliable for a professional user. Maybee I'll keep this 'puter and
> buy
> > a new toy (*** PC).

> Now don't start believing this compatibility FUD. The processor has got
> nothing to do with being compatible with peripherals, they are mutually
> exclusive. I've seen this FUD thrown around so often that it has to be
> combatted. People can't just go around thinking that all of their problems
> are as a result of the processor, just because they got no better ideas.

> For every William Silvey, there are several more examples of people not
> having problems. Whatever William ran into, it's because of his own
> combination, not anything else. The only way this can be a trend is if
there
> are a lot of people who see the same problem. A William Silvey is not a
> trend, by himself.

> For example, I have a brand new Dell Latitude laptop right now that is
> running Win2K, with a 700Mhz P3. It is having a problem with its powered
> undocking mechanism, i.e. it won't accept the command to undock while it
is
> still powered up, despite the fact that this is one of its included
> features. Dell's very helpful technical support (...not!) first suggested
> that we upgrade to the latest W2K service pack 2. We did, and it helped in
> one laptop out of six, unfortunately not mine. So we called Dell back,
their
> new suggestion is to reformat the hard drive and reinstall from scratch!
So
> this is our signal that we should now investigate this ourselves and not
to
> bother Dell's tech support. I'd say five out of six laptops is a trend,
yet
> what is the reason that one out of six does work?

> Prior to this I had a Compaq Armada notebook with a P2-333Mhz processor.
It
> had little or no issues. The Dell is replacing the Compaq.

> You will note that all of these examples are referring to "GenuineIntel"
> processors, right? Well, welcome to the world of x86, where it's a ***
> shoot how good your system is going to be. You don't throw your hands up
in
> the air and blame this on the processor, you go investigate, because you
are
> on your own when you got a PC.

>         Yousuf Khan

M

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by M » Mon, 21 May 2001 02:24:35


>>You are silly.

>>The reason AMD ever 'got any' was because they sucked, for years, and
years.

>You're an idiot. Intel sucks now. Get it?

hehe..

You didn't, that's for sure.

Pasha

M

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by M » Mon, 21 May 2001 02:26:30


>>Well, you've come to the wrong place for that! Here, unless you
>>know your way around well enough to separate the wheat from the
>>chaff, it's all about big egos playing attack and defend with
>>rumors, innuendo and half <often misunderstood> truths. Nothing
>>much to do with the merits at all.

>Once again, read the artical. It's fact, not inuendo. You're the one
>opening your mouth without knowing the facts. Stupid or what?

Article.

You know, you are a ***in tard.... of course you don't, only higher
primates are self aware.

Pasha

M

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by M » Mon, 21 May 2001 02:27:05


>Did you also read the articel link to the problems with Q3A on a P4?

Article

Pasha

M

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by M » Mon, 21 May 2001 02:31:55


>Dell bug within their tech support organization, they suggest that you fix
>it by buying a USB keyboard instead! Stupid things, and they are all
>happening on pure-Intel systems.

>    Yousuf Khan

Yeah! That must be an Intel problem, as is the rolling black-out situation
in California, they have Intels in that state.

Everyone knows the only component in a lap top, is the main chip.

See how rumors get started? I do, and I don't pay attention, I just buy a
rig that works.

<shrug>

Pasha

RenderedBri

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by RenderedBri » Mon, 21 May 2001 02:33:34





>>cooooooling.

>>No overclocking!

>>I know. Lets build a 3W nuclear reactor.  That way, we won't have to
>>worry about cooling it as much, when we would if we built our 300MW
>>nuclear reactor.

> Are we talking about nuclear reactors here or poorly designed cpu's?

The point I was making was that if you don't use proper cooling, then the
cpu will slow down to save itself.

I actually think that is a good feature.

--
brian
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M

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by M » Mon, 21 May 2001 02:34:09


>Now don't start believing this compatibility FUD. The processor has got
>nothing to do with being compatible with peripherals, they are mutually
>exclusive.

>        Yousuf Khan

Turn on the lights! It's dark in here!

Pasha

M

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by M » Mon, 21 May 2001 02:37:26


>The core on the T-Bird 1.33c is rated to 95c, the P4 1.5ghz is rated
>to 70c. Make your own conclusion.

What, in God's name, would make a computer run hot enough to make grilled
cheese sandwiches?

I never see 90f.

'Article'

Pasha

M

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by M » Mon, 21 May 2001 02:38:38


>you will see it is not a good thing and happens far too soon

Too soon?

Qualify that one.

Pasha

RenderedBri

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by RenderedBri » Mon, 21 May 2001 02:39:47



With sufficient cooling you shouldnt be running cpus at that temperature!

If someone does not bother cooling their cpu properly, and the thermal
protection kicks in, of course they will lose performance.  That isn't the
fault of the cpu, but more the fault of the end user.

its similar to hifi design.  Most poweramplifier semiconductors have
thermal protection circuitry built in.

In a poorly design system, with inadequate cooling (by passive heatsinks)
then the power amplifier will shut down to protect itself.

Is that the fault of the power amplifier manufacturer?  Or the designer of
the hifi system?

--
brian
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M

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by M » Mon, 21 May 2001 02:41:45


>No, the answer is get a T-Bird and better cooling. That's what I did.
>BTW, I have *always* bought Intel cpu's in the past and this is my
>first AMD cpu so it's not like I'm being biased against Intel or any
>such thing. My logic code just works better than yours.

Your logic code was apparently developed by team Cyrix.

You are about to be removed from the people I see in my online universe.

Reason? You? Doubt.

Pasha

M

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by M » Mon, 21 May 2001 02:46:29


>>Oooo wee! Is there an agenda here? Are you perhaps a recent T-bird
>>buyer?

>>Regards, JD

>And what does that have to do with it?

Everything to you, dead man.

tools/newsgroupfilters/add/all groups/"If contains 'Jagg', then don't show
messages in any newsgroup

Shit in you pants, then wear them like bunny ears, ezel.

Pasha


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