rec.autos.simulators

by **Dave Henri** » Sat, 30 Mar 2002 02:05:45

First are the Fixed race setups from the ONLINE races the'fast' setup or
another alltogether?
Second: with the little time I had with N4 before my AMD meltdown, I
avoided the fast setups like the plague...the rear end would swap around on
me at almost every track except the SS's. Now I've only run a few of the
D ovals in N2002 but the fast setup is VERY stable now...is that the
different driving model? A better more balanced fast setup? OR??? Is my
stouter CPU able to better match up with the physics involved? (certainly
I'm NO better driver than I was last year)
Anyone????
dave henrie

by **Schoone** » Sat, 30 Mar 2002 02:15:14

The Fixed setups are any setup you want them to be.
Cars are more stable in N2002 as they are more realistically modeled.

by **MadDAW** » Sat, 30 Mar 2002 02:43:18

They host selects the setup in a fixed race. Most often its the fast setup,
but there is nothing locking it to that.

The driving model is the differance in how the game drives.

MadDAWG

by **John Pancoas** » Sat, 30 Mar 2002 02:50:27

Fixed setup is whatever is on the server, that the server admin. chooses.
I.e., it could be the Papy default fast, or the server owner could have a
custom made one he could load on their server, choose for a race, and use
that.
Iow, it could be anything; default or not.

N4 and N2002 default setups aren't alike at all.

-John

by **Admi** » Sat, 30 Mar 2002 05:00:03

Actually, the fixed setup is 'pushed' to each client from the boss or
admin's computer, not the actual server. I think that the setup pool to
choose from is on the boss's local machine, tracks/setups directories
instead of his personal setups located at player/setups/tracks directories
IOW they come from the same place that the default setups are stored and is
the reason you can't change and save them, you have to save as another
filename...Our league was worried about hacking the <fast> setup last season
and did extensive research on how this worked and we discovered that the
starting boss (in N4) or boss/admin (in 2002) selects a setup from his
machine and it is pushed to each connecting client. The server machine could
literally be devoid of setups entirely and everything would still work.

by **John Pancoas** » Sat, 30 Mar 2002 05:30:30

Ok, thanks. However, how would that still prevent hackint a default
setup? Couldn't you just make one of your own, name it, etc., the same as a
default setup, copy it to whereever, and be set ?

-John

> > Fixed setup is whatever is on the server, that the server admin.
> chooses.
> > I.e., it could be the Papy default fast, or the server owner could have
a
> > custom made one he could load on their server, choose for a race, and
use
> > that.
> > Iow, it could be anything; default or not.

> > N4 and N2002 default setups aren't alike at all.

> > -John

> Actually, the fixed setup is 'pushed' to each client from the boss or
> admin's computer, not the actual server. I think that the setup pool to
> choose from is on the boss's local machine, tracks/setups directories
> instead of his personal setups located at player/setups/tracks directories
> IOW they come from the same place that the default setups are stored and
is
> the reason you can't change and save them, you have to save as another
> filename...Our league was worried about hacking the <fast> setup last
season
> and did extensive research on how this worked and we discovered that the
> starting boss (in N4) or boss/admin (in 2002) selects a setup from his
> machine and it is pushed to each connecting client. The server machine
could
> literally be devoid of setups entirely and everything would still work.

by **Admi** » Sat, 30 Mar 2002 05:37:59

No, the actual setup data (not the setup name) is pushed from boss to
client. Kinda like we would like to see car paint schemes done, ya follow?

The client machine could be devoid of setups and fixed still work as it
literally pushes the data to his garage regardless of file names on his
machine. Thats how it appears to us and we hacked on it for over a week last
fall. (We had a guy just smokin the field on fixed races, turns out he was
just GOOD! LOL) I really dont think there is a way to hack the data the boss
pushess to the client. If possible, I'd say it wasn't worth th trouble it
would have to be.

I know this sounds to good to be true, but I am convinced that is how it
works. We made some whacked out setups and used them as fixed <fast> and
compared them to what was on the client end and they were getting the exact
setup we were pushing and he (our guinea pig) had tweaked his default fast,
the bosses <fast> over wrote his...(for the race, did not change the file on
his HD, only while connected to the server)

> Ok, thanks. However, how would that still prevent hackint a default
> setup? Couldn't you just make one of your own, name it, etc., the same as
a
> default setup, copy it to whereever, and be set ?

> -John

> > > Fixed setup is whatever is on the server, that the server admin.
> > chooses.
> > > I.e., it could be the Papy default fast, or the server owner could
have
> a
> > > custom made one he could load on their server, choose for a race, and
> use
> > > that.
> > > Iow, it could be anything; default or not.

> > > N4 and N2002 default setups aren't alike at all.

> > > -John

> > Actually, the fixed setup is 'pushed' to each client from the boss or
> > admin's computer, not the actual server. I think that the setup pool to
> > choose from is on the boss's local machine, tracks/setups directories
> > instead of his personal setups located at player/setups/tracks
directories
> > IOW they come from the same place that the default setups are stored and
> is
> > the reason you can't change and save them, you have to save as another
> > filename...Our league was worried about hacking the <fast> setup last
> season
> > and did extensive research on how this worked and we discovered that the
> > starting boss (in N4) or boss/admin (in 2002) selects a setup from his
> > machine and it is pushed to each connecting client. The server machine
> could
> > literally be devoid of setups entirely and everything would still work.

by **jason moy** » Sat, 30 Mar 2002 08:19:38

> stouter CPU able to better match up with the physics involved? (certainly
> I'm NO better driver than I was last year)

I would guess you are. On cold tires, the N2002 fast setups are a lot
harder to drive than N4's. Both are ridiculously tight once the tires
get up to good temps. Really though, I'm guessing your skills have
improved since you played N4 or there's another factor because I can't
imagine self-spinning in the N4 fast setups without doing it
intentionally.

Jason

by **John Pancoas** » Sat, 30 Mar 2002 08:25:43

Yes, I understand this; the client gets whatever the boss-host has/uses.
I know it doesn't matter what the client has, and it'll be "overwrote" by
the boss-host.

What I was saying, is that it's possible for the boss to hack a setup.
Wouldn't matter of course, as everyone gets it anyway.

-John

> No, the actual setup data (not the setup name) is pushed from boss to
> client. Kinda like we would like to see car paint schemes done, ya follow?

> The client machine could be devoid of setups and fixed still work as it
> literally pushes the data to his garage regardless of file names on his
> machine. Thats how it appears to us and we hacked on it for over a week
last
> fall. (We had a guy just smokin the field on fixed races, turns out he was
> just GOOD! LOL) I really dont think there is a way to hack the data the
boss
> pushess to the client. If possible, I'd say it wasn't worth th trouble it
> would have to be.

> I know this sounds to good to be true, but I am convinced that is how it
> works. We made some whacked out setups and used them as fixed <fast> and
> compared them to what was on the client end and they were getting the
exact
> setup we were pushing and he (our guinea pig) had tweaked his default
fast,
> the bosses <fast> over wrote his...(for the race, did not change the file
on
> his HD, only while connected to the server)

> > Ok, thanks. However, how would that still prevent hackint a default
> > setup? Couldn't you just make one of your own, name it, etc., the same
as
> a
> > default setup, copy it to whereever, and be set ?

> > -John

> > > > Fixed setup is whatever is on the server, that the server admin.
> > > chooses.
> > > > I.e., it could be the Papy default fast, or the server owner could
> have
> > a
> > > > custom made one he could load on their server, choose for a race,
and
> > use
> > > > that.
> > > > Iow, it could be anything; default or not.

> > > > N4 and N2002 default setups aren't alike at all.

> > > > -John

> > > Actually, the fixed setup is 'pushed' to each client from the boss or
> > > admin's computer, not the actual server. I think that the setup pool
to
> > > choose from is on the boss's local machine, tracks/setups directories
> > > instead of his personal setups located at player/setups/tracks
> directories
> > > IOW they come from the same place that the default setups are stored
and
> > is
> > > the reason you can't change and save them, you have to save as another
> > > filename...Our league was worried about hacking the <fast> setup last
> > season
> > > and did extensive research on how this worked and we discovered that
the
> > > starting boss (in N4) or boss/admin (in 2002) selects a setup from his
> > > machine and it is pushed to each connecting client. The server machine
> > could
> > > literally be devoid of setups entirely and everything would still
work.

by **Dave Henri** » Sat, 30 Mar 2002 08:31:58

"jason moyer"
I can't
First thing I would do at a new track in N4 was load intermediate and
THEN lower the track bar two clicks on both sides...otherwise I would be
*** the tail out often. So far at least I haven't had to do that in
2002

dave henrie

by **Admi** » Sat, 30 Mar 2002 08:47:23

True, a boss can hack a default installed setup (it ain't real hard, copy
one to your personal setup folder, change it, copy it back to the track
setup folder and over write the cd version), but as you observed, everyone
has the exact same setup so doing this would be useless to gain any
advantage.

> Yes, I understand this; the client gets whatever the boss-host has/uses.
> I know it doesn't matter what the client has, and it'll be "overwrote" by
> the boss-host.

> What I was saying, is that it's possible for the boss to hack a setup.
> Wouldn't matter of course, as everyone gets it anyway.

> -John

> > No, the actual setup data (not the setup name) is pushed from boss to
> > client. Kinda like we would like to see car paint schemes done, ya
follow?

> > The client machine could be devoid of setups and fixed still work as it
> > literally pushes the data to his garage regardless of file names on his
> > machine. Thats how it appears to us and we hacked on it for over a week
> last
> > fall. (We had a guy just smokin the field on fixed races, turns out he
was
> > just GOOD! LOL) I really dont think there is a way to hack the data the
> boss
> > pushess to the client. If possible, I'd say it wasn't worth th trouble
it
> > would have to be.

> > I know this sounds to good to be true, but I am convinced that is how it
> > works. We made some whacked out setups and used them as fixed <fast>
and
> > compared them to what was on the client end and they were getting the
> exact
> > setup we were pushing and he (our guinea pig) had tweaked his default
> fast,
> > the bosses <fast> over wrote his...(for the race, did not change the
file
> on
> > his HD, only while connected to the server)

> > > Ok, thanks. However, how would that still prevent hackint a default
> > > setup? Couldn't you just make one of your own, name it, etc., the
same
> as
> > a
> > > default setup, copy it to whereever, and be set ?

> > > -John

> > > > > Fixed setup is whatever is on the server, that the server admin.
> > > > chooses.
> > > > > I.e., it could be the Papy default fast, or the server owner could
> > have
> > > a
> > > > > custom made one he could load on their server, choose for a race,
> and
> > > use
> > > > > that.
> > > > > Iow, it could be anything; default or not.

> > > > > N4 and N2002 default setups aren't alike at all.

> > > > > -John

> > > > Actually, the fixed setup is 'pushed' to each client from the boss
or
> > > > admin's computer, not the actual server. I think that the setup pool
> to
> > > > choose from is on the boss's local machine, tracks/setups
directories
> > > > instead of his personal setups located at player/setups/tracks
> > directories
> > > > IOW they come from the same place that the default setups are stored
> and
> > > is
> > > > the reason you can't change and save them, you have to save as
another
> > > > filename...Our league was worried about hacking the <fast> setup
last
> > > season
> > > > and did extensive research on how this worked and we discovered that
> the
> > > > starting boss (in N4) or boss/admin (in 2002) selects a setup from
his
> > > > machine and it is pushed to each connecting client. The server
machine
> > > could
> > > > literally be devoid of setups entirely and everything would still
> work.

by **Steve Levet** » Sat, 30 Mar 2002 10:42:03

You could gain an advantage if you used your normal setup, the other drivers
would have never driven that before the race

--

---------------
Steve Levett

> True, a boss can hack a default installed setup (it ain't real hard, copy
> one to your personal setup folder, change it, copy it back to the track
> setup folder and over write the cd version), but as you observed, everyone
> has the exact same setup so doing this would be useless to gain any
> advantage.

> > Yes, I understand this; the client gets whatever the boss-host
has/uses.
> > I know it doesn't matter what the client has, and it'll be "overwrote"
by
> > the boss-host.

> > What I was saying, is that it's possible for the boss to hack a setup.
> > Wouldn't matter of course, as everyone gets it anyway.

> > -John

> > > No, the actual setup data (not the setup name) is pushed from boss to
> > > client. Kinda like we would like to see car paint schemes done, ya
> follow?

> > > The client machine could be devoid of setups and fixed still work as
it
> > > literally pushes the data to his garage regardless of file names on
his
> > > machine. Thats how it appears to us and we hacked on it for over a
week
> > last
> > > fall. (We had a guy just smokin the field on fixed races, turns out he
> was
> > > just GOOD! LOL) I really dont think there is a way to hack the data
the
> > boss
> > > pushess to the client. If possible, I'd say it wasn't worth th trouble
> it
> > > would have to be.

> > > I know this sounds to good to be true, but I am convinced that is how
it
> > > works. We made some whacked out setups and used them as fixed <fast>
> and
> > > compared them to what was on the client end and they were getting the
> > exact
> > > setup we were pushing and he (our guinea pig) had tweaked his default
> > fast,
> > > the bosses <fast> over wrote his...(for the race, did not change the
> file
> > on
> > > his HD, only while connected to the server)

> > > > Ok, thanks. However, how would that still prevent hackint a
default
> > > > setup? Couldn't you just make one of your own, name it, etc., the
> same
> > as
> > > a
> > > > default setup, copy it to whereever, and be set ?

> > > > -John

> > > > > > Fixed setup is whatever is on the server, that the server
admin.
> > > > > chooses.
> > > > > > I.e., it could be the Papy default fast, or the server owner
could
> > > have
> > > > a
> > > > > > custom made one he could load on their server, choose for a
race,
> > and
> > > > use
> > > > > > that.
> > > > > > Iow, it could be anything; default or not.

> > > > > > N4 and N2002 default setups aren't alike at all.

> > > > > > -John

> > > > > Actually, the fixed setup is 'pushed' to each client from the boss
> or
> > > > > admin's computer, not the actual server. I think that the setup
pool
> > to
> > > > > choose from is on the boss's local machine, tracks/setups
> directories
> > > > > instead of his personal setups located at player/setups/tracks
> > > directories
> > > > > IOW they come from the same place that the default setups are
stored
> > and
> > > > is
> > > > > the reason you can't change and save them, you have to save as
> another
> > > > > filename...Our league was worried about hacking the <fast> setup
> last
> > > > season
> > > > > and did extensive research on how this worked and we discovered
that
> > the
> > > > > starting boss (in N4) or boss/admin (in 2002) selects a setup from
> his
> > > > > machine and it is pushed to each connecting client. The server
> machine
> > > > could
> > > > > literally be devoid of setups entirely and everything would still
> > work.

by **John Pancoas** » Sat, 30 Mar 2002 11:08:53

Exactly, I thought of that too, my original point, but then I bet the
differences between that "super" setup, and the default Sierra one that
others had been practicing on would be very apparent.

As soon as those who had practiced on the default setup drove the hacked
on a lap or two, they'd all be wondering what was up.

-John

> You could gain an advantage if you used your normal setup, the other
drivers
> would have never driven that before the race

> --

> ---------------
> Steve Levett

> > True, a boss can hack a default installed setup (it ain't real hard,
copy
> > one to your personal setup folder, change it, copy it back to the track
> > setup folder and over write the cd version), but as you observed,
everyone
> > has the exact same setup so doing this would be useless to gain any
> > advantage.

> > > Yes, I understand this; the client gets whatever the boss-host
> has/uses.
> > > I know it doesn't matter what the client has, and it'll be "overwrote"
> by
> > > the boss-host.

> > > What I was saying, is that it's possible for the boss to hack a
setup.
> > > Wouldn't matter of course, as everyone gets it anyway.

> > > -John

> > > > No, the actual setup data (not the setup name) is pushed from boss
to
> > > > client. Kinda like we would like to see car paint schemes done, ya
> > follow?

> > > > The client machine could be devoid of setups and fixed still work as
> it
> > > > literally pushes the data to his garage regardless of file names on
> his
> > > > machine. Thats how it appears to us and we hacked on it for over a
> week
> > > last
> > > > fall. (We had a guy just smokin the field on fixed races, turns out
he
> > was
> > > > just GOOD! LOL) I really dont think there is a way to hack the data
> the
> > > boss
> > > > pushess to the client. If possible, I'd say it wasn't worth th
trouble
> > it
> > > > would have to be.

> > > > I know this sounds to good to be true, but I am convinced that is
how
> it
> > > > works. We made some whacked out setups and used them as fixed
<fast>
> > and
> > > > compared them to what was on the client end and they were getting
the
> > > exact
> > > > setup we were pushing and he (our guinea pig) had tweaked his
default
> > > fast,
> > > > the bosses <fast> over wrote his...(for the race, did not change the
> > file
> > > on
> > > > his HD, only while connected to the server)

> > > > > Ok, thanks. However, how would that still prevent hackint a
> default
> > > > > setup? Couldn't you just make one of your own, name it, etc., the
> > same
> > > as
> > > > a
> > > > > default setup, copy it to whereever, and be set ?

> > > > > -John

> > > > > > > Fixed setup is whatever is on the server, that the server
> admin.
> > > > > > chooses.
> > > > > > > I.e., it could be the Papy default fast, or the server owner
> could
> > > > have
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > custom made one he could load on their server, choose for a
> race,
> > > and
> > > > > use
> > > > > > > that.
> > > > > > > Iow, it could be anything; default or not.

> > > > > > > N4 and N2002 default setups aren't alike at all.

> > > > > > > -John

> > > > > > Actually, the fixed setup is 'pushed' to each client from the
boss
> > or
> > > > > > admin's computer, not the actual server. I think that the setup
> pool
> > > to
> > > > > > choose from is on the boss's local machine, tracks/setups
> > directories
> > > > > > instead of his personal setups located at player/setups/tracks
> > > > directories
> > > > > > IOW they come from the same place that the default setups are
> stored
> > > and
> > > > > is
> > > > > > the reason you can't change and save them, you have to save as
> > another
> > > > > > filename...Our league was worried about hacking the <fast> setup
> > last
> > > > > season
> > > > > > and did extensive research on how this worked and we discovered
> that
> > > the
> > > > > > starting boss (in N4) or boss/admin (in 2002) selects a setup
from
> > his
> > > > > > machine and it is pushed to each connecting client. The server
> > machine
> > > > > could
> > > > > > literally be devoid of setups entirely and everything would
still
> > > work.

by **Admi** » Sun, 31 Mar 2002 00:43:19

I guess it isn't that important a point to me(our league) since we dont use
default setups anyway, we post the setups that will be run as our fixed so
guys can download them to practice with, if they change them they are only
hurting themselves as we run exactly what we post.

If in a pickup race, still not too important since only one person (the boss
and 'his' secret setup) would have any advantage. A few laps in any car and
one would know the best line to use and any major advantage would be gone.

It all comes down to trusting the boss I guess.

> Exactly, I thought of that too, my original point, but then I bet the
> differences between that "super" setup, and the default Sierra one that
> others had been practicing on would be very apparent.

> As soon as those who had practiced on the default setup drove the hacked
> on a lap or two, they'd all be wondering what was up.

> -John

> > You could gain an advantage if you used your normal setup, the other
> drivers
> > would have never driven that before the race

> > --

> > ---------------
> > Steve Levett

> > > True, a boss can hack a default installed setup (it ain't real hard,
> copy
> > > one to your personal setup folder, change it, copy it back to the
track
> > > setup folder and over write the cd version), but as you observed,
> everyone
> > > has the exact same setup so doing this would be useless to gain any
> > > advantage.

> > > > Yes, I understand this; the client gets whatever the boss-host
> > has/uses.
> > > > I know it doesn't matter what the client has, and it'll be
"overwrote"
> > by
> > > > the boss-host.

> > > > What I was saying, is that it's possible for the boss to hack a
> setup.
> > > > Wouldn't matter of course, as everyone gets it anyway.

> > > > -John

> > > > > No, the actual setup data (not the setup name) is pushed from boss
> to
> > > > > client. Kinda like we would like to see car paint schemes done, ya
> > > follow?

> > > > > The client machine could be devoid of setups and fixed still work
as
> > it
> > > > > literally pushes the data to his garage regardless of file names
on
> > his
> > > > > machine. Thats how it appears to us and we hacked on it for over a
> > week
> > > > last
> > > > > fall. (We had a guy just smokin the field on fixed races, turns
out
> he
> > > was
> > > > > just GOOD! LOL) I really dont think there is a way to hack the
data
> > the
> > > > boss
> > > > > pushess to the client. If possible, I'd say it wasn't worth th
> trouble
> > > it
> > > > > would have to be.

> > > > > I know this sounds to good to be true, but I am convinced that is
> how
> > it
> > > > > works. We made some whacked out setups and used them as fixed
> <fast>
> > > and
> > > > > compared them to what was on the client end and they were getting
> the
> > > > exact
> > > > > setup we were pushing and he (our guinea pig) had tweaked his
> default
> > > > fast,
> > > > > the bosses <fast> over wrote his...(for the race, did not change
the
> > > file
> > > > on
> > > > > his HD, only while connected to the server)

> > > > > > Ok, thanks. However, how would that still prevent hackint a
> > default
> > > > > > setup? Couldn't you just make one of your own, name it, etc.,
the
> > > same
> > > > as
> > > > > a
> > > > > > default setup, copy it to whereever, and be set ?

> > > > > > -John

> > > > > > > > Fixed setup is whatever is on the server, that the server
> > admin.
> > > > > > > chooses.
> > > > > > > > I.e., it could be the Papy default fast, or the server owner
> > could
> > > > > have
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > custom made one he could load on their server, choose for a
> > race,
> > > > and
> > > > > > use
> > > > > > > > that.
> > > > > > > > Iow, it could be anything; default or not.

> > > > > > > > N4 and N2002 default setups aren't alike at all.

> > > > > > > > -John

> > > > > > > Actually, the fixed setup is 'pushed' to each client from the
> boss
> > > or
> > > > > > > admin's computer, not the actual server. I think that the
setup
> > pool
> > > > to
> > > > > > > choose from is on the boss's local machine, tracks/setups
> > > directories
> > > > > > > instead of his personal setups located at player/setups/tracks
> > > > > directories
> > > > > > > IOW they come from the same place that the default setups are
> > stored
> > > > and
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > the reason you can't change and save them, you have to save as
> > > another
> > > > > > > filename...Our league was worried about hacking the <fast>
setup
> > > last
> > > > > > season
> > > > > > > and did extensive research on how this worked and we
discovered
> > that
> > > > the
> > > > > > > starting boss (in N4) or boss/admin (in 2002) selects a setup
> from
> > > his
> > > > > > > machine and it is pushed to each connecting client. The server
> > > machine
> > > > > > could
> > > > > > > literally be devoid of setups entirely and everything would
> still
> > > > work.

by **John Pancoas** » Sun, 31 Mar 2002 03:45:57

Yep, very true.

-John

> I guess it isn't that important a point to me(our league) since we dont
use
> default setups anyway, we post the setups that will be run as our fixed so
> guys can download them to practice with, if they change them they are only
> hurting themselves as we run exactly what we post.

> If in a pickup race, still not too important since only one person (the
boss
> and 'his' secret setup) would have any advantage. A few laps in any car
and
> one would know the best line to use and any major advantage would be gone.

> It all comes down to trusting the boss I guess.

> > Exactly, I thought of that too, my original point, but then I bet
the
> > differences between that "super" setup, and the default Sierra one that
> > others had been practicing on would be very apparent.

> > As soon as those who had practiced on the default setup drove the
hacked
> > on a lap or two, they'd all be wondering what was up.

> > -John

> > > You could gain an advantage if you used your normal setup, the other
> > drivers
> > > would have never driven that before the race

> > > --

> > > ---------------
> > > Steve Levett

> > > > True, a boss can hack a default installed setup (it ain't real hard,
> > copy
> > > > one to your personal setup folder, change it, copy it back to the
> track
> > > > setup folder and over write the cd version), but as you observed,
> > everyone
> > > > has the exact same setup so doing this would be useless to gain any
> > > > advantage.

> > > > > Yes, I understand this; the client gets whatever the boss-host
> > > has/uses.
> > > > > I know it doesn't matter what the client has, and it'll be
> "overwrote"
> > > by
> > > > > the boss-host.

> > > > > What I was saying, is that it's possible for the boss to hack a
> > setup.
> > > > > Wouldn't matter of course, as everyone gets it anyway.

> > > > > -John

> > > > > > No, the actual setup data (not the setup name) is pushed from
boss
> > to
> > > > > > client. Kinda like we would like to see car paint schemes done,
ya
> > > > follow?

> > > > > > The client machine could be devoid of setups and fixed still
work
> as
> > > it
> > > > > > literally pushes the data to his garage regardless of file names
> on
> > > his
> > > > > > machine. Thats how it appears to us and we hacked on it for over
a
> > > week
> > > > > last
> > > > > > fall. (We had a guy just smokin the field on fixed races, turns
> out
> > he
> > > > was
> > > > > > just GOOD! LOL) I really dont think there is a way to hack the
> data
> > > the
> > > > > boss
> > > > > > pushess to the client. If possible, I'd say it wasn't worth th
> > trouble
> > > > it
> > > > > > would have to be.

> > > > > > I know this sounds to good to be true, but I am convinced that
is
> > how
> > > it
> > > > > > works. We made some whacked out setups and used them as fixed
> > <fast>
> > > > and
> > > > > > compared them to what was on the client end and they were
getting
> > the
> > > > > exact
> > > > > > setup we were pushing and he (our guinea pig) had tweaked his
> > default
> > > > > fast,
> > > > > > the bosses <fast> over wrote his...(for the race, did not change
> the
> > > > file
> > > > > on
> > > > > > his HD, only while connected to the server)

> > > > > > > Ok, thanks. However, how would that still prevent hackint a
> > > default
> > > > > > > setup? Couldn't you just make one of your own, name it, etc.,
> the
> > > > same
> > > > > as
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > default setup, copy it to whereever, and be set ?

> > > > > > > -John

> > > > > > > > > Fixed setup is whatever is on the server, that the
server
> > > admin.
> > > > > > > > chooses.
> > > > > > > > > I.e., it could be the Papy default fast, or the server
owner
> > > could
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > custom made one he could load on their server, choose for
a
> > > race,
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > use
> > > > > > > > > that.
> > > > > > > > > Iow, it could be anything; default or not.

> > > > > > > > > N4 and N2002 default setups aren't alike at all.

> > > > > > > > > -John

> > > > > > > > Actually, the fixed setup is 'pushed' to each client from
the
> > boss
> > > > or
> > > > > > > > admin's computer, not the actual server. I think that the
> setup
> > > pool
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > choose from is on the boss's local machine, tracks/setups
> > > > directories
> > > > > > > > instead of his personal setups located at

player/setups/tracks

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