>Throttling back when the cpu overheats *IS* a good thing. If i had spent
>several hundred pouds on a cpu, I do not want it to die!
> > > Compatibility. See earlier post of mine.
> > Explain to me how an Intel CPU based system is more compatible please.
> And
> > more compatible with what exactly? Intel made benchmark software
perhaps?
> Nope. 3dStudio Max + miro video capture card + WinNT + Adaptec 2940UW +
> 9.1gb 10k/RPM drive + 256mb RAM on an Athlon 800 + latest drivers etc ad
> nauseam = KABOOM. Sorry.
So what, I have seen Intel CPUs die an many situations and that doesn't
proove squate now does it?
There you go making unsuported claims again. What stablitity? My Athlon
system is the most stable system I have ever owned and I started out being
an Intel fan going back all the way to the 4.7 MHz PC/XT and TI-99. What
stability issues exactly are you talking about?
Uhhh I have news you for, your system is hosed. It's amazing how people
find it so easy to blame the CPU when if fact all they really need to do is
start diagnosing the problem. Could have been a bad configuration, bad ram,
overheating, hosed software, not strong enough PS etc etc etc but ohhhhh
noooo it must be the CPU because it's made by AMD! Give me a break!
No, simply puting your brain in gear and realizing that the system had a
problem that needed to be fixed is what it would have taken. You remind me
of the types of people who trade in their two year old car that is not yet
paid for because the battery is starting to die out LOL!
Woopdidoo!?! Intel is so great that they decided to copy AMD by coming up
with extra x86 instruction sets (like AMD's 3Dnow). So who is more
inovative now? I can tell you the answer to that and it sure as hell isn't
Intel. Intel has lost it's edge, simple as that. Only die hard Intel fans
and simply uninformed and suserspicious people still buy Intel LOL!
What makes you think Intel doesn't make mistakes? Remember the P90 FPU bug?
Probably not huh? I would have taken even an AMD 5x86 CPU over a POS iP90
any day during that time.
All software from the past was designed with Intel CPUs in mind but this is
changing fast as AMD will be the *** CPU in the home market and beyond.
Just a fact, that's all.
You could simply collect all the "Problem with my system" postings off the
Usenet and claim that AMD was to blame but then again I could do that with
all those same postings involving Intel CPUs. This prooves nothing. If
there really was any compatibility issue with a CPU, the whole world would
know about it as the competitors would make sure it was advertised.
Remember the Intel P90 floating point problem? Good example of that as it
was all over the news and even on TV.
I could care less what CPU people run and I am not trying to sway you or any
other anti AMD fanatic either way. My beef is that people post sh** about
AMD CPUs on the usenet which is unsubstantiated and most often their
problems are directly related to their own ignorance and inability to
configure their own machines correctly. Example: When K7 motherboards
first came out it was stated plain as day that an approved 300W PS was
required yet I saw hundreds of postings from ignorant-asses ***ing that
AMD sucks because it didn't work on their underpowered 240W PS equiped
boards. Same thing when Super7 came out. People with no brains would run
their 66MHz memory at 100MHz FSB speed and then ***ed and complained all
over the usenet that AMD sucked because their PCs kept crashing.
Intel system might simply be more idiot friendly. That may be one of
Intel's last few benefits.
>>Use proper cooling? and don't overclock?
>>Throttling back when the cpu overheats *IS* a good thing. If i had
>>spent several hundred pouds on a cpu, I do not want it to die!
> Bollocks. If you read the article, which it seems most of you have
> not, you will see it is not a good thing and happens far too soon
> cauisng slow down in Quake3. The answer is using a smaller die and
> less power consumption, not hobbling the cpu.
No overclocking!
I know. Lets build a 3W nuclear reactor. That way, we won't have to worry
about cooling it as much, when we would if we built our 300MW nuclear
reactor.
--
brian
- Turn up the heat to reply -
I did. What I saw was lots of "maybes" and "perhapses" and other
statements waffling around the fact that they really don't have
many facts to go with their conclusions. So I'll ask again... is
there a problem with the CPU, or is this a mechanism to prevent
overheating... overheating which goes unnoticed/unreported with
the T-bird processors, perhaps?
Regards, JD
What, actually. I've read the article. I don't see these "facts"
you mention supporting their conclusions. Sorry.
Regards, JD
Oooo wee! Is there an agenda here? Are you perhaps a recent T-bird
buyer?
Regards, JD
Easy. Your CPU did not blow up. Good thing.... see?
The answer?... Get better cooling.
Regards, JD
Marc.
Todays temperature
>Regards, JD
>Regards, JD
>Regards, JD
rms
>No overclocking!
>I know. Lets build a 3W nuclear reactor. That way, we won't have to worry
>about cooling it as much, when we would if we built our 300MW nuclear
>reactor.
No, the answer is get a T-Bird and better cooling. That's what I did.
BTW, I have *always* bought Intel cpu's in the past and this is my
first AMD cpu so it's not like I'm being biased against Intel or any
such thing. My logic code just works better than yours.
--
eFalcon keyboard chart in PDF format
http://storm.prohosting.com/~nos146/ef4_keys.zip
Now don't start believing this compatibility FUD. The processor has got
nothing to do with being compatible with peripherals, they are mutually
exclusive. I've seen this FUD thrown around so often that it has to be
combatted. People can't just go around thinking that all of their problems
are as a result of the processor, just because they got no better ideas.
For every William Silvey, there are several more examples of people not
having problems. Whatever William ran into, it's because of his own
combination, not anything else. The only way this can be a trend is if there
are a lot of people who see the same problem. A William Silvey is not a
trend, by himself.
For example, I have a brand new Dell Latitude laptop right now that is
running Win2K, with a 700Mhz P3. It is having a problem with its powered
undocking mechanism, i.e. it won't accept the command to undock while it is
still powered up, despite the fact that this is one of its included
features. Dell's very helpful technical support (...not!) first suggested
that we upgrade to the latest W2K service pack 2. We did, and it helped in
one laptop out of six, unfortunately not mine. So we called Dell back, their
new suggestion is to reformat the hard drive and reinstall from scratch! So
this is our signal that we should now investigate this ourselves and not to
bother Dell's tech support. I'd say five out of six laptops is a trend, yet
what is the reason that one out of six does work?
Prior to this I had a Compaq Armada notebook with a P2-333Mhz processor. It
had little or no issues. The Dell is replacing the Compaq.
You will note that all of these examples are referring to "GenuineIntel"
processors, right? Well, welcome to the world of x86, where it's a ***
shoot how good your system is going to be. You don't throw your hands up in
the air and blame this on the processor, you go investigate, because you are
on your own when you got a PC.
Yousuf Khan
