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by **John Bod** » Sat, 08 Sep 2001 02:45:19

The preview's finished, and I have sent my screen shots off to EA for
approval -- once I get that approval, the preview and screen shots
will be submitted to the BHMS site. So hopefully you'll be able to
see it in the next few days . . .

;-)

-- JB

On Thu, 06 Sep 2001 16:18:45 GMT, Andre Warringa

>>LOL! Touche on the Ford Racing and SoS comment!! <G>

>>As for the rest, yes, there are a few -- WSC being among them . . .

>>:-(

>>Poor, poor, pitiful me, eh?

>>;-)

>Man what an evil looking smiley :)
>So, how about that F2001 preview? Very curious about this one..

>Andre

by **Goy Larse** » Sat, 08 Sep 2001 02:53:23

> Ilari,

> Can you verify for me whether or not the skill level is locked at
> Novice in the 0.52 version? I would like to know this for my preview
> for the Blackhole Motorsports site.

Can't you just copy ours ? :-)

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

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by **John Bod** » Sat, 08 Sep 2001 02:57:09

Actually, SoS is one of those titles that DEMANDS love -- I have a
love for the old Deusenbergs and Millers of that era, so I am MUCH
more willing than most to suspend my disbelief enough to make SoS work
for me. If you have no interest in the era, and if you didn't
DESPERATELY want to like the SoS demo even after you tried it a few
times, then it will probably never hold any appeal for you. <G>

As for Ford Racing, I really liked the graphics (nicely-done and very
realistic-looking overall), and I KNOW I can detect a
nicely-functional physics engine at work there, but the sounds do not
match up with the actions of the physics engine, which creates a MAJOR
disconnect there. Add in bad control authority and the resultant
end-product is a poor game that looks like it could have been a good
little sim.

:-(

;-)

-- JB

>I'll take credit/responsibility/blame for John's
>good words on SoS. No question -- NONE -- that
>out of the box, SoS is a STINKER. But give it a
>little love and a decent configuration utility,
>and it's like a stray cat that steals your heart,
>your watch (thanks for the swell toy!), your food
>(you're not eating that, right?), etc. No
>question, SoS is an admittedly quirky taste.

>I suspect, however, that Rally Trophy is going to
>be a purebred that sets the next standard for what
>driving titles are supposed to be about. At least
>that's what I'm hoping.

>On Wed, 05 Sep 2001 21:13:44 GMT, Andre Warringa

>>>You won't be disappointed, Andre -- trust me!

>>>;-)

>>>-- JB

>>Err aren't you that guy who also praised Ford Racing and Sos'37? :D
>>By the way John, is there any racing game out there you aren't
>>beta-testing? :)
>>And is your F2001 preview allready on the web somewhere?
>>And how is the WSC beta? :)

>>Cheers,
>>and thanks for the good news!,
>>Andre

>Remove "hi" from address or it will bounce....

by **John Bod** » Sat, 08 Sep 2001 03:20:50

Yours is good, but nowhere near as boring as mine will be!

:-P

;-)

-- JB

>> Ilari,

>> Can you verify for me whether or not the skill level is locked at
>> Novice in the 0.52 version? I would like to know this for my preview
>> for the Blackhole Motorsports site.

>Can't you just copy ours ? :-)

>Beers and cheers
>(uncle) Goy

>"The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/

>* Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way *
>"Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

by **Andre Warring** » Sat, 08 Sep 2001 05:19:03

>> Goy, Ilari,

>> Just knocked out by the short-coupled Stratos (Lancia hasn't made a decent
>> car since the DeDion-ed Aurelia of the 50s). snip

>You don't think the Fulvia Coupe is a decent car ???

>Oh the horror of it all

What's really missing ofcourse is the Corolla DX14..
my first car, may she rest in peace :(

Andre

by JM » Sat, 08 Sep 2001 05:30:11

Not even the Delta S4? A car that lapped quick enough to be put 6th on the
grid of the F1 Portuguese Grand Prix in 1986?

John

by **Gerry Aitke** » Sat, 08 Sep 2001 05:50:56

> And, yes, you will be able to use Act Labs' stuff, split pedals, etc. These
> guys are very controller-savvy.

Steve -- Handbrake?

Gerry

by **Stephen Smit** » Sat, 08 Sep 2001 06:06:08

Gerry,

"Handbrake?" I'm sure.

--Steve

> > And, yes, you will be able to use Act Labs' stuff, split pedals, etc.
These
> > guys are very controller-savvy.

> Steve -- Handbrake?

> Gerry

by **Goy Larse** » Sat, 08 Sep 2001 06:44:37

> Yours is good, but nowhere near as boring as mine will be!

> :-P

> ;-)

> -- JB

ROFL, oh well, I tried at least

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

http://www.theuspits.com
http://www.teammirage.com

"A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke"
--Groucho Marx--

by **John Bod** » Sat, 08 Sep 2001 08:53:34

Actually, that was meant as a compliment -- YOU did a GOOD preview,
while mine will be some rambling, boring thing that people will just
read out of pity!

;-)

-- JB

>> Yours is good, but nowhere near as boring as mine will be!

>> :-P

>> ;-)

>> -- JB

>ROFL, oh well, I tried at least

>Beers and cheers
>(uncle) Goy

>http://www.theuspits.com
>http://www.teammirage.com

>"A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke"
>--Groucho Marx--

by **Martin Ursu** » Sat, 08 Sep 2001 10:12:53

On Thu, 6 Sep 2001 21:30:11 +0100, "JM"

>> Goy, Ilari,

>> Just knocked out by the short-coupled Stratos (Lancia hasn't made a decent
>> car since the DeDion-ed Aurelia of the 50s). Must've missed the Stratos
>in
>> the game specs. Still dead keen on RT however. When's it released?

>> --Steve

>Not even the Delta S4? A car that lapped quick enough to be put 6th on the
>grid of the F1 Portuguese Grand Prix in 1986?

First of all (and without wanting to speak for the
developers), I think Group B rallying is beyond the scope of Rally
Trophy (i.e. pre-Driver's Cup/Championship).

Secondly, can we get some firm sources regarding Henri
Toivonen's alleged quick lap around Estoril? I have heard this
anecdote repeated many times for many years and I still find it hard
to swallow. As talented as Henri was and as monstrously powerful the
S4 was, remember that the F1 cars were much more powerful (height of
the turbo era), much lighter, had huge wings/diffusers, and qualifying
slicks.

1986, incidentally, saw a dry qualifying session in Portugal.

Martin
Long Live Nigel Mansell!

by JM » Sat, 08 Sep 2001 12:56:09

> On Thu, 6 Sep 2001 21:30:11 +0100, "JM"

> >> Goy, Ilari,

> >> Just knocked out by the short-coupled Stratos (Lancia hasn't made a
decent
> >> car since the DeDion-ed Aurelia of the 50s). Must've missed the
Stratos
> >in
> >> the game specs. Still dead keen on RT however. When's it released?

> >> --Steve

> >Not even the Delta S4? A car that lapped quick enough to be put 6th on
the
> >grid of the F1 Portuguese Grand Prix in 1986?

> First of all (and without wanting to speak for the
> developers), I think Group B rallying is beyond the scope of Rally
> Trophy (i.e. pre-Driver's Cup/Championship).

But not beyond the scope of your assessment of Lancia cars which is what I
was responding to...
Is there a rally game that *doesn't* have a stratos in it?

Likewise just something I read, I don't have figures. But I have read race
reports from saloon races at Estoril where it seems some strange things can
happen (eg minis outpacing 911's and 240z's).

cheers
John

by **Olav K. Malm** » Sat, 08 Sep 2001 16:17:52

> >> Goy, Ilari,

> >> Just knocked out by the short-coupled Stratos (Lancia hasn't made a decent
> >> car since the DeDion-ed Aurelia of the 50s). snip

> >You don't think the Fulvia Coupe is a decent car ???

> >Oh the horror of it all

> What's really missing ofcourse is the Corolla DX14..
> my first car, may she rest in peace :(

Hehe, and I'm also missing a Volvo 140 or 240. A little bit new for
perhaps, but great cars. Might my old 240 also rest in peace :)

--
Olav K. Malmin
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by **Ilari Lehtine** » Sat, 08 Sep 2001 17:27:42

It wasn't locked in any particular skill level, it just wasn't finished :)

-Ilari

> Ilari,

> Can you verify for me whether or not the skill level is locked at
> Novice in the 0.52 version? I would like to know this for my preview
> for the Blackhole Motorsports site.

> TIA!

> -- JB

> On Wed, 05 Sep 2001 22:40:19 +0300, Ilari Lehtinen

> >It was build 0.52 you had? Ok, we're running 0.73 at work right now :).
> >I don't remember what changes have taken place after your version but
> >physics tweaks and road surface parameters have changed for sure.

> >-Ilari

> >> Ok, but can you answer one thing then, the press copy that you guys
ship
> >> out, is it in fact locked in "novice" model ?

> >> Or has the driving model moved on a bit from the build .52 we got
> >> perhaps ?

> >> Because being one of the persons who did the Preview for "The Pits", I
> >> still think the physics are a bit simplified, not arcadeish or anything
> >> like that, but it most certainly flatters the driver, if not, I'm going
> >> to apply for a position as driver with the ProDrive Subaru Team :-),
> >> Richard Burns, move over, there's another Norwegian coming :-)

> >> Don't get me wrong, I most certainly like it, and will buy it and I
> >> happen to believe it has tons of potential and will more than likely be
> >> the best Rally Sim released to date, but my previous road car was
> >> something akin to the Escort Mk1 in the preview, namely an Opel Manta
> >> with about the same HP, which we used both for track days and "forest
> >> stages", all unofficial of course :-), and there's no way I could have
> >> driven that car in the same way I could drive the Escort

> >> All FORD fans shut up, the Escort might be a better Rally car than my
> >> Manta was, but it was good enough for comparison at least :-)

> >> > And hey, Paddy Hopkirk liked it.

> >> Yeah, and Mark Blundell liked CPR :-)

> >> Beers and cheers
> >> (uncle) Goy

> >> "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/

> >> * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way *
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by **Remco Moe** » Sat, 08 Sep 2001 18:31:37

Hi Ilari,

Can you tell us more about the tyre model and surfaces in RT? Is it,
for example, possible to lock the wheel on the grass, while the other
wheels on the tarmac are still rotating? And will a RWD car break out
when you're on the throttle too early when exiting a corner?

Looking forward to your answers,

Remco

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