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Don't buy that P4 just yet! :)

Neal Shifflet

Don't buy that P4 just yet! :)

by Neal Shifflet » Wed, 23 May 2001 02:18:09

On Mon, 21 May 2001 16:40:34 GMT, "Yousuf Khan"

<snip>

Hmm...So where is the CPU temp I'm seeing reported in the BIOS and in
my motherboard monitoring software coming from?

Neal

Neal "Headcrash" Shifflett

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"I know you think you understand what you thought I said, but I'm not sure what you heard was what I meant!"

Marty U'Re

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by Marty U'Re » Wed, 23 May 2001 02:36:23

Reminds me of the old Chevy / Ford 'debate'.

Chevy = Intel
Ford = Better Idea

[:-T

Marty


> http://www.inqst.com/articles/athlon4/0516main.htm

> rms


Yousuf Kha

Don't buy that P4 just yet! :)

by Yousuf Kha » Wed, 23 May 2001 03:14:33


> On Mon, 21 May 2001 16:40:34 GMT, "Yousuf Khan"

> >The existing Thunderbird Athlons don't have any thermal diodes in them.

> >        Yousuf Khan

> Hmm...So where is the CPU temp I'm seeing reported in the BIOS and in
> my motherboard monitoring software coming from?

The CPU temperature you are getting off of your motherboard is not coming
from the CPU core itself, but from a temperature sensor attached to the
socket that your CPU connects to.

So once newer revisions of motherboards come out with support for the
internal diode readings, then there is a possibility of more accurate
readings of the temperature of the core. But the current motherboard-based
CPU temperature readers are pretty good guideposts too.

    Yousuf Khan

Jagg

Don't buy that P4 just yet! :)

by Jagg » Wed, 23 May 2001 03:27:06

On Mon, 21 May 2001 18:14:33 GMT, "Yousuf Khan"


>The CPU temperature you are getting off of your motherboard is not coming
>from the CPU core itself, but from a temperature sensor attached to the
>socket that your CPU connects to.

>So once newer revisions of motherboards come out with support for the
>internal diode readings, then there is a possibility of more accurate
>readings of the temperature of the core. But the current motherboard-based
>CPU temperature readers are pretty good guideposts too.

>    Yousuf Khan

Yea, I've been wondering about this. People post their cpu temp
reading, but it must vary from mb manufacturer to maufacturer, unless
they all place the sensor in the exact same spot.

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M

Don't buy that P4 just yet! :)

by M » Wed, 23 May 2001 04:57:49


>Why would I feel insecure about purchasing a 1.33Ghz Tbird? It's stable,
>fast and cheap. What's not to like?

>Allan

1. It's all about your apps. I have to use Intel, and I would if I didn't
*have* because I feel safe there.

2. It's all about your preferences. I prefer stability on my non-game apps,
over game performance. P3 is better than AMD thingy for what I do.

3. It all works better than it did 2-3 years ago.

4. It all works way better than an Apple 2e.

:)

Pasha

M

Don't buy that P4 just yet! :)

by M » Wed, 23 May 2001 05:00:36


>Yea, but the big diffference here is that I have both AMD and Intel
>based computers here which gives my opinion a bit more validity and is
>less imparsialist than yours.

I've never seen JD post anything I didn't have to agree with, and I don't
consider him partial to a brand.

You can say he is, but you'd be missing the point.

Pasha

M

Don't buy that P4 just yet! :)

by M » Wed, 23 May 2001 05:02:44



>>Holy crap!  A post from somebody with some common sense and a reasonable
>>attitude.  What is this newsgroup coming to?  <g>

>Which post is that? You quoted two people.

He was talking about me.

=)

Pasha

Yousuf Kha

Don't buy that P4 just yet! :)

by Yousuf Kha » Wed, 23 May 2001 09:10:21


It doesn't really vary from motherboard manufacturer to manufacturer. They
all seem to be using the exact same pieces of silicon to obtain the CPU
temperatures. I think the chips usually come from either Winbond, or Dallas
Semiconductor, or something. The temperature really is taken off of the pins
of the CPU, rather than from within the core itself. Since the pins are
metallic and in direct contact with the CPU, chances are that they have a
good reading of the internal average temperature of the CPU.

    Yousuf Khan

Yousuf Kha

Don't buy that P4 just yet! :)

by Yousuf Kha » Wed, 23 May 2001 09:10:21


So the fact that AMD has been producing x86 processors for over twenty years
now, with an exemplenary record of compatibility, and the fact that it's got
nearly a 1/4 of the market for x86 processors doesn't help to make you feel
"safe"?

If that doesn't help, then all I can suggest is to buy a steel cage for your
work area, you'll feel plenty "safe" in there. :-)

    Yousuf Khan

JD

Don't buy that P4 just yet! :)

by JD » Wed, 23 May 2001 09:10:01


16:00:36 -0400, as he held forth on "Re: Don't buy that P4 just
yet!  :)"

I'm flattered!

And no folks... we are not the same person posting under different
\alphas\.

J + D = N, not M. <g>

Regards, JD

Jagg

Don't buy that P4 just yet! :)

by Jagg » Wed, 23 May 2001 16:09:45



>I'm flattered!

>And no folks... we are not the same person posting under different
>\alphas\.

>J + D = N, not M. <g>

>Regards, JD


The guy needs to read the Pied Piper of Hamelin.
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Jagg

Don't buy that P4 just yet! :)

by Jagg » Wed, 23 May 2001 21:12:37

More fodder for you guys that think this throttling is a good thing.

http://www.amdmb.com/index.php#News-1836

Pentium 4 Throttling - Lars - Sun, May 20, 2001 - 01:44 PM
 top
I was just over at JC's and saw he has posted some goodies.....one of
the things I really enjoyed was to read about the Intel Pentium
4.....because I feel people have the right to know the truth about any
products they buy.....and I find it fascinating that you can buy a
processor that will run at half speed occasionally...when you are
paying a small fortune for it....and when it's the flagship of the
company.....here's what JC had to say:

Hmmm .... Something interesting was uncovered by the clock throttling
brigade. Now, I'm still not sure that this is any reason to panic or
complain or anything, but it is acknowledged in an Intel whitepaper
(pdf) that the Pentium 4 is indeed expected to occasionally throttle
down fifty percent (but not often) even when proper cooling methods
are used. This effectively liberates analyst Bert McComas of InQuest,
whose detractors have stated that this 'throttling' only occurs with
improperly implemented cooling practices.

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Jagg

Don't buy that P4 just yet! :)

by Jagg » Tue, 22 May 2001 09:38:18



It's not to validate our purchase, it's to help potential purchasers
make a wiser choice. Let's face it, the cards are stacked against AMD
due to brand recognition, some of us want to see them do well because
they deserve to.
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M

Don't buy that P4 just yet! :)

by M » Thu, 24 May 2001 07:32:20


>So the fact that AMD has been producing x86 processors for over twenty
years
>now, with an exemplenary record of compatibility, and the fact that it's
got
>nearly a 1/4 of the market for x86 processors doesn't help to make you feel
>"safe"?

The manufacturers statement that my software is made to take advantage of
Intel's instructions, and the big list of things that cause problems that I
have read over the course of x# of years saying "AMD"...

Shit! No way dood!

I guess you don't know that I work submerged, in a viral fluid, with tiny
man-eating sharks.

=o0

I'd die! I'd need a glass bubble.

Pasha
-hamster trot-

M

Don't buy that P4 just yet! :)

by M » Thu, 24 May 2001 07:36:34


>And no folks... we are not the same person posting under different
>\alphas\.

>J + D = N, not M. <g>

>Regards, JD

We can't go on fooling everyone...

We are Bill Gates..... Vernon is the other leg, and the head..

Pasha
-what kind of mushrooms were in that salad?-


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