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F1RS - I need help with a steering problem...

Darren Stolarch

F1RS - I need help with a steering problem...

by Darren Stolarch » Sat, 20 Jun 1998 04:00:00

I have a very annoying problem in F1RS. At the end of most strait aways just as
i start to brake the car will dive to the left, and skid out of control.

The only parallel I can draw is when one time a car came out of the pits and ran
right into my side pod... that's how fast and hard the movement to the left is.

Machine: Pentium 233, Creative Labs 3D blaster 12meg (voodoo 2), Fighterstick
and CH pedals, 32megs SDRAM.

What I have tried:

        - re-calabrating the joystick and Pedals. (Although it appears to work
          fine through out the rest of F1RS and other Games)

        - Turning down the visual detail level. (Two notches on the Eye candy
          scale and the sky and replays are turned off.)

Anybody have any suggestions? Would a ACM or Gamecard III help? Perhaps it's a
bug?

Thank You
Darren S.

Andrew Fielde

F1RS - I need help with a steering problem...

by Andrew Fielde » Sat, 20 Jun 1998 04:00:00


> I have a very annoying problem in F1RS. At the end of most strait aways just as
> i start to brake the car will dive to the left, and skid out of control.

Darren,

Sounds like a problem I have with my GP1 wheel. At random points (usually as
I'm approaching a turn) the wheel will twitch, quite often sending me off
the track. This problem makes GP2 virtually unplayable as you never know when
it's going to happen.
I got the tmscope utility and found that all three pots spike simultaneously.
I took the wheel back to the store but they couldn't reproduce the problem. It
was rock steady on their machine.
Pat Dotson's suggestion is below, which I haven't tried yet.

And BTW you should uncheck the "poll with interrupts" box in the conroller
screen of Win95. This was Thrustmasters' suggestion. If anyone from
Thrustmaster is listening, have you got any other suggestions ?? Please.

Thanks.

Pat Dotson said:

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Greg Cisk

F1RS - I need help with a steering problem...

by Greg Cisk » Sat, 20 Jun 1998 04:00:00


>I have a very annoying problem in F1RS. At the end of most strait aways
just as
>i start to brake the car will dive to the left, and skid out of control.
>Anybody have any suggestions? Would a ACM or Gamecard III help? Perhaps
it's a
>bug?

If you are using the game port on a PCI sound card you may have a problem.
I have had the same problem... Try just sitting on the track and just see if
your
front tires twitch. Also try hitting the brakes... If they do twitch
uncontrollably
then you have a hardware problem somewhere.

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Tuomas Koske

F1RS - I need help with a steering problem...

by Tuomas Koske » Sun, 21 Jun 1998 04:00:00

On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:49:21 +0100, Andrew Fielden



>> I have a very annoying problem in F1RS. At the end of most strait aways just as
>> i start to brake the car will dive to the left, and skid out of control.
>Sounds like a problem I have with my GP1 wheel. At random points (usually as
>I'm approaching a turn) the wheel will twitch, quite often sending me off
>the track. This problem makes GP2 virtually unplayable as you never know when
>it's going to happen.
>I got the tmscope utility and found that all three pots spike simultaneously.
>I took the wheel back to the store but they couldn't reproduce the problem. It
>was rock steady on their machine.
>Pat Dotson's suggestion is below, which I haven't tried yet.
>And BTW you should uncheck the "poll with interrupts" box in the conroller
>screen of Win95. This was Thrustmasters' suggestion. If anyone from
>Thrustmaster is listening, have you got any other suggestions ?? Please.
>> I was seeing the same type of problem with my GP1.  Cleaning
>> the pot helped but didn't solve the problem.  I did find
>> one thing that helped the situation though.
>> In my bios settings, I had the ISA clock set at the highest
>> speed (1/2 or 1/3 PCI bus speed).  Lowering that setting to
>> the minimum removed a lot of the twitching from the joystick
>> axes.

I have experienced the same, very frustating, problem, too. I have
fought with this problem for a couple of weeks now, and now I think I
have found a cause for this problem.

I have a TM GP-1, and experienced very severe twitches, especially
with F1RS and N.I.C.E. 2 demo. They were practically unplayable. So I
reinstalled about everything: DirectX, gameport drivers, game
software, you'd name it. I tweaked BIOS settings, cleaned the pots,
resoldered the wires... Nothing helped.

Then I started to wonder why the MS Game Controllers window in Control
Panel sometimes during the testing stopped responding with the error
message "You're conroller is not connected correctly. Retry?" (or
something like that). TM ProPanel sometimes just stopped responding.
The problem was that springlike wire which connects the wheels
gas/brake levers and two buttons to the rest of the controller case.
It was quite loose and the turning of the wheel simply disconnects the
connector occasionally, thus making those awful twitches.

So I taped the connector really tight to the contoller case and that
was it. My contoller now works perfectly! For some of you, this could
be a solution for unbearable twitching problems. So check your wires
for disconnections.

*****************************************************
Tuomas Koskela, Ph.Lic.

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Tim Deatherag

F1RS - I need help with a steering problem...

by Tim Deatherag » Sun, 21 Jun 1998 04:00:00

I've had the same problem with my GP1. It's the "Plug" that plugs the wheel
into the base unit ! Even though I have mine taped, It still works itself
out so I check
it every couple of days !

Tim


>On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:49:21 +0100, Andrew Fielden

>The problem was that springlike wire which connects the wheels
>gas/brake levers and two buttons to the rest of the controller case.
>It was quite loose and the turning of the wheel simply disconnects the
>connector occasionally, thus making those awful twitches.

>So I taped the connector really tight to the contoller case and that
>was it. My contoller now works perfectly! For some of you, this could
>be a solution for unbearable twitching problems. So check your wires
>for disconnections.

>*****************************************************
>Tuomas Koskela, Ph.Lic.

>         (remove EISPAMMIA when replying)
>WWW:     http://cc.oulu.fi/~tkoskela/
>*****************************************************

Darren Stolarch

F1RS - I need help with a steering problem...

by Darren Stolarch » Mon, 22 Jun 1998 04:00:00


>I got the tmscope utility and found that all three pots spike simultaneously.
>I took the wheel back to the store but they couldn't reproduce the problem. It
>was rock steady on their machine.

I am going to try the utility you mention.

Done.

I tried this and it appeared to fix the problem, however ten or so laps later it
was back although much less severe. Now the Car twitches off maybe once every
second or third lap. So it's ok to practice with, but racing is out of the
question.

I have one more thing to try. Tuomas Koskela from this news group had a problem
which was caused by a loose wire inside his GP1, so I guess I'll try to see if
that is a problem.

Thanks for your help

Darren S.

Andrew Fielde

F1RS - I need help with a steering problem...

by Andrew Fielde » Tue, 23 Jun 1998 04:00:00



> >I have a very annoying problem in F1RS. At the end of most strait aways
> just as
> >i start to brake the car will dive to the left, and skid out of control.

> >Anybody have any suggestions? Would a ACM or Gamecard III help? Perhaps
> it's a
> >bug?

> If you are using the game port on a PCI sound card you may have a problem.
> I have had the same problem... Try just sitting on the track and just see if
> your
> front tires twitch. Also try hitting the brakes... If they do twitch
> uncontrollably
> then you have a hardware problem somewhere.

Greg, yes I do see this behaviour. I believe the problem is related to my
machine, since the problem could not be reproduced at the store.
Please elaborate on how you solved the problem. I'm using a SB16 PCI
sound card.

Note to Tim: I'm aware that the connector can work lose from the base
unit, but that's not the cause of this problem.

--
Andrew Fielden.
UK.

Greg Cisk

F1RS - I need help with a steering problem...

by Greg Cisk » Tue, 23 Jun 1998 04:00:00


>Greg, yes I do see this behaviour. I believe the problem is related to my
>machine, since the problem could not be reproduced at the store.
>Please elaborate on how you solved the problem. I'm using a SB16 PCI
>sound card.

All I did was uninstall everything in the device manager, and reinstall.
I also re-seated the card.

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