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OT: Indy 500 pathetic as usual.

Mitch_

OT: Indy 500 pathetic as usual.

by Mitch_ » Tue, 01 Jun 2004 08:26:16

It makes me sick what this once great race has now turned into.  Pathetic...

Mitch

Jay

OT: Indy 500 pathetic as usual.

by Jay » Tue, 01 Jun 2004 08:31:22


I thought it was an excellent race, congrats to Buddy Rice!

Mike Donnelly J

OT: Indy 500 pathetic as usual.

by Mike Donnelly J » Tue, 01 Jun 2004 08:41:52


>It makes me sick what this once great race has now turned into.  Pathetic...

>Mitch

I'd have to say that was one of the better ones as of late.  No first
lap crashes, and a Foyt admitted he was wrong.  Couldn't be a relation
to Aj...

The weather really messed things up, but, you can't control the
weather.  Yeah, there were instances of dumb driving, but that's
always been true of Indy (and most races for that matter).  It was a
tough race and while I don't agree with all the rules they have, it
was run in accordance with them.  

The one screwup I can really cite is the first rain delay when the
pace car went down a closed pit road and the field didn't follow.  I
can't blame the field one bit and think that's one issue that'll be
discussed in the officials review of the race...

There was abundant passing (something that doesn't happen in F1), lots
of close racing (much like NASCAR), and a bit of contact (not that it
was needed).  

All in all, I wasn't disappointed with the race (other than the driver
I picked didn't win - Dario Franchitti).

Mike

Dave Henri

OT: Indy 500 pathetic as usual.

by Dave Henri » Tue, 01 Jun 2004 09:11:01



  I spent a lovely mid-day subjecting my wife to the SHORT version of
The Lord of the Rings; The Return of the King.  Splendid fun...
Isn't there some SCCA races tomorrow at Lime Rock?  THAT should be some
good racin'

dave henrie

Hans de Hee

OT: Indy 500 pathetic as usual.

by Hans de Hee » Tue, 01 Jun 2004 09:21:28


The pace-car won, right?

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Dan

OT: Indy 500 pathetic as usual.

by Dan » Tue, 01 Jun 2004 09:28:30


Agree.  All those rookies?  Give me a break.

Dan

Jason Moy

OT: Indy 500 pathetic as usual.

by Jason Moy » Tue, 01 Jun 2004 11:03:00


>It makes me sick what this once great race has now turned into.  Pathetic...

I watched a bit around lap 100.  In the span of around 20 laps I saw
some of the worst driving I've ever seen outside of a simulator.
Eldre

OT: Indy 500 pathetic as usual.

by Eldre » Tue, 01 Jun 2004 11:49:37

Why's that, Mitch?  I thought it was a pretty good race...

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Eldre

OT: Indy 500 pathetic as usual.

by Eldre » Tue, 01 Jun 2004 11:51:22


>> It makes me sick what this once great race has now turned into.
>Pathetic...

>> Mitch

>Agree.  All those rookies?  Give me a break.

So how are new drivers ever going to GET in the race, if you don't want rookies
driving in the 500?

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Alan Bernard

OT: Indy 500 pathetic as usual.

by Alan Bernard » Tue, 01 Jun 2004 11:55:04


The intermittent rain made it pathetic.  Whom do we blame that on?

I watched most of the race and thought it was decent.

Alanb

Gary

OT: Indy 500 pathetic as usual.

by Gary » Tue, 01 Jun 2004 13:08:07




> > It makes me sick what this once great race has now turned into.
> Pathetic...

> > Mitch

> The pace-car won, right?

> --
> Regards, Hans
> Alfa Romeo 156 Selespeed - 1999
> Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0V6 - 1997

Only because it was in front of the two Foyt cars...

Gary

Gary

OT: Indy 500 pathetic as usual.

by Gary » Tue, 01 Jun 2004 13:14:37



> >It makes me sick what this once great race has now turned into.  Pathetic...

> >Mitch

> I'd have to say that was one of the better ones as of late.  No first
> lap crashes, and a Foyt admitted he was wrong.  Couldn't be a relation
> to Aj...

> The weather really messed things up, but, you can't control the
> weather.  Yeah, there were instances of dumb driving, but that's
> always been true of Indy (and most races for that matter).  It was a
> tough race and while I don't agree with all the rules they have, it
> was run in accordance with them.

> The one screwup I can really cite is the first rain delay when the
> pace car went down a closed pit road and the field didn't follow.  I
> can't blame the field one bit and think that's one issue that'll be
> discussed in the officials review of the race...

> There was abundant passing (something that doesn't happen in F1), lots
> of close racing (much like NASCAR), and a bit of contact (not that it
> was needed).

> All in all, I wasn't disappointed with the race (other than the driver
> I picked didn't win - Dario Franchitti).

> Mike

I picked Bruno Junqueira to win...damned rain didn't come soon enough!

Gary

Ruud Dingeman

OT: Indy 500 pathetic as usual.

by Ruud Dingeman » Tue, 01 Jun 2004 22:17:37


>>It makes me sick what this once great race has now turned into.  Pathetic...
> I'd have to say that was one of the better ones as of late.

Cripes, this was one of the better ones? Eeeeyuck...

  > The weather really messed things up, but, you can't control the

Must say that as a European, (we did get it live today on one cable
channel), this was Boredom City guys.

Two hours late, and for what? A little *rain*, for pete's sake.
(In Europe racing's usually only stopped when the drivers are washing
out of the***pits! I never got this obsession with Americans stopping
the racing dead with every little drop... In my view, rain is part of
racing, never mind that it makes things more lively sometimes.)

And then time and again the racing is stopped because there's some
incident and the pace car's got to come out again... and again.. and
again. While I see the need for cleaning up the mess, it also stops the
racing dead every time. So I saw more stops, and almost no RACING, every
time I zapped by to see what was happening at Indy these days.

Maybe it's just me, but apart from the bits where they were actually up
to speed for about 5 secs before the next yellow flag, it looked pretty
boring to me, sorry.

You should've seen some of the (stupid) passes made today ;)

True though, given the all-Schumi Show passing and competition is not
one of F1's strongest points these days. Ah the days of Rosberg, Mansell
and Piquet, Senna and Prost...

Regards, Rudy

Dave Henri

OT: Indy 500 pathetic as usual.

by Dave Henri » Tue, 01 Jun 2004 13:45:05



   Ovals, even with the softwalls are not pleasant things to race in the
   rain.  Yes the Euros race in the rain, so do sportscars, but Slicks
   are the rule at Indy...Asside from the last turn at Montreal, I can't
   think of a single F1 track that has walls that close the racing
   line.(now the Montreal walls almost killed poor Panis a few years
   ago.  Imagine then the force that the Indy track could impact on a
   car at over 200mph vs the 90 or 100 for that last turn at Montreal)
   when the rain hits, the Euro drivers slow down...not really a good
   idea with
Indy cars since they lose a great deal of the bottom sucking ground
effect downforce.

   Can't argue there, pace cars do impact the racing...but the oval is
   again the culprit...cars wreck and the shredded parts have no where
   to go.  Should they keep zooming by at 200+ while debris lies
   scattered all over...and would a safety crew want to be ontrack
   whilst this happens?

   yup...days gone by...Just like the era of Unser Jr. Vs Andretti Jr in
   CART.  Daring passes all race long.  one thing I didn't like about
   the 10 cylinder vs 12 cylinder days in F1 was the different fuel
   loads.  The V12 Ferraris would have to carry more fuel and thus be
   slugs during the first few laps.  Once they burnt off some fuel they
   seemed more than capable of competing with those Honda/Mclarens...but
   by then...they were too far behind.

  Dave Henrie

Bill Bollinge

OT: Indy 500 pathetic as usual.

by Bill Bollinge » Tue, 01 Jun 2004 14:08:38


There were ONLY 26 tornados spotted in and around the surrounding
Indianapolis area today.  Unless you want some of the fans hurt/killed then
get your facts straight and STFU.


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