Tells you when the last time I watched a F1 race was...
>there is no locally controlled F1 feed anymore.
>everything comes from Bernie now.
>pez
>> In all the F1 races I've seen (and I've seen a number of them), I
>> can't remember *ever* seeing them make a wing adjustment. I'm not
>> saying it doesn't happen, just that I haven't seen it. Of course,
>> getting the feed through the locally controlled TV feed might be part
>> of the problem. The cars making such adjustments might be doing so
>> off camera.
>> Mike
>> >you dont see them adjust the cars much during pit stops because of the
>> >amount of changes that the drivers can make to the cars whilst on track.
>> >the diff settings being the biggest.
>> >they do change front wing angles in the pits.
>> >pez
>> >> >> >>>It makes me sick what this once great race has now turned into.
>> >> >Pathetic...
>> >> >> >> I'd have to say that was one of the better ones as of late.
>> >> >> >Cripes, this was one of the better ones? Eeeeyuck...
>> >> >> > > The weather really messed things up, but, you can't control the
>> >> >> >> weather.
>> >> >> >Must say that as a European, (we did get it live today on one cable
>> >> >> >channel), this was Boredom City guys.
>> >> >> As a European you show a significant ignorance as to oval racing.
>> >> >> Typical, but regretable. The challenge in oval racing isn't sight
>> >> >> seeing, it's how to run a consistently fast line over the course of
>> >> >> 200 (in this case) laps.
>> >> >Same as in F1, except you might have 15 corners to get absolutely
>> >perfect,
>> >> >every lap, with the added difficulty of actual (and massive) braking
>and
>> >> >acceleration.
>> >> > > Perhaps you shouldn't have 'zapped by' but instead *watched* the
>> >> >> action. The pits are a facinating part of the competition and pit
>> >> >> strategy and adjustments are crucial in winning an oval race.
>> >> >Try watching an F1 car pit.
>> >> I have. All I ever see is them fueling and putting new tires on.
>> >> It's actually rather impressive from a technical point of view, but I
>> >> never see them make any adjustments to the car. It seems that all the
>> >> pit strategy is thought out in advance rather than developed over the
>> >> course of the race, such as is done in oval racing.
>> >> >> >Maybe it's just me, but apart from the bits where they were
>actually
>> >up
>> >> >> >to speed for about 5 secs before the next yellow flag, it looked
>> >pretty
>> >> >> >boring to me, sorry.
>> >> >> >> There was abundant passing (something that doesn't happen in F1),
>> >> >But in F1 a pass actually means you've done something impressive and
>> >which
>> >> >requires skill.
>> >> Try passing at over 200 mph. That does take skill as well. One wrong
>> >> move and at least 2 cars are done for.
>> >> Really, I'd like to see Shumi at Indy in the 500. No more super-team
>> >> to back him up with a super-car. 200 laps in a realatively equal car
>> >> with just the difference in how well prepared the team is for the race
>> >> and how well Shumi can call for adjustments. I think he'd do well,
>> >> but I think he'd find it a lot more difficult that he'd imagine. It
>> >> would be wonderful to see.
>> >> For *me* the problem in F1 is that equipment is far more important
>> >> that raw driving skill. If you're not driving a Ferrarri (currently)
>> >> the odds of you winning go down dramatically. The disparity in
>> >> equipment tends to make a F1 race a parade after a few corners with
>> >> only preplanned pit strategy to bring an upset. Not a lot of fun for
>> >> me.
>> >> >> >You should've seen some of the (stupid) passes made today ;)
>> >> >> Making passes involves not only being faster than the person you're
>> >> >> passing but patience as to when and where to pass, not to mention
>how
>> >> >> you do it.
>> >> >You're describing a pass in F1. Passing in NASCAR or Indy is far
>easier
>> >than
>> >> >in F1. Get in the draft and then shoot by. Those series are
>artificially
>> >set
>> >> >up for a lot of passing.
>> >> Artificially set up? How so? I described passing in general, not
>> >> limiting myself to any form of racing. It holds true in karts, stock
>> >> cars, sprints, touring cars, open wheels, anything short of rally
>> >> (where you don't have 2 cars in the same stretch of road - at least
>> >> not by design).
>> >> I like my ovals and I like them on asphalt. That's my choice.
>> >> Occasionally I like to see a road course being used by cars designed
>> >> to run on them (ie. not stock cars) where a single manufacture isn't
>> >> allowed to dominate (ie. F1) through sheer engineering/ $. That's my
>> >> preference. Others might (do) like what I don't, and that's their
>> >> choice. Good for them. But to knock NASCAR/Indycar for their style
>> >> is childish at best - particularly if it's just because you don't like
>> >> them.
>> >> Mike
