rec.autos.simulators

by **Uncle Feste** » Thu, 14 Feb 2002 12:53:40

> > If you're a minority or poor-white, way too many unfortunately. Too
> > many believe only the better off deserve health care. All humans
> > deserve it. Try getting health care if you have no insurance & no job!
> > I was homeless at one time, about 15 years ago, so I know first hand how
> > we treat these people.

> Surely you don't need to lie to support your position.

<shrug> Whatever. It's ok if you don't believe me. Really. :-)

Indeed. It's called Medicaid, & it is *insurance*. I don't know if
things have changed since then or not, but in the late '80's in Michigan
in order to get Medicaid or any other form of public assistance, you had
to have a permanent mailing address. The homeless do not have this.
Most of our shelters at the time had a 2 week limit & then you couldn't
come back for another 30 days. Post office boxes were not allowed
either, not that we had THAT kind of spare money in the first place.

Now as I was saying. Go & try to get medical care with no insurance
*including Medicaid*. See how they treat you when they learn you have
no insurance & no money. Then come back & tell me the results. :-)

--

Fester

"Is it that we need a nobrainer Linux desktop OS for people with no
brains or should people do a little more reading and smarten up?"
from alt.linux.mandrake NG

by **Uncle Feste** » Thu, 14 Feb 2002 12:55:59

My friend, with such a ***, mean-spirited outlook to those less
fortunate than yourself, I really hope you never end up on that end of
the stick.

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Fester

"Is it that we need a nobrainer Linux desktop OS for people with no
brains or should people do a little more reading and smarten up?"
from alt.linux.mandrake NG

by **Uncle Feste** » Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:05:18

> > > All humans
> > > deserve it.

> > based on what?

> Common decency? Helping those less fortunate?

Thank you. Somebody gets it.

ROTFLMAO!!!

Not only that but he doesn't realize that approximately 20% of our
nation's homeless population *work*! Cost of living is just so much
higher than what they make. Those who share Daxe's outlook though would
say that those people didn't do enough with their life, etc. etc. &
therefore don't deserve a livable wage. What really usually undermines
such an attitude many times though is a belief that most of these people
are minorities (mistaken belief!) and therefore unimportant in such a
person's world view.

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Fester

"Is it that we need a nobrainer Linux desktop OS for people with no
brains or should people do a little more reading and smarten up?"
from alt.linux.mandrake NG

by **Uncle Feste** » Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:11:51

> > > Thats quite a scary report. Ive always been suspicious of americas
> massive,
> > > terrifying war machine. Maybe they want the whole world to live under
> their
> > > banner (rather like pre ww2 germany). IMO the world is about to become a
> lot
> > > less nice place to live.

> > That's basically how I've seen them for quite a while now. Hitler with
> > nukes.

> > --
> FESTER!!- sometimes it's better to keep your mouth shut and let everyone
> think your an idiot, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
> Good grief.

Hehehe. What can I say? Seriously though, examine the basic German
beliefs at the time & contrast them with the thinking in modern day
America. Not an exact fit-hell no. But a little to close for my
liking.

--

Fester

"Is it that we need a nobrainer Linux desktop OS for people with no
brains or should people do a little more reading and smarten up?"
from alt.linux.mandrake NG

by **Andre Warrin** » Thu, 14 Feb 2002 17:36:14

> Why disgusting?

> As for strategic value, we lost battleships and support ships.
>Battleships, as important naval strategists had already realized, had
>become obsolete. Their era was passed. The king of the seas was the
>carriers.

Strategic value is not the point here.. if Roosevelt willingly let the
Japanese bomb Pearl, he willingly sacrificed a lot of American
soldiers just to get involved in the war.
I don't know if you think that was a strategic good decision, but I
find it rather disgusting.

Andre

by **Byron Forbe** » Thu, 14 Feb 2002 22:11:46

> > Try, try, try to separate yourself from the guilt. At least you're
> > intelligent enough to feel some. Assuming you're a citizen of a NATO
> > country, and a tax payer as well, THEN YOU ARE GUILTY!

> Im guilty, so what? I dont havbe a problem with it, you do, and you arent
> terribly important, so it matters not.

I am important to me and I do care what I think of myself. My opinion
is one of the few I treasure! :) I would hate to know that I was the
killer of children - a more pathetic thing to have in one's memory I
cannot imagine! BTW, if you don't have a problem with it then why the
use of the word "guilty"? And exactly what is important to you? Are you
important to you even? And if I'm not important to you then why respond
to my completely unimportant posts?

Yes. Saddam does control the U.N. I suppose! He rang them and told
them to put economic sanctions on Iraq. Yes, of course! So long a they
don't effect him or his goons?

The most important thing about this comment is the insult on the end.
So I'm cutting in a little am I? :) Your at an important crossroads here
pal - you can continue in denial and rebellion against what I say and
decay into nothing, or admit that your COMPLETELY WRONG, learn and grow.

by **Byron Forbe** » Thu, 14 Feb 2002 22:27:30

> > All humans
> > deserve it.

> based on what?

puddles of dribble mopped up (snipped)

Do you at least have a plan to scoop the dead up off the street? Or
just let the vultures handle that? Quite an eco system! If you suffer
from short sightedness, it's not your eyes - it's the brain they're
hooked up to!

by **Byron Forbe** » Thu, 14 Feb 2002 22:40:41

> and we have a great record of destroying our enemies, so where's the
> problem?

> ~daxe

Hmmmmmmmm....... Ok pups. Welcome to the nuclear age! :) One loss at
this level and that's the last war you get to fight idiot! Do you have
any idea how easily those 4 aircraft could have been loaded with
chemicals, bombs, etc? I'm starting to think that if someone pointed a
gun at you that the danger wouldn't register - much like a dog! You'd no
doubt start growling and then attack, aye?

by **jason moy** » Thu, 14 Feb 2002 23:35:48

> What really floors me is that not a single person here has mentioned how
> we got involved in the Gulf War. Nobody recalls the name April
> Glaspie? Saddam, who we backed & supported for many years, asked our
> opinion/permission on invading what he felt were "stolen" oil fields in
> Kuwait. He was told by the US we had no interest & basically gave him
> the green light to proceed. Once he did just that, we go freaking
> ballistic! The rest, as they say, is history...

Yep. Some people have twisted the story and said that we encouraged
him, which isn't true, but we did say 'if you want to take part of
Kuwait, we'll go away'. Saddam wanted to do this because having
Kuwait would reduce the need for continuing to fight Iran for the
water-bound land between them that in dispute (I forget wthe name of
the region or the sea it borders on and I'm too lazy to check a map at
the moment). His thinking was "we'll take kuwait, which historically
is part of Iraq (note the similarities to Israel's claims on Jerusalem
and Gaza) in order to end this pointless war with Iran." Having been
given word from the US that we would not get involved, he went ahead
and annexed Kuwait. Immediately, Israel/Saudi Arabia shit their pants
and begged and pleaded for us (and in the case of Israel, probably
blackmailed us) to come help them and the rest is history.

Jason

by **jason moy** » Thu, 14 Feb 2002 23:38:06

> The US are hardly strangers in provoking others to attack us. We employ
> these measures in order to help stir our half-illiterate populace into a
> war-frenzy so our Govt can pursue those they wish to in an almost
> unlimited manner. We knew these attacks were coming. Long before the
> internet, back in the 1960's, my mother had told me about it. How we
> had imposed economic sanctions on Japan (apparently we didn't agree with
> their form of govt. Who the hell are WE to dictate to them how they
> govern themselves??) , how the Japanese leaders had come here trying to
> find a way out & then leaving in disgust when we refused. What do you
> think will happen when one country tries to starve another out & that
> country has enough resources to mount an attack? This isn't Rocket
> Science here folks. It was a deliberate provocation by the US.

Oops, forgot to quote this part.

Interesting story about World War II. In order to have an ally in the
far east against Japan, we allied with a young charismatic Vietnamese
leader named Ho Chi Minh. Immediately after the war, we forgot about
him and our promises to aid in Vietnamese independence and immediately
the French took over Vietnam again. Seeing that we abandoned him, the
Soviet Union offered their help. The rest is history.

I love American foreign policy.

Jason

by **jason moy** » Thu, 14 Feb 2002 23:45:16

I don't fully agree with that. Even in modern times, a carrier by
itself is extremely vulnerable. This is why there are fleets which
consist of one carrier surrounded by multiple support ships
(battleships, Aegis, etc). Aircraft carriers are effective as
offensive weapons, moreso than defensive.

Jason

by **Goy Larse** » Fri, 15 Feb 2002 00:11:09

> > As for strategic value, we lost battleships and support ships.
> > Battleships, as important naval strategists had already realized, had
> > become obsolete. Their era was passed. The king of the seas was the
> > carriers.

> I don't fully agree with that. Even in modern times, a carrier by
> itself is extremely vulnerable. This is why there are fleets which
> consist of one carrier surrounded by multiple support ships
> (battleships, Aegis, etc). Aircraft carriers are effective as
> offensive weapons, moreso than defensive.

Getting flashbacks from playing "Carrier Command II" here....:-), I have
it on floppy disks here somewhere.......

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

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by **jason moy** » Fri, 15 Feb 2002 00:19:55

> Strategic value is not the point here.. if Roosevelt willingly let the
> Japanese bomb Pearl, he willingly sacrificed a lot of American
> soldiers just to get involved in the war.
> I don't know if you think that was a strategic good decision, but I
> find it rather disgusting.

Andre, do some research on Operation Northwoods. I would some info
but I'm at work right now and don't have time to dig up URL's. Their
are unclassified documents detailing plans conceived by the CIA and
our Joint Chiefs of Staff to sacrifice our own
resources/civilians/troops in order to provoke a war. Operation
Northwoods was an attempt to make it look like Cuba had attacked us.
Some of the ideas including using a drone painted like a MiG to shoot
down an American plane, bombing a cruise liner off the coast of
florida, etc.

This is the shit that scares me about our government. For every
potentially hokey *** theory (like the FDR/Johnson info I
posted above) there are a dozen unclassified documents showing things
that are more ridiculous (or things that aren't unclassified yet but
are common knowledge, like our funding of the Muhajadeen and the
resurrection of the term "Jyhad" which hadn't been used for hundreds
of years before we resurrected it in order to motivate Osama Bin Laden
and his band of Freedom Fighters). Actually, one place to read some
fun info is www.thesmokinggun.com. I can't remember everything they
have there, but there is a nice section of unclassified CIA documents
with details on our ridiculous plans (using tax money of course) to
get Castro out of power. www.cia.gov and www.nsa.gov also have
exhaustive archives of documents if you're willing to do some
searching.

Jason

by **Andre Warrin** » Fri, 15 Feb 2002 00:37:01

<snip>

Thanks for the info and urls Jason.. I don't think reading all about
it will make me happy, but now I'm too curious to not dig up all the
info..
it's gonna be a long night..

Andre
(PS I'll let you know if I find out who killed Kennedy)

by **Andre Warring** » Fri, 15 Feb 2002 04:15:38

^^^
CLASSIC :)))

Andre

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