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RASCAR season recap

Eldre

RASCAR season recap

by Eldre » Wed, 20 Nov 2002 07:41:33

Results of the last 2 races at:
http:\\www.umich.edu\~epickett\rascar.html

Our largest field was 36 drivers, at the first Talladega race(where else?).  41
races, 4 drivers won 3 or more: Ginger(7), T_White(6), MGrandySr(4), zugzug1(3)

The first 3 names won 3 in a row at some point, T_White did it TWICE.  Damn, is
the competition just that bad, or are these guys just that GOOD...?

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RASCAR season recap

by John Simmon » Wed, 20 Nov 2002 08:25:45



I think there's three basic types of drivers that participate in
Rascar:

1) Dedicated - these guys run fast no matter where we race, and  
almost always win or place in the top 3 when they race.  These guys
have been "doing it" for years and years, and spend/spent a lot of
time "in the seat".  This is by far the smallest of the three
categories of driver.

2) Semi-serious - these are the guys that put in a reasonable amount
of practice time but vary widely in ability or confidence.  They
really want to do well, but they tend to get into or put themselves
into bad situations where they end up damaged severely off the pace.  
If we didn't have so many cautions, many of the guys in this group
could give the "dedicated" drivers a decent run for their money
simply by exercising some tire management and pit strategy.

3) Casual/newbie - these guys just run for the fun of it, and will
try to run a few practice laps before joining the race (if they
practice at all).  These guys generally don't do very well - if they
would practice more and gain some confidence in what the car can do,
they would be better competitors.  They're not bad drivers, they just
need a lot more seat time than they are willing to commit to.

---------------

I think most of the best racing happens behind Tim, Mike and Dave K.  
We're back there scratching out anything we can get, and are well
satisfied to place in the top five on the lead lap (given that we
have no hope of catching the leaders until the next caution falg
flies).  Me, Larry, Ginger, Mitch, Brian, and even Dave put on a
pretty good show most of the time.  

Another thing is that with Tim, Mike, and Dave K being so uniformly
fast from week to week, there's really nothing to be gained by trying
to keep them from passing you, so many of us simply let them go after
feiging ability for a lap or two.

In the end though, it's just about the fun we have doing this, nd
we're damn lucky to have what amounts to a private server on which to
play without being hassled by the purile little***heads that run
rampant through Sierra's pickup races.

It would be a damn shame if you quit hosting because, even though you
didn't race much, you still provided a valuable service for the rest
of us.  I personally think you might have too many other racing
things going on that are more important than your participation in
RASCAR races, and that's fine because you're probably racing for
points.  If I were you, racing in RASCAR would be way down on *my*
priority list too.

I don't mind the same three guys winning week after week (well maybe
I do a little), but I *would* mind if there wasn't any racing at all.

How about a GPL race sometime in the near future?  I'm sure most of
the current RASCAR guys have that sim. :)

Mike Grand

RASCAR season recap

by Mike Grand » Wed, 20 Nov 2002 22:53:06

I think they are that good. (-:

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Jason Moy

RASCAR season recap

by Jason Moy » Thu, 21 Nov 2002 00:36:44


It's only because I stopped participating after about a race and a
half. =)

Jason

MadDAW

RASCAR season recap

by MadDAW » Thu, 21 Nov 2002 01:03:34

You make having a life sound like such a bad thing.   lol

MadDAWG

Larr

RASCAR season recap

by Larr » Thu, 21 Nov 2002 03:45:20

I agree 100%.

Except I'm not so sure you want to be on a GPL track with me LOL!  Hell, the
AI quit about a year ago!

-Larry




> > Results of the last 2 races at:
> > http:\\www.umich.edu\~epickett\rascar.html

> > Our largest field was 36 drivers, at the first Talladega race(where
else?).  41
> > races, 4 drivers won 3 or more: Ginger(7), T_White(6), MGrandySr(4),
zugzug1(3)

> > The first 3 names won 3 in a row at some point, T_White did it TWICE.
Damn, is
> > the competition just that bad, or are these guys just that GOOD...?

> I think there's three basic types of drivers that participate in
> Rascar:

> 1) Dedicated - these guys run fast no matter where we race, and
> almost always win or place in the top 3 when they race.  These guys
> have been "doing it" for years and years, and spend/spent a lot of
> time "in the seat".  This is by far the smallest of the three
> categories of driver.

> 2) Semi-serious - these are the guys that put in a reasonable amount
> of practice time but vary widely in ability or confidence.  They
> really want to do well, but they tend to get into or put themselves
> into bad situations where they end up damaged severely off the pace.
> If we didn't have so many cautions, many of the guys in this group
> could give the "dedicated" drivers a decent run for their money
> simply by exercising some tire management and pit strategy.

> 3) Casual/newbie - these guys just run for the fun of it, and will
> try to run a few practice laps before joining the race (if they
> practice at all).  These guys generally don't do very well - if they
> would practice more and gain some confidence in what the car can do,
> they would be better competitors.  They're not bad drivers, they just
> need a lot more seat time than they are willing to commit to.

> ---------------

> I think most of the best racing happens behind Tim, Mike and Dave K.
> We're back there scratching out anything we can get, and are well
> satisfied to place in the top five on the lead lap (given that we
> have no hope of catching the leaders until the next caution falg
> flies).  Me, Larry, Ginger, Mitch, Brian, and even Dave put on a
> pretty good show most of the time.

> Another thing is that with Tim, Mike, and Dave K being so uniformly
> fast from week to week, there's really nothing to be gained by trying
> to keep them from passing you, so many of us simply let them go after
> feiging ability for a lap or two.

> In the end though, it's just about the fun we have doing this, nd
> we're damn lucky to have what amounts to a private server on which to
> play without being hassled by the purile little***heads that run
> rampant through Sierra's pickup races.

> It would be a damn shame if you quit hosting because, even though you
> didn't race much, you still provided a valuable service for the rest
> of us.  I personally think you might have too many other racing
> things going on that are more important than your participation in
> RASCAR races, and that's fine because you're probably racing for
> points.  If I were you, racing in RASCAR would be way down on *my*
> priority list too.

> I don't mind the same three guys winning week after week (well maybe
> I do a little), but I *would* mind if there wasn't any racing at all.

> How about a GPL race sometime in the near future?  I'm sure most of
> the current RASCAR guys have that sim. :)

Eldre

RASCAR season recap

by Eldre » Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:42:12



>It would be a damn shame if you quit hosting because, even though you
>didn't race much, you still provided a valuable service for the rest
>of us.  I personally think you might have too many other racing
>things going on that are more important than your participation in
>RASCAR races, and that's fine because you're probably racing for
>points.  If I were you, racing in RASCAR would be way down on *my*
>priority list too.

I'm only in 3 leagues now.  My 4th GPL league is in between seasons, and I quit
the two(three?) Nascar leagues I was in.

I may try to host a full GP over each holiday.  Maybe one each for
Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Year's.  Or maybe one NASCAR race and two GPL...
Haven't decided yet.

Eldred
p.s. I take it back - I forgot about Mark Seery's FL league that just started.
I shouldn't really count that, because I've never driven FL cars before.  I'm
just driving alone, waiting for guys to disco so I can move up.
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Eldre

RASCAR season recap

by Eldre » Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:42:12



>I think they are that good. (-:

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>www.precision-racing.com


>> Results of the last 2 races at:
>> http:\\www.umich.edu\~epickett\rascar.html

>> Our largest field was 36 drivers, at the first Talladega race(where
>else?).  41
>> races, 4 drivers won 3 or more: Ginger(7), T_White(6), MGrandySr(4),
>zugzug1(3)

>> The first 3 names won 3 in a row at some point, T_White did it TWICE.
>Damn, is
>> the competition just that bad, or are these guys just that GOOD...?

Hey, who let HIM back in here...?
<g>

Eldred
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John Simmon

RASCAR season recap

by John Simmon » Thu, 21 Nov 2002 18:41:27





> >How about a GPL race sometime in the near future?  I'm sure most of
> >the current RASCAR guys have that sim. :)

> I may try to host a full GP over each holiday.  Maybe one each for
> Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Year's.  Or maybe one NASCAR race and two GPL...
> Haven't decided yet.

> Eldred
> p.s. I take it back - I forgot about Mark Seery's FL league that just started.
> I shouldn't really count that, because I've never driven FL cars before.  I'm
> just driving alone, waiting for guys to disco so I can move up.

Isn't that way most of us move up in a GPL race?  :)
Jan Verschuere

RASCAR season recap

by Jan Verschuere » Sun, 24 Nov 2002 10:47:54

The real picture is a bit more complex, but basically you got a point. IMO,
category 3 drivers will either hoist themselves up into category 2 or become
disinterested, just a matter of time. I think we can already see this
happening.

There's some great, disciplined driving being shown almost across the board
in RASCAR.

It's the nature of the beast... there's no use making enemies in the field
when the pay-off is still 50 laps away.

Hear hear... kudos to Eldred for providing such a valuable service. There is
no way I could enjoy N2k2 online the "Sierra" way.

I continue to be amazed by the guy. His dedication to simracing is, I think,
unsurpassed in the community. I'd like to meet him some day and get a feel
for what drives him.

I think one of the good aspects of the series is that it's expendable on a
"logical" level. I find it easier to skip than other series when real life
pressures mount. On the other hand, on an enjoyment level, things get far
more complicated. One of the moments which define RASCAR for me was the end
of our latest Phoenix race. The yellow was thrown and I chatted "Darn
it!! -I nearly had Simmons". In reply you chatted "<g>", IIRC. This spirit
of good natured competition and respect among drivers is something I
cherish.

Things have a way of working out. There's always somebody with bandwidth on
their hands.

Yup, that would be nice. If Eldred is unable to oblige I could even, if
forewarned, provide a good quality server at the usual RASCAR time.

Jan.
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Jan Verschuere

RASCAR season recap

by Jan Verschuere » Sun, 24 Nov 2002 10:47:54

Not in a position to comment: 3 GPL leagues (one of which I run) + 1 NASCAR
league and RASCAR. Don't even know how I got myself into so much trouble.
<g>

Excellent... time frame allowing I'll be competing for a grid position in
each.

That sounds far too negative... there's no shame in outlasting other drivers
in GP distance events. You had your shit straight, they didn't... end of
story.

Personally, I dislike the way you put yourself down as a matter of course.
In my opinion you are an accomplished simracer. I admire your perceverance,
your stamina, your consistency and, to a certain extend, your driving. I
don't take beating you for granted, ever.

Though work and simracing related pressures have prohibited me from getting
as "hand on" (in a coaching/driving sense) as I would have liked to, I
remain committed to giving back to you for what you do for me an the
simracing community by attempting to find an angle to unleash your
potential.

It's all in the mind Eldred. I believe you are intrinsically faster than me
(ReplayAnalyyser shows you are). It's just a matter of finding a way to make
you believe in yourself and your ability. I'm keeping you under observation.

Jan.
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Eldre

RASCAR season recap

by Eldre » Sun, 24 Nov 2002 13:36:07



>> > <snip>
>> I may try to host a full GP over each holiday.  Maybe one
>> each for Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Year's.  Or maybe
>> one NASCAR race and two GPL... Haven't decided yet.

>Excellent... time frame allowing I'll be competing for a grid position in
>each.

I'll post some thoughts in another message.

Are you KIDDIN' me?!? :-)

Keeping me under observation?  Uh oh - last time I heard that, I had to wear a
nice white jacket with sleeves that tied in the back...<g>

Eldred
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Eldre

RASCAR season recap

by Eldre » Sun, 24 Nov 2002 13:36:07



>Hear hear... kudos to Eldred for providing such a valuable service. There is
>no way I could enjoy N2k2 online the "Sierra" way.

>> It would be a damn shame if you quit hosting because, even
>> though you didn't race much, you still provided a valuable
>> service for the rest of us.

>I continue to be amazed by the guy. His dedication to simracing is, I think,
>unsurpassed in the community. I'd like to meet him some day and get a feel
>for what drives him.

<blush>
Well, thank you.  Running servers doesn't cost me anything.  I just happened to
be in the right place at the right time.  You should be amazed at the people
who pay out of their own pocket to provide for the community.  THOSE guys are
*really* doing something.

Eldred
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Jle

RASCAR season recap

by Jle » Sun, 24 Nov 2002 22:01:53



Eldred,

First off a big "thank you" for hosting the RASCAR races.
I very much enjoyed the races and its drivers :)

It's a shame though you didnt attend anymore lately. I myself was dog-
slow and way behind the pack at some tracks (you kicked my ***at
Dover). But I'll keep analysing and see what needs to be changed in line
/ steering / braking / throttle / mentality to be competetive. One needs
to find (and thus cross) the limits.
I really hope I don't offend you, but with my (very limited) experience
my advise to you would be:***the LPI, be more agressive and find
those limits. Unleash the lion!

I hope you will keep hosting _and_ attending RASCAR races.

Regards, jurjen

Dave Henri

RASCAR season recap

by Dave Henri » Sun, 24 Nov 2002 23:15:52




> > Results of the last 2 races at:
> > http:\\www.umich.edu\~epickett\rascar.html

> > Our largest field was 36 drivers, at the first Talladega race(where
> > else?).  41 races, 4 drivers won 3 or more: Ginger(7), T_White(6),
> > MGrandySr(4), zugzug1(3)

> > The first 3 names won 3 in a row at some point, T_White did it TWICE.
> > Damn, is the competition just that bad, or are these guys just that
> > GOOD...?

> > Eldred

   Remember Rascar was started as an outlet for those without much expience
with oval racing.  As such, when a few joined in that had years of
experience...they cleaned up.  Not that these guys aren't good, drop them in
any league and they'd do well dang near every week.   But Rascar just didn't
start with guys who had a wealth of Nascarian knowlege.  Almost a learners
league (not that many weren't great simmers, just unfamiliar with the needs
of Nascar.)
   I suspect next year a few more will step up to the plate.
dave henrie

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