John, i know that to you i am "just some smack from the UK" (your words) but
i feel your statements about some of the facts are misleading and unfair,
not to mention very conservative where your mistakes are involved. I have
added my view to some of the incidents you mention below...
"John Simmons" <a...@b.c> wrote in message
news:MPG.1788bc47605f34d898990a@news-server.satx.rr.com...
> All in all, it was a pretty clean race with (by my count) only six
> cautions for the entire race. Here's my caution recap and general
> comments (OOTRD="One Of Them Racin' Deals"). I'm not trying to be mean
> spirited, I'm just stating the facts as I see them. Ask anyone that ran
> in IGPS, and they will tell you that I usually hit it pretty close to
> the mark:
> Caution 1 - Lap 3 - Car #1 and car #83 in turn 3
> ------------------------------------------------
> #83 tried what I call a "stupid passing move" by diving below car #83,
> despite the fact that 83 had started his move to the apex of the turn.
> That early in the race, the pass was ill-advised and over-aggressive.
> The 17 car was a victim of the crash through no fauilt of his own.
> Fault goes to #1 for overly agressive driving.
> Caution 2 - Lap 32 - Car #43 and #7 in turn 1
> ---------------------------------------------
> 43 had been following 7 for about 20 laps, both cars successfully
> passing other cars for position. 43 overtook 7 at a higher rate of
> speed than anticipated and tapped 7 in the turn, sending 7 into the
> wall. No other cars involved. Fault goes to #43 (OOTRD).
#43 would be John Simmons and #7 would be me. You make it sound like you had
put your car alonside mine and slightly infront when you say "43 overtook
7", from my replay its looks like you picked up a little extra speed from my
draft and simply drove into my rear, at no point did you get alonside or
infront.
> NOTE: After subsequent pit stop, 7 car made what I consider to
> be a provocative move by passing other cars at a dangerous rate
> of speed relative to the pace line, and ran up on the bumper
> of 43 (no contact was made). This IMHO, is an over-aggressive
> move and would be worthy of a penalty in any serious league,
> especially considering the nature of the contact). Keep the
> emotions OFF THE TRACK.
After i had pitted to repair some of the extensive damage to my car caused
by John punting me into the wall i did indeed pass a couple of cars to get
behind John, though i see nothing provacative or dangerous in the manner
that i passed them. The reason was to get a good look at the paintjob on
John's car, John has punted me in the rear during my last three rascar races
and i felt during the yellow was a safe time to have a good look at the car
i most need to avoid. I cant deny that being repeatedly punted in the rear
by John has worn my temper a little thin, but i wouldnt allow myself to do
any thing in rascar that i wouldnt do in any of the serious leagues i
compete in.
> Caution 3 - Lap 38 - Car 96 and car 7 in turn 1
> -----------------------------------------------
> Part 1: 96 car came down on 7 car after 7 car made it 3-wide as the pack
> approached turn 1. 7 car was making a "stupid passing move", and was in
> my opinion being over-aggressive considering the large pack of cars he
> was in. The 17 car rear-ended the 83 car as both cars went high to
> avoid the accident. Fault goes to 7 for creating the situation (overly
> aggressive driving), and fault goes to 96 for not paying more attention
> to his spotter and/or mirrors.
My replay shows that i made it 3-wide just after the exit of turn4 and down
the straight, and that it was infact only 2-wide by the time we were
approaching turn1. I took the low line and held it and would have been able
to (and infact did) hold the low line around turns1&2. Overtaking by its
nature is an aggressive act, but i dont think the move was either stupid or
over-aggressive. I did say sorry to Neil both after the incident and after
the race, and i will say sorry to Neil again now, Sorry Neil.
> Part 2: 7 car punted 8 car while racing back to the yellow in turn 3.
> Fault goes to 7 car for an overly-aggressive driving style. No other
> cars were involved.
Again, John paints a very different picture to what i see on my replay, i
was racing with #21 to my outside while catching Phasor very quickly, Phasor
held the low line and the option to go high around him was ruled out by the
#21 car occupying that space, i had no option except to brake. My replay
shows i slowed in time and no contact was made between the front of my car
and the rear of Phasors. In fact my replay shows Phasor loosing grip at the
rear and starting to spin, as result he slows and its at this point that any
contact is made. I would be interested in seeing Phasors replay of the
incident, but my bet is that this was warp induced. I didnt get the chance
to say this to phasor after the race so i will take the opportunity to say
sorry to Phasor now, Sorry Phasor. Assuming that i did indeed punt Phasor i
dont think its fair that its described as overly-aggressive, especially
after John punting me is only described as one of those racing deals.
> Caution 4 - Lap 74 - Car 21 and car 27 on front straight
> --------------------------------------------------------
> 21 came up on 37 car while overtaking, sending 37 into wall. No other
> cars were involved. Fault goes to 21 (OOTRD).
> Caution 5 - Lap 79 - Car 21 and car 76 on front straight
> --------------------------------------------------------
> 21 car rear-ended 76 car when 76 slowed more than expected on the
> approach to turn 1. My guess is that 21 car kind of expected 76 car to
> movce to a higher line and when 76 didn't do that, 21 car made contact.
> To be fair, 21 car was probably a little frustrated because 43 car had
> side-bumped him while passing him in turn 3. 21 car scraped wall but no
> damage was apparent as a result of that contact. No other cars were
> ibnvolved. Fault goes to 21 (OOTRD).
Again, when i watch the replay of the incident between Johns #43 car and
Colins #21 car i see a different picture to the story John describes. What i
see is John diving to the low line forcing colin to stay high, John goes in
too fast and cant hold the low line and slides up the track into the side of
Colin, Colin does his best to avoid contact with he wall. I guess thats just
another one of them racing deals as opposed to stupid or over-aggressive
driving.
> Caution 6 - Lap 95 - Car 167 and car 21 in turn 3
> -------------------------------------------------
> 167 was beside 21 in turn 3, and made contact due to a side-warp. 167
> had been side-warping since at least lap 74, which made approaching and
> passing him dicey at best. The pass would have been a clean one if not
> for the warp. Fault goes to 167 (OOTRD).
> In General
> ----------
> I thought this was a pretty clean race with the best racing (once again)
> happening between the cars racing for 3rd back to about 6th I'm
> dissappointed with Ginger's demonstration of frustration on the track,
> and feel that if he had calmed down a little, and thought about what he
> was doing instead of blindly charging to the front, he would have
> avoided the late-race accidents he caused, and he would still have
> finished well.
I also though this was another great rascar race, but i think the best
racing was around zugzug who kept it clean and fast the whole race,
congratulations again on the win Zugzug. I think the reason John has the
oppinion that the best racing was between 3rd back to 6th is because those
are the positions he held during the race, the drivers around him may have a
different view of the quality of the racing for those positions. I have to
say that after watching the replay of Johns race i'm supprised he didnt
finish 2nd when you consider the cars he bumped out of his path. Involved in
incidents i certainly was, its debatable that i was the cause as John says.
It could be argued that, being as those incidents occured during the restart
after the wreck that John had caused to bring out the yellow, that he is in
some small part responsible. Depends on how fair and objective the viewer is
i suppose.
> Some of the really fast drivers learned about tire management - again.
> Running fast usually means that you eat up your tires a lot faster. I
> was able to repeatedly overtake drivers that were much faster by not
> being overly aggressive when approaching/navigating turns. It's nice to
> be fast and be in the lead, but the only lap that counts is the last
> one. If I had 6 more laps (that's how much gas I had left), I'm
> confident that I would have overtaken and passed Ginger because he was
> simply driving to hard and chewing up his tires.
I think John is massaging his own ego again here, i could argue in response
that i raced a few people to the point that thier tyres were abused by the
time i was able to make a pass stick, by which time they were easy prey for
John. Considering the damage caused to my car after John put me into the
wall i was lucky to be running as high as i was, i tried to hold zugzug off
during the last 10 laps and really enjoyed the hard racing with him. But
zugzugs car was undamaged and faster than my own, and he was definatley the
cleanest and quickest driver on the track that day, when he made his pass on
me for the lead he made it good and made it stick, i tried to make a pass
the following lap but zug was too fast for me, i had no option but to settle
for 2nd knowing the best man had won, Congrats Zug. I dont aggree that i had
driven too hard, i know that my tyres were still in good condition, and its
my oppinion that i would have stayed ahead of John for the remaining 10 laps
of fuel left in my tank.
Just a few thoughts, oppinions and views of my own to ballance those
expressed by John.
Cheers Ginger
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