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Uncle Feste

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by Uncle Feste » Tue, 12 Feb 2002 05:34:05


> Hey Captain ***head, all I've done in this thread is post a link with no
> comment and you think you know my views on this subject?

> I'm sure you're some well known r.a.s. *** who's hiding behind a cute
> nickname. Why don't you tell us who you really are?

> Pretty cowardly thing for Captain America to do.

Kinda typical, ain't it?  :-)

--

Fester

"Is it that we need a nobrainer Linux desktop OS for people with no
brains or should people do a little more reading and smarten up?"
                                         from alt.linux.mandrake NG

Uncle Feste

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by Uncle Feste » Tue, 12 Feb 2002 05:39:04


> I have news for you Festering Uncle and Big Black ***, the people
> from Afghanistan don't think like you.

I agree, they don't think like me Princess America.  They are the same
kind of animal you are.  Kill their kids & they come looking to burn
your ass.  You sound much more like the Taliban than I do.

--

Fester

"Is it that we need a nobrainer Linux desktop OS for people with no
brains or should people do a little more reading and smarten up?"
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Uncle Feste

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by Uncle Feste » Tue, 12 Feb 2002 05:43:55



> > On Sat, 09 Feb 2002 22:52:17 GMT, "rik zeppelin"

> > >Name the dissidents Bush is oppressing.

> > How about the nun who was arrested in Utah yesterday for protesting
> > the war?

> Arrests like these are actually pre-planned by the protesters to draw
> publicity to their cause.   The protesters are required by law to stay
> in certain areas to protest and in order to get arrested they will
> leave these areas.  It creates an excellent photo-op and news story
> (nun being led away in handcuffs) for their cause to fool the more
> naive. This is obviously not oppression of their free speech. Just the
> opposite.

> >    How about the man who carried a protest sign to a Bush
> > photo-op and was arrested and held for 24 hours and then released
> > without being charged with anything?

> Same thing here.  The sign protesters are required to stay in certain
> areas per the Secret Service.  If they leave the areas they are
> obviously going to be questioned by Secret Service.  This is pretty
> standard security stuff and has been happening for years.  I seem to
> recall a number of similar incidents between anti-Clinton protesters
> and security when Clinton was being impeached and accused of***.

Yeah, keeping those who wish to express views that are in opposition to
our government way out of sight of others by restricting their movements
has been done for years.  It still doesn't make it right.  And it's only
getting worse.  Time to either condemn or be an apologist.

<Can't wait for later this week & the release of N2k2!  Think things
will calm down then? :-P >

--

Fester

"Is it that we need a nobrainer Linux desktop OS for people with no
brains or should people do a little more reading and smarten up?"
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David G Fishe

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by David G Fishe » Tue, 12 Feb 2002 05:51:33



> > Hey Captain ***head, all I've done in this thread is post a link with
no
> > comment and you think you know my views on this subject?

> > I'm sure you're some well known r.a.s. *** who's hiding behind a
cute
> > nickname. Why don't you tell us who you really are?

> > Pretty cowardly thing for Captain America to do.

> Kinda typical, ain't it?  :-)

> --

> Fester

It's amazing that he thought no one would notice.

There's too many nitwits like him unfortunately, so you might have to accept
the fact that it may be 10-20 years before your views are understood by
most.

David G Fisher

Trappe

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by Trappe » Tue, 12 Feb 2002 08:03:37

"> on the freedom of Americans?  Walter Williams had a very good column

How the hell would he know? Is he in the inner loop of confidential US
security information?
No hes' not,  nor 99.9.8 of the world population. Christ fear those that
claim they have all the answers.

Jan Verschuere

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by Jan Verschuere » Tue, 12 Feb 2002 08:55:31

There's 1.24 million people (0.02% of world population) in the inner circles
of the US security service? -Wow!! ;-)

Jan.
=---
"Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn.

Trappe

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by Trappe » Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:17:31

Ya ,ya ,ya , I think you get the thrust of my comment. If only if the
alleged "facts"
in this thread could be as precise. ; ) Anyways the political threads in the
newsgroup
do not help my GPL or F1 2001 setups so who cares, I get tired of the
propaganda
and could not help myself.  My fault for not resisting. Damn
trolls.........................>


Mikkel Gram-Hanse

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by Mikkel Gram-Hanse » Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:25:50

*LOL* this just has got to be some European trying to make all you US guys
look stupid.
Not a nice trick.. but fun ;)

Mikkel

Gotta love details like the Captain America sig.

Mikkel Gram-Hanse

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by Mikkel Gram-Hanse » Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:36:58

Don't worry Ken, Rik is not actually understanding any of this anyway.
I believe he saw something on Jerry Springer regarding the whole thing and
is quoting that from memory.

It is sad that someone from a country with such relatively high educational
standards as the US,  can be so narrowminded and so unable to seperate fact
from the fiction seen on TV.

Mikkel






> > > On Sat, 09 Feb 2002 22:52:17 GMT, "rik zeppelin"

> > > >Name the dissidents Bush is oppressing.

> > > How about the nun who was arrested in Utah yesterday for protesting
> > > the war?

> > Arrests like these are actually pre-planned by the protesters to draw
> > publicity to their cause.   The protesters are required by law to stay
> > in certain areas to protest and in order to get arrested they will
> > leave these areas.  It creates an excellent photo-op and news story
> > (nun being led away in handcuffs) for their cause to fool the more
> > naive. This is obviously not oppression of their free speech. Just the
> > opposite.

> > >    How about the man who carried a protest sign to a Bush
> > > photo-op and was arrested and held for 24 hours and then released
> > > without being charged with anything?

> > Same thing here.  The sign protesters are required to stay in certain
> > areas per the Secret Service.  If they leave the areas they are
> > obviously going to be questioned by Secret Service.  This is pretty
> > standard security stuff and has been happening for years.  I seem to
> > recall a number of similar incidents between anti-Clinton protesters
> > and security when Clinton was being impeached and accused of***.

> > BTM

> Don't confuse them with facts....

> --
> 9/11/01....Never forget

> Ken

Mikkel Gram-Hanse

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by Mikkel Gram-Hanse » Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:38:49

You are just the type of guy the rest of us fear will one day take over the
US... to an even greater extend than it happened when Mr. Bush stepped in.
He is a liability to the whole planet.

... but I guess you will make a good frontline soldier. Don't think any
independent thoughts, be gung-ho and just do what TV ( or your officer)
tells you to do.

Mikkel

Mikkel Gram-Hanse

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by Mikkel Gram-Hanse » Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:39:02

I bet a special unit with you and Mr. Zeppelin could just wipe out all them
damn terrorist and foreigners and aliens and people and the planet and... I
say Captain America for president, then it will all be over in a few days
anyway nuke'em I say, nuke'em all.

Go play the fool somewhere else Captain No-Clue, this is not
alt.america.radical.right.wing.extremist.idiots

Mikkel

PS: and yes, I actually do find the US a great nation in many ways...


Mikkel Gram-Hanse

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by Mikkel Gram-Hanse » Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:00:48

Wow what an insight you must have in global politics.... NOT
I guess your quote says it all, lets burn some more villages to save them
eh?

Believing in a quote like the one you just posted says it all I guess.
You have a lot in common with the *** Talebans.

Why don't you read the article and respond to what it is you find factually
wrong
there ??
America IS a great nation, no argument there... but wake up and smell the
coffee, you yourself
have outfitted the sick bastards who now have turned on their former master.
You yourself have been a very active player in the complex politics that led
to this.

Mikkel

Believe it or not.. no offense intended to any "normal" americans, sometimes
the patriotic extremists just drives me nuts ;)

David G Fishe

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by David G Fishe » Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:14:48




> > >Oh my gosh, darn, you really told them didn't you...my hero!!

> > Look, you guys are taking David G. Fishers side in this argument.
> > If that doesn't tell you you're frigging wrong, what will?

> Normally I'd agree with that :-), but like someone else already said, it
> must be possible to be critical of the way the US (or whoever) does
> things without being labeled anti-American, communist or whatever

> Some people, myself included to a certain extent, doesn't agree 100%
> about what's going on, just let me give you an example, more people die
> from AIDS *every* day than the number of people who died in the WTC
> attack, yet we don't see the same governments falling over each other to
> come up with a cure, or even making it possible for them do die a
> "decent" death in the meantime, in certain parts of Africa 30-40 % of
> the population has AIDS or HIV, and yes, at some point in the not too
> distant future I'll get to see up close what AIDS is all about, my 1st
> cousin has HIV

100,000 people in Africa die preventable deaths each day due to starvation
and disease.

10 kids die each day in the U.S. due to handguns, but the only time we get
weepy over it and make a big emotional display of concern  is when all 10
die in a high school at the same time. Of course we then blame the media and
do nothing.

David G Fisher

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Mikkel Gram-Hanse

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by Mikkel Gram-Hanse » Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:45:59

Look at the bright side Mr. Thompson, you will now soon be able to go to the
cinema and watch "Black Hawk Down 2", this time with a "happy" ending...

I quote the admirable Captain America.... "The civilian scumbags of the
countries that harbor these terrorists
were dancing in the streets at the news of thousands of American civilians
killed."

For heavens sake, the US propaganda industry makes good old entertaining
patriotic movies when you bomb an underdeveloped nation, and yet you
complain that some people were rejoicing when the US they see as their enemy
got a knife in the back at September 11.

Take a long hard look at the US reactions when the first strikes on
Afghanistan was reported.
And take an even longer harder look at the biased stuff that will pollute
the cinema's the next years.

We all are human and we all are guilty of liking it when our percieved enemy
gets a beating... Talebans, Americans, Danes and the guys at the South Pole.
We all have an urge for revenge when we are done wrong and I very well
understand the lust in the US for ***ing the responsible. But (and this is
an important "but")  we in the "free" world have chosen a select few to
guide us... the politicians. It is the damned job of these politicians to do
what is right, not what is lusted for... that's why we picked them, because
we believed them to be worthy of making the right choices for us.
When these leaders start crumbling to their lust for revenge and heroics
they no longer deserve this trust and they no longer are fit to make our
choices.

Leaders are for stopping *** mobs, not incite them as Mr. Bush is doing.

What is the morale of this rant... I'm not even sure I knowmyself, but it's
probably something like this advice to Mr. Bush:

"Do not abuse the sympathy and cooperation from most of this planet, in
order to fullfill your natural, very and understandable, lust for revenge.
Do what IS right, not what FEELS right at this emotional moment in time. It
takes a true leader to make people accept the politics of what is right
instead of going on pure instinct, this is your shot at showing the rest of
us that you are a man worthy of your presidential seat."

Mikkel

Mikkel Gram-Hanse

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by Mikkel Gram-Hanse » Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:56:09


Please leave those poor victims and their families alone now, and stop
abusing the memory of them.

Just think of it... You are using a tattered flag that symbolizes the death
of thousands, as a rallying point for blind patriotism and for a prolonged
war that WILL kill thousands and thousands of innocent bystanders....
Do you ***thirsty idiots (Rik & Captain America) really believe that the
unjustifiable and horroble killing of thousands of american citizens,
justifies the bombing and killing of  innumerable innocents in the so-called
"war on terrorists" ??
If so, then the bermensch theory lives proud once again in your minds. The
bermensch is worth more than other people of lesser nations and lesser
races... and killing these lesser people is justifiable, it's all in the
name of peace and world order. This time the bermensch theory is an
American concept... a very sad & frightening thought.

This ought to be a time of mourning and reflection, not a time for more
killing.
Show the victims from that fatefull day in September some proper respect
dammit...  !

Mikkel

PS: Captain America and Rik, you need not respond that vengeance is your
show of respect... that sort of goes without saying.


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