rec.autos.simulators

by **David L. Coo** » Thu, 06 Sep 2001 21:01:52

I was a little depressed when browsing the release dates at High Gear, then
I decided to give a read to the "Hands On" regarding Rally Trophy at
http://www.racesimcentral.net/
November. Damn this looks promising!

Developers: IMHO the key to realistic phisycs is in the drivers POV.
Create a 6 DOF POV and you will nail it. All the talk about physics, and
how they are still under development makes me apprehensive. We at RAS have
heard that a thousand times before.

Will the game support the Act Labs RS Shifter? How is the Force Feedback?
Analog Clutch? Just a few of my questions...

With the graphics I see and from what I hear the killer sounds, the only
question is how it will FEEL. The in-car screenshot looks good too! Man
what a surprise this would be!!!

David Cook

by **GBB** » Thu, 06 Sep 2001 21:55:29

From what I've read on the net from people that have the peview version it's
no GPL beater in the physics department, I've seen the physics described as
a little arcadeish but with a very nice 'feel'.

Alex

by **Thore Sorense** » Thu, 06 Sep 2001 22:20:08

>From what I've read on the net from people that have the peview version it's
>no GPL beater in the physics department, I've seen the physics described as
>a little arcadeish but with a very nice 'feel'.

Then it will suit me..:) if that means it's just a little RM'ish....
GPL isn't all, you know...I can't get under 1:44 on Monza...:( but I
feel I am decent competition in RM online..:) still with keyboard..:)

--
Med venlig hilsen / Best regards
Thore Sorensen - DK-2700 Bronshoj

by **Scott B. Huste** » Thu, 06 Sep 2001 23:05:03

The preview copy is not bad at all for what it is. From the best of my
knowledge, only the NOVICE level physics are enabled in the preview copy I
have (When you set a different level of physics and go back into the menu,
its always defaulted to NOVICE) and they aren't that bad really. So if the
more advanced level physics are done well, this could be an excellent sim.

Even as early a working version that the preview copy is, it's better than
some final products I have seen. ;)

Scott
PA-Scott
http://www.PowerSimsMag.com

> >From what I've read on the net from people that have the peview version
it's
> >no GPL beater in the physics department, I've seen the physics described
as
> >a little arcadeish but with a very nice 'feel'.

> Then it will suit me..:) if that means it's just a little RM'ish....
> GPL isn't all, you know...I can't get under 1:44 on Monza...:( but I
> feel I am decent competition in RM online..:) still with keyboard..:)

> --
> Med venlig hilsen / Best regards
> Thore Sorensen - DK-2700 Bronshoj

by **Ilari Lehtine** » Thu, 06 Sep 2001 23:24:12

Remember, one cannot compare pure asphalt-breed racecars with silly
power-to-weight ratios to 60's and 70's rallycars. If it felt like GPL, it
wouldn't be right because it isn't GPL.
If you got to drive a real old F1 and a real old rallycar, you'd have much
easier life behind the rallycar's wheel :)

We definitely won't make the physics overcritical for GPL fans, as we want
it to suit everyone. From my experience with FWD and RWD cars (not F1's,
mind you ;), RT feels pretty real. It's still really easy to find your car
from an entirely different spot than you aimed at if you're not careful with
the throttle.

And hey, Paddy Hopkirk liked it.

-Ilari

> From what I've read on the net from people that have the peview version
it's
> no GPL beater in the physics department, I've seen the physics described
as
> a little arcadeish but with a very nice 'feel'.

> Alex

> > I was a little depressed when browsing the release dates at High Gear,
> then
> > I decided to give a read to the "Hands On" regarding Rally Trophy at
> > http://www.sportplanet.com/hg/article.php?page=1&id=40 due to be
released
> in
> > November. Damn this looks promising!

> > Developers: IMHO the key to realistic phisycs is in the drivers POV.
> > Create a 6 DOF POV and you will nail it. All the talk about physics,
and
> > how they are still under development makes me apprehensive. We at RAS
> have
> > heard that a thousand times before.

> > Will the game support the Act Labs RS Shifter? How is the Force
Feedback?
> > Analog Clutch? Just a few of my questions...

> > With the graphics I see and from what I hear the killer sounds, the only
> > question is how it will FEEL. The in-car screenshot looks good too!
Man
> > what a surprise this would be!!!

> > David Cook

by **David L. Coo** » Thu, 06 Sep 2001 23:35:11

Ilari -

Does the driver's point of view move up-down-forward-backward-left and right
(6DOF POV)? If you nail that, the rest will fall into place IMHO.

- David

by **Goy Larse** » Thu, 06 Sep 2001 23:43:03

> Remember, one cannot compare pure asphalt-breed racecars with silly
> power-to-weight ratios to 60's and 70's rallycars. If it felt like GPL, it
> wouldn't be right because it isn't GPL.
> If you got to drive a real old F1 and a real old rallycar, you'd have much
> easier life behind the rallycar's wheel :)

> We definitely won't make the physics overcritical for GPL fans, as we want
> it to suit everyone. From my experience with FWD and RWD cars (not F1's,
> mind you ;), RT feels pretty real. It's still really easy to find your car
> from an entirely different spot than you aimed at if you're not careful with
> the throttle.

Ok, but can you answer one thing then, the press copy that you guys ship
out, is it in fact locked in "novice" model ?

Or has the driving model moved on a bit from the build .52 we got
perhaps ?

Because being one of the persons who did the Preview for "The Pits", I
still think the physics are a bit simplified, not arcadeish or anything
like that, but it most certainly flatters the driver, if not, I'm going
to apply for a position as driver with the ProDrive Subaru Team :-),
Richard Burns, move over, there's another Norwegian coming :-)

Don't get me wrong, I most certainly like it, and will buy it and I
happen to believe it has tons of potential and will more than likely be
the best Rally Sim released to date, but my previous road car was
something akin to the Escort Mk1 in the preview, namely an Opel Manta
with about the same HP, which we used both for track days and "forest
stages", all unofficial of course :-), and there's no way I could have
driven that car in the same way I could drive the Escort

All FORD fans shut up, the Escort might be a better Rally car than my
Manta was, but it was good enough for comparison at least :-)

Yeah, and Mark Blundell liked CPR :-)

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

"The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/

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by **Thore Sorense** » Thu, 06 Sep 2001 23:59:40

On Wed, 5 Sep 2001 17:24:12 +0300, "Ilari Lehtinen"

>If you got to drive a real old F1 and a real old rallycar, you'd have much
>easier life behind the rallycar's wheel :)

And much more fun powersliding on those non-tarmac roads..:)
If its good enough for ol'Paddy, its sure enjoyable for (most of ) the
readers of r.a.s...:)

--
Med venlig hilsen / Best regards
Thore Sorensen - DK-2700 Bronshoj

by **Andre Warring** » Fri, 07 Sep 2001 01:48:58

<Snip>

I'm looking forward to this one too.. graphics look superb and the
choice of cars is great.
Buuuut someone who's opinion I respect very much tested the Alpha
version and was completely disappointed with it. Quite a bummer when I
read his report, reminded me of myself when I tried SoS37 for the
first time after all the hype.
I was really surprised because the guys from Bugbear do seem to know
how it should be done.

So let's hope the Alpha version was nothing like the final version.
Rally Trophy should be a winner.. the concept is too good to turn it
into another SoS37 disappointment.

Please don't let me down Bugbear.. please :))

Andre

by **John Bod** » Fri, 07 Sep 2001 02:48:12

It's not "arcadish" at all -- some of the physics paramters may be a
bit overdone (the brakes seem a bit too effective at this point), but
the preview version doesn't have all the bells and whistles, so I'm
willing to bet that the final version is MUCH better . . . and the
preview is very, VERY good.

It doesn't remind me of any sim, FWIW -- what it reminds me of is
blasting along the gravel-and-asphalt backroads of my youth in my '72
Opel Manta. As someone else said, you just can't compare the cars
being modeled with a 1967 Grand Prix car . . . but compared to what
they're supposed to be modeling, RT may well be up in the GPL league.

-- JB

>From what I've read on the net from people that have the peview version it's
>no GPL beater in the physics department, I've seen the physics described as
>a little arcadeish but with a very nice 'feel'.

>Alex

>> I was a little depressed when browsing the release dates at High Gear,
>then
>> I decided to give a read to the "Hands On" regarding Rally Trophy at
>> http://www.sportplanet.com/hg/article.php?page=1&id=40 due to be released
>in
>> November. Damn this looks promising!

>> Developers: IMHO the key to realistic phisycs is in the drivers POV.
>> Create a 6 DOF POV and you will nail it. All the talk about physics, and
>> how they are still under development makes me apprehensive. We at RAS
>have
>> heard that a thousand times before.

>> Will the game support the Act Labs RS Shifter? How is the Force Feedback?
>> Analog Clutch? Just a few of my questions...

>> With the graphics I see and from what I hear the killer sounds, the only
>> question is how it will FEEL. The in-car screenshot looks good too! Man
>> what a surprise this would be!!!

>> David Cook

by **John Bod** » Fri, 07 Sep 2001 02:56:06

Ah! Another former Opel Manta owner! GREAT fun!

FWIW, I agree that I couldn't have driven my Manta like I can the
Escort in RT, but I believe the Escort has a bit more horsepower than
my Manta did. I am also taking into account the fact that the Escort
that's modeled in RT is actually a rally-prepared car, not a roadgoing
car like my old Manta. All things considered, I'd still rate RT
pretty high compared to my own real-life experiences in my Manta.

Also FWIW, I will be posting my own preview on the BHMS site soon
(shortly after I get done with the F1 2001 preview).

;-)

-- JB

>> Remember, one cannot compare pure asphalt-breed racecars with silly
>> power-to-weight ratios to 60's and 70's rallycars. If it felt like GPL, it
>> wouldn't be right because it isn't GPL.
>> If you got to drive a real old F1 and a real old rallycar, you'd have much
>> easier life behind the rallycar's wheel :)

>> We definitely won't make the physics overcritical for GPL fans, as we want
>> it to suit everyone. From my experience with FWD and RWD cars (not F1's,
>> mind you ;), RT feels pretty real. It's still really easy to find your car
>> from an entirely different spot than you aimed at if you're not careful with
>> the throttle.

>Ok, but can you answer one thing then, the press copy that you guys ship
>out, is it in fact locked in "novice" model ?

>Or has the driving model moved on a bit from the build .52 we got
>perhaps ?

>Because being one of the persons who did the Preview for "The Pits", I
>still think the physics are a bit simplified, not arcadeish or anything
>like that, but it most certainly flatters the driver, if not, I'm going
>to apply for a position as driver with the ProDrive Subaru Team :-),
>Richard Burns, move over, there's another Norwegian coming :-)

>Don't get me wrong, I most certainly like it, and will buy it and I
>happen to believe it has tons of potential and will more than likely be
>the best Rally Sim released to date, but my previous road car was
>something akin to the Escort Mk1 in the preview, namely an Opel Manta
>with about the same HP, which we used both for track days and "forest
>stages", all unofficial of course :-), and there's no way I could have
>driven that car in the same way I could drive the Escort

>All FORD fans shut up, the Escort might be a better Rally car than my
>Manta was, but it was good enough for comparison at least :-)

>> And hey, Paddy Hopkirk liked it.

>Yeah, and Mark Blundell liked CPR :-)

>Beers and cheers
>(uncle) Goy

>"The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/

>* Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way *
>"Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

by **John Bod** » Fri, 07 Sep 2001 02:57:08

You won't be disappointed, Andre -- trust me!

;-)

-- JB

On Wed, 05 Sep 2001 16:48:58 GMT, Andre Warringa

>>I was a little depressed when browsing the release dates at High Gear, then
>>I decided to give a read to the "Hands On" regarding Rally Trophy at
>>http://www.sportplanet.com/hg/article.php?page=1&id=40 due to be released in
>>November. Damn this looks promising!
><Snip>

>I'm looking forward to this one too.. graphics look superb and the
>choice of cars is great.
>Buuuut someone who's opinion I respect very much tested the Alpha
>version and was completely disappointed with it. Quite a bummer when I
>read his report, reminded me of myself when I tried SoS37 for the
>first time after all the hype.
>I was really surprised because the guys from Bugbear do seem to know
>how it should be done.

>So let's hope the Alpha version was nothing like the final version.
>Rally Trophy should be a winner.. the concept is too good to turn it
>into another SoS37 disappointment.

>Please don't let me down Bugbear.. please :))

>Andre

by **John Bod** » Fri, 07 Sep 2001 04:41:19

The answer is a resounding "yes" -- in a very realistic manner, too.
All that is needed for the experience to be complete, in fact, is for
my wife to stand behind me with a cookie sheet and smack me over the
head occasionally to properly simulate my head hitting the roof of the
car!

;-)

-- JB

On Wed, 5 Sep 2001 10:35:11 -0400, "David L. Cook"

>Ilari -

>Does the driver's point of view move up-down-forward-backward-left and right
>(6DOF POV)? If you nail that, the rest will fall into place IMHO.

>- David

>> Remember, one cannot compare pure asphalt-breed racecars with silly
>> power-to-weight ratios to 60's and 70's rallycars. If it felt like GPL, it
>> wouldn't be right because it isn't GPL.
>> If you got to drive a real old F1 and a real old rallycar, you'd have much
>> easier life behind the rallycar's wheel :)

>> We definitely won't make the physics overcritical for GPL fans, as we want
>> it to suit everyone. From my experience with FWD and RWD cars (not F1's,
>> mind you ;), RT feels pretty real. It's still really easy to find your car
>> from an entirely different spot than you aimed at if you're not careful
>with
>> the throttle.

>> And hey, Paddy Hopkirk liked it.

>> -Ilari

by **Ilari Lehtine** » Fri, 07 Sep 2001 04:34:53

Driver is thrown about inside, and camera moves accordingly. :)

-Ilari

> Ilari -

> Does the driver's point of view move up-down-forward-backward-left and right
> (6DOF POV)? If you nail that, the rest will fall into place IMHO.

> - David

by **Ilari Lehtine** » Fri, 07 Sep 2001 04:40:19

It was build 0.52 you had? Ok, we're running 0.73 at work right now :).
I don't remember what changes have taken place after your version but
physics tweaks and road surface parameters have changed for sure.

-Ilari

> Ok, but can you answer one thing then, the press copy that you guys ship
> out, is it in fact locked in "novice" model ?

> Or has the driving model moved on a bit from the build .52 we got
> perhaps ?

> Because being one of the persons who did the Preview for "The Pits", I
> still think the physics are a bit simplified, not arcadeish or anything
> like that, but it most certainly flatters the driver, if not, I'm going
> to apply for a position as driver with the ProDrive Subaru Team :-),
> Richard Burns, move over, there's another Norwegian coming :-)

> Don't get me wrong, I most certainly like it, and will buy it and I
> happen to believe it has tons of potential and will more than likely be
> the best Rally Sim released to date, but my previous road car was
> something akin to the Escort Mk1 in the preview, namely an Opel Manta
> with about the same HP, which we used both for track days and "forest
> stages", all unofficial of course :-), and there's no way I could have
> driven that car in the same way I could drive the Escort

> All FORD fans shut up, the Escort might be a better Rally car than my
> Manta was, but it was good enough for comparison at least :-)

> > And hey, Paddy Hopkirk liked it.

> Yeah, and Mark Blundell liked CPR :-)

> Beers and cheers
> (uncle) Goy

> "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/

> * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way *
> "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

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