rec.autos.simulators

Carol.....

I guess I just didn't understand why you would ask me....or point out (as
you say) something that is to me......a pretty stupid question.  So,
assuming you weren't that stupid.....I was trying to find out why I didn't
understand what you were posting...or what you were getting at.

Now, before you yell at me for calling you "stupid"  Let me point out that I
only called your question "stupid."  No you.

It seems to me you can evaluate how smart the question was.....on your own?
Let me ask you:  Don't you think someone who regularly benchmarks their
computer (two of them) and tables the results in a way that he/she can
retrieve them regularly.......is on top of the Nvidia driver release in such
a way that within 36 hours of their release.....he/she is reporting
benchmark scores.....would probably know enough (and have a system or
checklists) to make sure he/she does the benchmark testing with consistent
settings?  I might make a mistake on one test.....and that would be
caught.....wouldn't it.....just by common sense that if I see a result that
is really out of line.....I'd double check everything - three times maybe?
Don't you think I fully understood would a huge jump in FPS that was?  Of
course I did......I even went back and reinstalled the 14.10's just to make
sure I didn't***those tests up somehow.  I do use a "checklist" to set
up the benchtests.....I could get distracted...and***something up....but
I will catch it usually.  I certainly would make a silly mistake....for six
months straight!

To make you just silly happy......I turned Vsync lock on.......and the FPS
is still 63 FPS (N4).  The monitor on System #1 is a 21" NEC, I run the
desktop at 1280 res....85mhz refresh rate.  At that refresh rate, there's
plenty of headroom for most of the racing sims I run.....more than
enough....even if I did have vsync turned on (which I don't).

To me, your question was tantamount to asking:  "Hey Tom, are you sure you
have your computer plugged in?"  Sorry....it was a stupid question.

Regards,

Tom

Yes, but the point it the N4 benchmark as you call it is not a good tes, as
yousay youself you turned VSYNC on and it made no difference, which would
lead me to believe that somehow N4 or something insists on VSYNCS on your
machine, I put those drivers on my machines here (all 4 of them) and did not
get the 100% increase in framerate you get. Its just the figures you gave
are exactly the figures to be expected with a VSYNC locked program, and are
the numbers I get when I run my products.

I didnt consider the question stupid, I was only trying to help, you may
have a massive amount of experience in games and benchmarking, but I wager I
have a little more. Only trying to help.

Tom,

*Now* I know why you need a 20 line limit on your replies!!!

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ed_

Okay, Carol.....let's pass by the original "question" (it would have been
nice if you offered some explanation for your suggestion......instead of
just the "plain Jane"...statement with no support....but let's get past that
for now).

I'm not following your logic on this......if N4 was somehow locking my
system into permanent "Vsync=On" mode (and I don't have any indication that
there is a way for N4 to even do that....that setting is not in any .ini
file I can find).....why would it do this on only one of my
computers.....not both (or everyone else's for that matter)?  And, taking
that further.....why would the 21.81's all of a sudden over-ride this
phantom bug in N4....on one system but not the other?  Sorry.....but while
"anything is possible" in the world of computers.....this is so far
fetched....I'd hardly consider it making my top 100 list of possible causes.
Also, why would my N4 FPS return to previous levels when I reinstalled the
14.10's....if your "logic" here can hold any water?

I'm always suspicious of anyone here (or on VROC or in HG Forums)....who
offers implausible answers and suggestion, and never substantiates them with
their own data or reasoning.  It reminds me of the guys in VROC a couple
years back who had upgraded to V3 cards and claimed they could run GPL at
1280 res....with all detail sliders on "max"....full high-res***pits and
wheels....AND tracks......full AI field of 18......and their FPS was
permanently pegged at 36 FPS.....on a PIII 450!  And they'd swear to God to
everyone in VROC that they weren't blowing smoke!  Yeah, right.

So Carol, post your 3DMark 200X scores.....along with your N4 bench scores
(which ever one you have chosen to use), the complete system specs and so
forth..... on all four computers you claim to have (with driver versions for
video, mobo BIOS and chipset)....for the last 6 months....and let us look at
the data you are claiming to have.....that substantiates your claim of some
phantom N4 Vsync lock bug or something?  Can you do that for us?

And....if you work for Papy....and are aware that this kind of bug
exists....and you are hiding it (and the fact you work for them).....make
sure we don't find out.

Regards,

Tom

Ed....

Sometimes "verbose" is required.....that was one of them.

Tom
....lol.....

PS:  Did you gain any FPS in N4?

Tom