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Rally Trophy - The next GPL?

himrli..

Rally Trophy - The next GPL?

by himrli.. » Fri, 07 Sep 2001 09:07:39

Well, Andre, do any of us "deserve" love?  Hell,
if that's how love got distributed...

Let's just say *I* fell in love with SoS, for
whatever reason, and misled poor, innocent John...
:)

I'm sure once Rally Trophy is released he'll be
much better...

On Wed, 05 Sep 2001 23:34:21 GMT, Andre Warringa



>>I'll take credit/responsibility/blame for John's
>>good words on SoS.  No question -- NONE -- that
>>out of the box, SoS is a STINKER.  But give it a
>>little love and a decent configuration utility,

>It didn't deserve my love :)

>Andre

>>and it's like a stray cat that steals your heart,
>>your watch (thanks for the swell toy!), your food
>>(you're not eating that, right?), etc.  No
>>question, SoS is an admittedly quirky taste.  

>>I suspect, however, that Rally Trophy is going to
>>be a purebred that sets the next standard for what
>>driving titles are supposed to be about.  At least
>>that's what I'm hoping.

>>Remove "hi" from address or it will bounce....

Remove "hi" from address or it will bounce....
Goy Larse

Rally Trophy - The next GPL?

by Goy Larse » Fri, 07 Sep 2001 16:37:54


> It was build 0.52 you had? Ok, we're running 0.73 at work right now :).
> I don't remember what changes have taken place after your version but
> physics tweaks and road surface parameters have changed for sure.

Cool :-)

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Rally Trophy - The next GPL?

by Goy Larse » Fri, 07 Sep 2001 16:39:54


> I had an '73 Opel "GT" back in mid seventies.  Great little car!  I sold it
> to a girl who could barely see over the dash - so I gave her a phone book to
> sit on - TRUE!

Hey, pretty car indeed, "poor mans Shebly Daytona Coupe" :-)

I was impressed by the high tech mechanism for raising the headlights
btw...:-)

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Rally Trophy - The next GPL?

by Goy Larse » Fri, 07 Sep 2001 16:43:56




> >> You won't be disappointed, Andre -- trust me!

> >Don't trust him Andre, trust me......you won't be disappointed :-)

> Great, am I the only one here who is NOT beta-testing Rally Trophy??
> :)

ROFL, not beta testing, previewing......:-)

I'd love to test a more recent build though, the early one we got showed
so much promise I can't wait for this thing to be finished, or in this
case Finnished ? :-)

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Rally Trophy - The next GPL?

by Goy Larse » Fri, 07 Sep 2001 16:45:41


> Yeah, but Paddy could actually drive ;)

ROFL, good one, even though I disagree, not about Paddy but about poor
old Mark, oh well, that's for another thread I guess :-)

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Remco Moe

Rally Trophy - The next GPL?

by Remco Moe » Fri, 07 Sep 2001 19:56:50

Hi Ilari,

Can you tell us more about the tyre model and surfaces in RT? Is it,
for example,  possible to lock the wheel on the grass, while the other
wheels on the tarmac are still rotating? And will a RWD car break out
when you're on the throttle too early when exiting a corner?

Looking forward to your answers,

Remco

Stephen Smit

Rally Trophy - The next GPL?

by Stephen Smit » Fri, 07 Sep 2001 20:51:13

I've driven RT's predecessors, and the best thing I can say abt. RT is that
it won't mess you up for GPL.  Most sims, once you've driven them for a few
hours, require a period of readjustment before you can drive GPL again.  Not
to say RT's physics are the same--they ain't--but they come from the same
'school'.  Also, there will be different levels, maybe even tweakable in an
.ini file, so you can adjust the traction for different textures (grass,
usw.).

The worst thing abt. its predecessors was that the game's scoring cheats.
It should be the easiest thing for a computer to do to keep track of the
times, but I gave up when I was ahead at each checkpoint (often by a huge
margin), only to place 32nd overall (and 16th in class, or whatever) for the
whole stage.  Life is full of frustrations; I didn't need this one.

--Steve Smith



Stephen Smit

Rally Trophy - The next GPL?

by Stephen Smit » Fri, 07 Sep 2001 22:01:15

And, yes, you will be able to use Act Labs' stuff, split pedals, etc.  These
guys are very controller-savvy.  But, jeez, if they're gonna do retro rally
cars, why didn't they do that fabuloso Lancia Stratos?

--Steve


> I've driven RT's predecessors, and the best thing I can say abt. RT is
that
> it won't mess you up for GPL.  Most sims, once you've driven them for a
few
> hours, require a period of readjustment before you can drive GPL again.
Not
> to say RT's physics are the same--they ain't--but they come from the same
> 'school'.  Also, there will be different levels, maybe even tweakable in
an
> .ini file, so you can adjust the traction for different textures (grass,
> usw.).

> The worst thing abt. its predecessors was that the game's scoring cheats.
> It should be the easiest thing for a computer to do to keep track of the
> times, but I gave up when I was ahead at each checkpoint (often by a huge
> margin), only to place 32nd overall (and 16th in class, or whatever) for
the
> whole stage.  Life is full of frustrations; I didn't need this one.

> --Steve Smith



> > I was a little depressed when browsing the release dates at High Gear,
> then
> > I decided to give a read to the "Hands On" regarding Rally Trophy at
> > http://www.sportplanet.com/hg/article.php?page=1&id=40 due to be
released
> in
> > November.  Damn this looks promising!

> > Developers:  IMHO the key to realistic phisycs is in the drivers POV.
> > Create a 6 DOF POV and you will nail it.  All the talk about physics,
and
> > how they are still under development makes me apprehensive.  We at RAS
> have
> > heard that a thousand times before.

> > Will the game support the Act Labs RS Shifter?  How is the Force
Feedback?
> > Analog Clutch?  Just a few of my questions...

> > With the graphics I see and from what I hear the killer sounds, the only
> > question is how it will FEEL.  The in-car screenshot looks good too!
Man
> > what a surprise this would be!!!

> > David Cook

Ilari Lehtine

Rally Trophy - The next GPL?

by Ilari Lehtine » Fri, 07 Sep 2001 22:14:06

Stratos is in the game, where did you read it wasn't? :)

-Ilari, texturing Stratos while writing this..


> And, yes, you will be able to use Act Labs' stuff, split pedals, etc.
These
> guys are very controller-savvy.  But, jeez, if they're gonna do retro
rally
> cars, why didn't they do that fabuloso Lancia Stratos?

> --Steve



> > I've driven RT's predecessors, and the best thing I can say abt. RT is
> that
> > it won't mess you up for GPL.  Most sims, once you've driven them for a
> few
> > hours, require a period of readjustment before you can drive GPL again.
> Not
> > to say RT's physics are the same--they ain't--but they come from the
same
> > 'school'.  Also, there will be different levels, maybe even tweakable in
> an
> > .ini file, so you can adjust the traction for different textures (grass,
> > usw.).

> > The worst thing abt. its predecessors was that the game's scoring
cheats.
> > It should be the easiest thing for a computer to do to keep track of the
> > times, but I gave up when I was ahead at each checkpoint (often by a
huge
> > margin), only to place 32nd overall (and 16th in class, or whatever) for
> the
> > whole stage.  Life is full of frustrations; I didn't need this one.

> > --Steve Smith



> > > I was a little depressed when browsing the release dates at High Gear,
> > then
> > > I decided to give a read to the "Hands On" regarding Rally Trophy at
> > > http://www.sportplanet.com/hg/article.php?page=1&id=40 due to be
> released
> > in
> > > November.  Damn this looks promising!

> > > Developers:  IMHO the key to realistic phisycs is in the drivers POV.
> > > Create a 6 DOF POV and you will nail it.  All the talk about physics,
> and
> > > how they are still under development makes me apprehensive.  We at RAS
> > have
> > > heard that a thousand times before.

> > > Will the game support the Act Labs RS Shifter?  How is the Force
> Feedback?
> > > Analog Clutch?  Just a few of my questions...

> > > With the graphics I see and from what I hear the killer sounds, the
only
> > > question is how it will FEEL.  The in-car screenshot looks good too!
> Man
> > > what a surprise this would be!!!

> > > David Cook

Goy Larse

Rally Trophy - The next GPL?

by Goy Larse » Fri, 07 Sep 2001 22:26:07


> And, yes, you will be able to use Act Labs' stuff, split pedals, etc.  These
> guys are very controller-savvy.  But, jeez, if they're gonna do retro rally
> cars, why didn't they do that fabuloso Lancia Stratos?

Ah, another Lancisti or just a fan of the Stratos ? :-)

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Stephen Smit

Rally Trophy - The next GPL?

by Stephen Smit » Sat, 08 Sep 2001 01:14:05

Goy, Ilari,

Just knocked out by the short-coupled Stratos (Lancia hasn't made a decent
car since the DeDion-ed Aurelia of the 50s).  Must've missed the Stratos in
the game specs.  Still dead keen on RT however.  When's it released?

--Steve



> > And, yes, you will be able to use Act Labs' stuff, split pedals, etc.
These
> > guys are very controller-savvy.  But, jeez, if they're gonna do retro
rally
> > cars, why didn't they do that fabuloso Lancia Stratos?

> Ah, another Lancisti or just a fan of the Stratos ? :-)

> Beers and cheers
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Andre Warring

Rally Trophy - The next GPL?

by Andre Warring » Sat, 08 Sep 2001 01:18:45



>LOL!  Touche on the Ford Racing and SoS comment!! <G>

>As for the rest, yes, there are a few -- WSC being among them . . .

>:-(

>Poor, poor, pitiful me, eh?

>;-)

Man what an evil looking smiley :)
So, how about that F2001 preview? Very curious about this one..

Andre

Goy Larse

Rally Trophy - The next GPL?

by Goy Larse » Sat, 08 Sep 2001 02:06:29


> Goy, Ilari,

> Just knocked out by the short-coupled Stratos (Lancia hasn't made a decent
> car since the DeDion-ed Aurelia of the 50s).  snip

You don't think the Fulvia Coupe is a decent car ???

Oh the horror of it all

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John Bod

Rally Trophy - The next GPL?

by John Bod » Sat, 08 Sep 2001 02:40:44

Ilari,

Can you verify for me whether or not the skill level is locked at
Novice in the 0.52 version?  I would like to know this for my preview
for the Blackhole Motorsports site.

TIA!

-- JB

On Wed, 05 Sep 2001 22:40:19 +0300, Ilari Lehtinen


>It was build 0.52 you had? Ok, we're running 0.73 at work right now :).
>I don't remember what changes have taken place after your version but
>physics tweaks and road surface parameters have changed for sure.

>-Ilari


>> Ok, but can you answer one thing then, the press copy that you guys ship
>> out, is it in fact locked in "novice" model ?

>> Or has the driving model moved on a bit from the build .52 we got
>> perhaps ?

>> Because being one of the persons who did the Preview for "The Pits", I
>> still think the physics are a bit simplified, not arcadeish or anything
>> like that, but it most certainly flatters the driver, if not, I'm going
>> to apply for a position as driver with the ProDrive Subaru Team :-),
>> Richard Burns, move over, there's another Norwegian coming :-)

>> Don't get me wrong, I most certainly like it, and will buy it and I
>> happen to believe it has tons of potential and will more than likely be
>> the best Rally Sim released to date, but my previous road car was
>> something akin to the Escort Mk1 in the preview, namely an Opel Manta
>> with about the same HP, which we used both for track days and "forest
>> stages", all unofficial of course :-), and there's no way I could have
>> driven that car in the same way I could drive the Escort

>> All FORD fans shut up, the Escort might be a better Rally car than my
>> Manta was, but it was good enough for comparison at least  :-)

>> > And hey, Paddy Hopkirk liked it.

>> Yeah, and Mark Blundell liked CPR :-)

>> Beers and cheers
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John Bod

Rally Trophy - The next GPL?

by John Bod » Sat, 08 Sep 2001 02:43:43

Consider yourself lucky, Andre -- you're now a member of a VERY elite
group . . . you are apparently one of the few "elitist snobs" who
AREN'T doing a preview of Rally Trophy!

:-p

;-)

-- JB

On Wed, 05 Sep 2001 21:15:11 GMT, Andre Warringa




>>> You won't be disappointed, Andre -- trust me!

>>Don't trust him Andre, trust me......you won't be disappointed :-)

>Great, am I the only one here who is NOT beta-testing Rally Trophy??
>:)

>Andre

>>Beers and cheers
>>(uncle) Goy

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