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New Nvidia Ref Drivers - Scores/FPS

Tom Pabs

New Nvidia Ref Drivers - Scores/FPS

by Tom Pabs » Sun, 16 Sep 2001 00:37:08

Thought you guys might like to see these new drivers in action?

Tom

*************************************************
3DMark200x Benchtest Scores vs Nvidia Ref Drivers
*************************************************

System #1 Specs
***************
 CPU: Intel PIII 800
 Mobo: Asus P3V4X, BIOS: 1.006 Beta 03
 Video: Creative GF2 ULTRA (260/480)
 RAM: 512 Mb (PC133)
 Chipset: VIA Apollo Pro 133A vers 4.29
 OpsSys: Win98SE
 DirectX: 8.0a


www.extremepcuk.com/guides/gfg/index.shtml
 Key BIOS Settings: AGP=2X, AGP-Aperture=64mb

 Nvidia Driver                  3DMark2000               N4
(Atlanta-static - OpenGL 1024x32)
 *************            **********               *******************
 12.00 Ref                       6093                            34.9 FPS
 12.00 Cert                       6165                            35.0 FPS
 14.10 Ref                       6064                            32.7 FPS
 21.81 Cert                       6210                            65.7 FPS

System #2 Specs
***************

 Mobo: MSI K7 Master, BIOS: 1.1
 Video: Hercules GF3 (210/510)
 RAM: 512 Mb (PC2100)
 Chipset: AMD AGP Miniport, vers 4.80
 OpsSys: Win98SE
 DirectX: 8.0a


www.extremepcuk.com/guides/gfg/index.shtml
 Key BIOS Settings: AGP=2X, AGP-Aperture=64mb

 Nvidia Driver                      3DMark2001                   N4
(Atlanta-static* - OpenGL 1024x32)
 *************                  **********
*******************
 12.00 Ref                               5427
90 FPS
 12.00 Cert                               5610
91 FPS
 12.40 Ref                               5413
90 FPS
 14.40 Ref                               6102
95 FPS
 21.81 Cert                               6732
104 FPS


graphics options-max, Test Session Mode-cockpit view, car static in pits -
take initial FPS reading)

Kirk Hous

New Nvidia Ref Drivers - Scores/FPS

by Kirk Hous » Sun, 16 Sep 2001 02:26:06

Whattt!  N4 more than doubles FPS???  Any chance we'll see D3D results??
Too bad they crash GPL :p


 14.10 Ref                       32.7 FPS
 21.81 Cert                      65.7 FPS

Kendt Eklu

New Nvidia Ref Drivers - Scores/FPS

by Kendt Eklu » Sun, 16 Sep 2001 07:45:53



[snip]

Umm - D3D settings per "speed max", and then you test N4 in OpenGL?
Is this just a typo?  Could the huge increase for the PIII-800 be due
to changed default OpenGL settings alone?
Not arguing with you, just the huge jump seems fishy, esp since the
FPS with earlier drivers seems *alot* less than folks were reporting

50-70FPS easy.

Kendt

Carol Bekke

New Nvidia Ref Drivers - Scores/FPS

by Carol Bekke » Sun, 16 Sep 2001 08:05:04

Looks like you have N4 linked to the Vsync there Tom.
Tom Pabs

New Nvidia Ref Drivers - Scores/FPS

by Tom Pabs » Sun, 16 Sep 2001 10:25:19

Sorry for the error in reporting the ExtremePC link......the "e" in front of
the word "extreme" should not be there (guess my fingers wanted to type it
correct anyway):  www.xtremepcuk.com/guides/gfg/index.shtml

To answer a few questions posted in one place:

1.  The "speed settings" for D3D are designed to run consistent scores on
3DMark200x (which runs in D3D, not OpenGL).  In addition, you would not want
to use these settings for actual "game play" since they do not produce a
quality 3D graphic, they are designed for speed..... not image quality.

2.  When benchmarking N4, I use the same settings on the video card as I use
for running N4....which for all Nvidia cards should be OpenGL.  I would not
find any purpose to benchmark my computers in D3D for N4...since I wouldn't
ever run N4 in D3D in the first place.  The picture quality is substantially
lower than the OpenGL API....along with frame rates in the 50 % range of the
OpenGL frame rates on the same system.  "Your mileage may vary."

3.  I have not experienced any change in the GPL image quality or frame
rate....and wouldn't have expected any really (the FPS in GPL is maxed at 36
FPS....both of my "race boxes" already max out at 36 FPS....with plenty of
head room I would expect).  I have not had any crashing in GPL, since the
new D3D rasterizer was released.  And, although I have only had these
21.81's installed for a few days.....there has been no crashes in the
approximate 2 hours I have used them in GPL so far........and I wouldn't
expect any.  I did test them for the presence of the OpenGL "black screen"
bug in GPL.....its still there.

4.  I too was surprised and suspicious of the frame rate jump on the PIII
800.  But, I have used the "static" N4 benchtest ever since N4 was released,
and I take care not to alter the video card settings from test to test.
However, I do not actually use the PIII 800 for sim racing.....so it is
possible the settings on a the video card were changed accidentally......but
I doubt it since I always check them before running the benchtest.  And,
certainly....I do not have Vsync turned on for any of the
benchtests....that's too obvious of a mistake to not catch.....and I
specifically check for this since a few Windows programs somehow manage to
change the Vsync settings from time to time (I have no clue how....but I
have seen my Vsync reset before....and I hadn't reset it).  I provided the
PIII 800 benchtest results because I have them recorded anyway.........for
anyone's use here on r.a.s. that has a similar computer.  The only
benchtests I really care about are on my race box....which is System #2 in
my report.

5.  You can not use benchtest scores to make direct comparisons between
video cards only (or video card drivers only) on otherwise different
computers.  You must compare "apples to apples" and that would include the
cpu platform and ops system, along with ram and chipset (including chipset
drivers).  The benchtests are valuable to me, because they tell me what and
how my computer's performance changed due to the addition of the new video
drivers (all else being identical to previous benchtest runs).  You can not
use them for that same purpose....to compare new drivers on my system....to
what new drivers on your system would perform like....not in terms of direct
comparison of test scores.  What you can ascertain.....is that if a new
driver increases frame rates on my system, and yours is similar, there's a
good chance it will do the same on yours.  That's all you can ascertain.

I've had several email asking what Nvidia "utility" I use for making the
card and screens settings.  I have been using Riva Turner for about six
months.......and like it better than NvMax....but the difference isn't
totally compelling.....its subtle.  You can find either of these and almost
any of the Nvidia reference driver sites.

I hope this provides a bit more detail for those who wanted it.  I didn't
originally include any of this stuff since in a way, that was kind of an
"off topic" post.  So I wanted to limit the dialogue on it.

Regards,

Tom

Carol Bekke

New Nvidia Ref Drivers - Scores/FPS

by Carol Bekke » Sun, 16 Sep 2001 10:47:52

Tom, I think you need to change a setting on your D3D stuff to let N4 run
without the Sync lock, your '50%' frame rate difference would improve a
little I feel.

George Majo

New Nvidia Ref Drivers - Scores/FPS

by George Majo » Sun, 16 Sep 2001 11:45:00

Big difference in the scores


> Thought you guys might like to see these new drivers in action?

> Tom

> *************************************************
> 3DMark200x Benchtest Scores vs Nvidia Ref Drivers
> *************************************************

> System #1 Specs
> ***************
>  CPU: Intel PIII 800
>  Mobo: Asus P3V4X, BIOS: 1.006 Beta 03
>  Video: Creative GF2 ULTRA (260/480)
>  RAM: 512 Mb (PC133)
>  Chipset: VIA Apollo Pro 133A vers 4.29
>  OpsSys: Win98SE
>  DirectX: 8.0a


> www.extremepcuk.com/guides/gfg/index.shtml
>  Key BIOS Settings: AGP=2X, AGP-Aperture=64mb

>  Nvidia Driver                  3DMark2000               N4
> (Atlanta-static - OpenGL 1024x32)
>  *************            **********               *******************
>  12.00 Ref                       6093                            34.9 FPS
>  12.00 Cert                       6165                            35.0 FPS
>  14.10 Ref                       6064                            32.7 FPS
>  21.81 Cert                       6210                            65.7 FPS

> System #2 Specs
> ***************

>  Mobo: MSI K7 Master, BIOS: 1.1
>  Video: Hercules GF3 (210/510)
>  RAM: 512 Mb (PC2100)
>  Chipset: AMD AGP Miniport, vers 4.80
>  OpsSys: Win98SE
>  DirectX: 8.0a


> www.extremepcuk.com/guides/gfg/index.shtml
>  Key BIOS Settings: AGP=2X, AGP-Aperture=64mb

>  Nvidia Driver                      3DMark2001                   N4
> (Atlanta-static* - OpenGL 1024x32)
>  *************                  **********
> *******************
>  12.00 Ref                               5427
> 90 FPS
>  12.00 Cert                               5610
> 91 FPS
>  12.40 Ref                               5413
> 90 FPS
>  14.40 Ref                               6102
> 95 FPS
>  21.81 Cert                               6732
> 104 FPS


> graphics options-max, Test Session Mode-cockpit view, car static in pits -
> take initial FPS reading)

Tom Pabs

New Nvidia Ref Drivers - Scores/FPS

by Tom Pabs » Tue, 18 Sep 2001 02:11:53

Carol....

And where is it that I would make that change (specifically, please)?

Tom

Tom Pabs

New Nvidia Ref Drivers - Scores/FPS

by Tom Pabs » Tue, 18 Sep 2001 02:15:50

Guys...

I made an error when running the PIII-800 (System #1) in N4.  I
inadvertently had my desktop set to 32 bit color, and when I changed the
resolution (graphic settings in N4) to 1024 res (I usually run that cpu at
1280) I didn't notice the res was 32.  After resetting it properly to 1024 x
16 bit (instead of 32 bit which is reported above) the FPS changed to 78
FPS.  I did not make this error on System #2's N4 readings....they stand as
reported.

Tom

Carol Bekke

New Nvidia Ref Drivers - Scores/FPS

by Carol Bekke » Tue, 18 Sep 2001 02:45:47

Well I would guess at the 'Additional GeForce 3 Properties' Open GL section,
under the 'Vertical Sync' option, select either 'Always Off' or 'Default
Off'


Thom j

New Nvidia Ref Drivers - Scores/FPS

by Thom j » Tue, 18 Sep 2001 02:54:51

Bad Tom P, Bad, Bad....
You give us all that great info & then poo-poo it!! hahaha too funny :)
sorry Tom I couldnt resist.. yea me bad too  :)~


| Guys...
|
| I made an error when running the PIII-800 (System #1) in N4.  I
| inadvertently had my desktop set to 32 bit color, and when I changed the
| resolution (graphic settings in N4) to 1024 res (I usually run that cpu at
| 1280) I didn't notice the res was 32.  After resetting it properly to 1024
x
| 16 bit (instead of 32 bit which is reported above) the FPS changed to 78
| FPS.  I did not make this error on System #2's N4 readings....they stand
as
| reported.
|
| Tom
|
|
|

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Dave Henri

New Nvidia Ref Drivers - Scores/FPS

by Dave Henri » Tue, 18 Sep 2001 03:20:41


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</whisper off/>
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Rafe McAulif

New Nvidia Ref Drivers - Scores/FPS

by Rafe McAulif » Tue, 18 Sep 2001 12:14:55

Ummm, I think he just stated plainly that he ALWAYS ensures that vsync
is disabled. ;)

All I can say is that is one hell of an improvement, based simply on
drivers.

Rafe Mc

On Sun, 16 Sep 2001 18:45:47 +0100, "Carol Bekker"


>Well I would guess at the 'Additional GeForce 3 Properties' Open GL section,
>under the 'Vertical Sync' option, select either 'Always Off' or 'Default
>Off'



>> Carol....

>> And where is it that I would make that change (specifically, please)?

>> Tom

Tom Pabs

New Nvidia Ref Drivers - Scores/FPS

by Tom Pabs » Tue, 18 Sep 2001 12:55:04

   LOL....Dave.......they make great drink coasters.....I've got a matched
set of 6 of them!

Too funny.......you are on a roll.....!

Tom

Tom Pabs

New Nvidia Ref Drivers - Scores/FPS

by Tom Pabs » Tue, 18 Sep 2001 12:57:10

Carol.....

This must be some kind of a joke?  Okay......I give!  What's the punch line?

Tom


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