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N2003 & AC97 sound

Steve Smit

N2003 & AC97 sound

by Steve Smit » Fri, 04 Jun 2004 22:45:15

Can somebody give me some, erm, sound advice about the app. & core.ini
settings for AC97 (on-board) sound?  I can't seem to get it right.  I either
don't get very good positional (3D/surround) sound OR I get
headache-inducing reverb FX.  TIA.
Dave Henri

N2003 & AC97 sound

by Dave Henri » Sat, 05 Jun 2004 08:46:23



    Audigy2.  End of advice.

dave henrie

Greg Campbel

N2003 & AC97 sound

by Greg Campbel » Sat, 05 Jun 2004 09:59:25


> Can somebody give me some, erm, sound advice about the app. & core.ini
> settings for AC97 (on-board) sound?  I can't seem to get it right.  I either
> don't get very good positional (3D/surround) sound OR I get
> headache-inducing reverb FX.  TIA.

I've gone round-and-round with my Nforce2 on-board board sound.
Depending on what drivers and settings I run, I can take my pick of
audio distortions. ;)

As much as I hate to say it, I've had good results with an ancient (and
now rather cheap) SB-Live.  Make sure you get the insallation CD with
the card, the SOB's at Creative won't make functional installation
drivers available.  At least the W98 drivers... they don't recognise the
card as 'Genuine Creative' or some such crap.

I'd never pay Creative 60+ bucks for an Audigy.

-Greg

Steve Smit

N2003 & AC97 sound

by Steve Smit » Sat, 05 Jun 2004 19:39:45

Easy for you to say, but I've got a Fragbox, and even if there was room in
its Lilliputian case, I doubt that the 220W power supply could handle it.

Besides, it's not the quality of the sound that's an issue here, it's the
game settings that are adding reverb and/or determining surround-sound
effects.




> > Can somebody give me some, erm, sound advice about the app. & core.ini
> > settings for AC97 (on-board) sound?  I can't seem to get it right.  I
> > either don't get very good positional (3D/surround) sound OR I get
> > headache-inducing reverb FX.  TIA.

>     Audigy2.  End of advice.

> dave henrie

Steve Smit

N2003 & AC97 sound

by Steve Smit » Sat, 05 Jun 2004 19:42:14

The Audigy 2 CS (or CZ, I forget which) is definitely worth the money (it's
a cheaper way to improve the fps than a new CPU...and the sound is great)
but I need some advice on the game settings - see answer to Dave, above,



> > Can somebody give me some, erm, sound advice about the app. & core.ini
> > settings for AC97 (on-board) sound?  I can't seem to get it right.  I
either
> > don't get very good positional (3D/surround) sound OR I get
> > headache-inducing reverb FX.  TIA.

> I've gone round-and-round with my Nforce2 on-board board sound.
> Depending on what drivers and settings I run, I can take my pick of
> audio distortions. ;)

> As much as I hate to say it, I've had good results with an ancient (and
> now rather cheap) SB-Live.  Make sure you get the insallation CD with
> the card, the SOB's at Creative won't make functional installation
> drivers available.  At least the W98 drivers... they don't recognise the
> card as 'Genuine Creative' or some such crap.

> I'd never pay Creative 60+ bucks for an Audigy.

> -Greg

Dave Henri

N2003 & AC97 sound

by Dave Henri » Sat, 05 Jun 2004 22:04:58



   Well, then, that is a problem.   I haven't touched my sound settings
since installation.  I don't have a clue in that area.  I will say
tho...that the newer video cards are power sluts.  THe Nvidia 6800 is
recommending power supplies of 480 watts.   If possible, I'd try and find
a way to upgrade that 220 unit.  Good luck.

dave henrie

Steve Smit

N2003 & AC97 sound

by Steve Smit » Sun, 06 Jun 2004 01:43:06

Dave, all,

You can't upgrade the PSU in a SFF unit like the Shuttle (or in the case of
the Fragbox, the Ice).  Besides, the FBP is designed that way (to work w. a
nV 5950)  and I don't question the expertise of Falcon NW enuf to change it.

Since nobody seemed to have any quick answers, I did some experiments on my
own.

In the core.ini file, there's a [Sound] stanza that looks like this outta
the box:

*************************
allow_buffer_recreation=0
; re-create sound buffers to improve quality

convert_3d_stereo=1
; convert stereo to mono for positional sounds in 3d mode

enable_3d_interpolation=1
; enable volume interpolation for 3d sound

force_default_buffer_size=0
; Set forced buffer size in 1/36 second units. Define a value of 3 or larger

force_min_readahead=3.000000
; Set forced read ahead, expressed in 1/36 second ticks.

interpolationValue=0
*************************

Changing "allow_buffer_recreation" to a value of 1 to "improve quality"
results in a gawdawful reverb effect.

Note that the default value for "force_default_buffer_size" is zero, despite
the admonition to "define a value of 3 or larger."

Changing the value to 3 seems to have no effect whatsoever.

Feel free to post empirical results of yer own.

CYA!

--Steve




> > Easy for you to say, but I've got a Fragbox, and even if there was
> > room in its Lilliputian case, I doubt that the 220W power supply could
> > handle it.

> > Besides, it's not the quality of the sound that's an issue here, it's
> > the game settings that are adding reverb and/or determining
> > surround-sound effects.

>    Well, then, that is a problem.   I haven't touched my sound settings
> since installation.  I don't have a clue in that area.  I will say
> tho...that the newer video cards are power sluts.  THe Nvidia 6800 is
> recommending power supplies of 480 watts.   If possible, I'd try and find
> a way to upgrade that 220 unit.  Good luck.

> dave henrie

Steve Smit

N2003 & AC97 sound

by Steve Smit » Sun, 06 Jun 2004 01:48:41

And another thing: checking the "3D Sound" box in the Options menu results
in incredibly pinched, tinny sound (I've got a very robust Logi Z680 5.1
speaker setup), so uncheck it.  Oh well, Papy never did know anything abt.
audio....




> > Easy for you to say, but I've got a Fragbox, and even if there was
> > room in its Lilliputian case, I doubt that the 220W power supply could
> > handle it.

> > Besides, it's not the quality of the sound that's an issue here, it's
> > the game settings that are adding reverb and/or determining
> > surround-sound effects.

>    Well, then, that is a problem.   I haven't touched my sound settings
> since installation.  I don't have a clue in that area.  I will say
> tho...that the newer video cards are power sluts.  THe Nvidia 6800 is
> recommending power supplies of 480 watts.   If possible, I'd try and find
> a way to upgrade that 220 unit.  Good luck.

> dave henrie

Greg Campbel

N2003 & AC97 sound

by Greg Campbel » Sun, 06 Jun 2004 02:50:46


> In the core.ini file, there's a [Sound] stanza that looks like this outta
> the box:

> *************************
> allow_buffer_recreation=0
> ; re-create sound buffers to improve quality
> ....
> Feel free to post empirical results of yer own.

> CYA!

> --Steve

I farted with those as well, and wound up with the same (negative)
results.  :(

Good luck!

-Greg

Steve Smit

N2003 & AC97 sound

by Steve Smit » Sun, 06 Jun 2004 10:07:32

Thx, Abe!

The Fragbox is only a week or two old, so I doubt that the drivers are
out-of-date; Falcon NW is famous for tweaking every computer they sell (you
get a lab print-out of all the tests they've performed on *your* unit).
Could be, tho.  I'm getting some flashing in N2003, so FNW might not have
used the latest nVidia drivers...altho I'm reluctant to mess w. what is
otherwise a splendid machine (2.4-MHz P4, gig of 3200 RAM, the 5950 Ultra,
1394, USB 2.0, 120-gig WD Spl. Ed., etc.).  It runs like Jacques le Ursine
with GTR, for example (and Far Cry, CoD, FS2004, and LOMAC).  It has enuf
juice left over that I could prolly throw in my mAudio 7.1 Revolution
(infamous as a fps-eater) and still turn everything up to "11".

Going back to the N2003 defaults cured most of the sound probs.  That...and
unchecking the "3D Sound" box in the Options/Sound menu.  (Where do they
*get* these people?)

--Steve


default to the Quarry setting in the sound effects.
this was to open N2003 hold down the alt key and
the taskbar and change from Quarry to none and

Dave Henri

N2003 & AC97 sound

by Dave Henri » Sun, 06 Jun 2004 10:27:27



   Geez Steve, that part was soooo common knowledge I figured you had
already done that....NOBODY runs with 3dsound checked.  Well almost
nobody...:)

dh

Joachim Trens

N2003 & AC97 sound

by Joachim Trens » Sun, 06 Jun 2004 20:10:55


> Can somebody give me some, erm, sound advice about the app. & core.ini
> settings for AC97 (on-board) sound?  I can't seem to get it right.  I either
> don't get very good positional (3D/surround) sound OR I get
> headache-inducing reverb FX.  TIA.

Hi Steve,

the latest version of the nForce mobo drivers is 4.24, and in the recent
months new version have brought great improvements especially in the
sound section.

I'd check the drivers.

Achim

Steve Smit

N2003 & AC97 sound

by Steve Smit » Sun, 06 Jun 2004 20:14:11

Guess I wasn't paying much attention before; was running 2-ch. sound, so
never investigated the vagaries of the "3D Sound" check box.  ;o)




> > Going back to the N2003 defaults cured most of the sound probs.
> > That...and unchecking the "3D Sound" box in the Options/Sound menu.
> > (Where do they *get* these people?)

> > --Steve

>    Geez Steve, that part was soooo common knowledge I figured you had
> already done that....NOBODY runs with 3dsound checked.  Well almost
> nobody...:)

> dh

Joachim Trens

N2003 & AC97 sound

by Joachim Trens » Sun, 06 Jun 2004 21:07:34


> Geez Steve, that part was soooo common knowledge I figured you had
> already done that....NOBODY runs with 3dsound checked.  Well almost
> nobody...:)

You mean those who use onboard, or everyone? Because w/o 3D-sound you
miss a lot of the beauty. I've always had it on.

Achim

Steve Smit

N2003 & AC97 sound

by Steve Smit » Sun, 06 Jun 2004 22:29:34

Thx, Achim

The AC97 audio is VIA, not nVidia (nForce), and I've already got the 3.90a
drivers.

How's the arm?

--Steve

[Tried to email you, but got another "Rejected - Belgacom Domain Blacklist"]



> > Can somebody give me some, erm, sound advice about the app. & core.ini
> > settings for AC97 (on-board) sound?  I can't seem to get it right.  I
either
> > don't get very good positional (3D/surround) sound OR I get
> > headache-inducing reverb FX.  TIA.

> Hi Steve,

> the latest version of the nForce mobo drivers is 4.24, and in the recent
> months new version have brought great improvements especially in the
> sound section.

> I'd check the drivers.

> Achim


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