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Small N2002 Complaint and Question

David G Fishe

Small N2002 Complaint and Question

by David G Fishe » Tue, 26 Feb 2002 07:20:55

How come the mirror gives the impression that the car behind you is about 4
car lengths back when it actually is only half a car length? I've gotten
used to it, but it seems too far off especially since you drive bumper to
bumper so much in NASCAR.

Is there a file you can edit to set your start postion in a quick race? I
don't see that as an in game option anywhere.

David G Fisher

Michael Basde

Small N2002 Complaint and Question

by Michael Basde » Tue, 26 Feb 2002 07:40:32

"Objest in mirror are closer than they appear"



bertr

Small N2002 Complaint and Question

by bertr » Tue, 26 Feb 2002 07:28:06

I'm no NASCAR expert, David, but I think it's simulating a concave (or is it a
convex?) mirror which allows a wide view.

Maybe they need to add that little phrase you sometimes see in side mirors on
cars -- "Objects are closer than they appear"......

Can't help you on the question about editing your Quick race start position.
Sorry.

Bert


> How come the mirror gives the impression that the car behind you is about 4
> car lengths back when it actually is only half a car length? I've gotten
> used to it, but it seems too far off especially since you drive bumper to
> bumper so much in NASCAR.

> Is there a file you can edit to set your start postion in a quick race? I
> don't see that as an in game option anywhere.

> David G Fisher

Dave Henri

Small N2002 Complaint and Question

by Dave Henri » Tue, 26 Feb 2002 08:03:39



  Cars in the Mirror?  When the leaders whiz by I don't have TIME to look at
the stinkin' mirror!!!
dave henrie

REDLINE42

Small N2002 Complaint and Question

by REDLINE42 » Tue, 26 Feb 2002 08:37:15

LOL Dave, Reminds me of one of the first Cannon Ball Rally Movies. The one
with the real Ferrari Daytona and AC Cobra with the Italian driver
commenting "What is behind us is of no concern !" as he tore off the rear
view mirror from the Ferrari's windshield. :-)

--
1907 - Daytona Beach Florida

Glenn H. Curtiss rode a V8 powered motorcycle
to a 136.30 mph record in the measured mile.

The Chicago Daily News headline reads:
"Fastest Mile On Earth, Bullets Are The Only Rivals Of Glenn Curtiss"

Naz\

Small N2002 Complaint and Question

by Naz\ » Tue, 26 Feb 2002 08:44:03

You're correct about the mirror.  It does and it shouldn't.  I've never seen
a convex mirror used as a rearview or drivers side mirror on a race
car.....specially a WC car.
Naz"T"



Ed Solhei

Small N2002 Complaint and Question

by Ed Solhei » Tue, 26 Feb 2002 11:46:31

No can do...  in this sim you actually got to earn you starting posistion!
<G>

--
ed_


> Is there a file you can edit to set your start postion in a quick race? I
> don't see that as an in game option anywhere.

cgenn2

Small N2002 Complaint and Question

by cgenn2 » Tue, 26 Feb 2002 12:01:20

It was the Gumball Rally and the Italian driver was Franco Bertollini
(played by Raul Julia)

Chris G.


rb

Small N2002 Complaint and Question

by rb » Tue, 26 Feb 2002 13:37:22


yeah, cannonball rally was burt reynolds' cast of tens with cool redneck
humor.  i know, i laughed....;)

rob

lane

Small N2002 Complaint and Question

by lane » Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:41:40


It's there to give you better sensory input to help with the loss of
peripheral vision you get on a 2D monitor. I like it.

Naz\

Small N2002 Complaint and Question

by Naz\ » Tue, 26 Feb 2002 22:01:37




> > You're correct about the mirror.  It does and it shouldn't.  I've never
> seen
> > a convex mirror used as a rearview or drivers side mirror on a race
> > car.....specially a WC car.
> > Naz"T"

> It's there to give you better sensory input to help with the loss of
> peripheral vision you get on a 2D monitor. I like it.

We had a "fine sensory input to help us withe the loss of peripheral vision"
in N2.  In short, the mirrors covered just as much field and did so without
shrinking the vehicles imho.
Naz"T"
lane

Small N2002 Complaint and Question

by lane » Wed, 27 Feb 2002 00:07:58


Yea, you are right, now that I think about it. There were two types of
mirrors, the concave one as we have  now and the one you mention above. I
guess Papy decided it was too much work doing both or the other type caused
too much of a perfrormance hit.

SimRace

Small N2002 Complaint and Question

by SimRace » Wed, 27 Feb 2002 01:12:36



Don't know about your second question, but you can turn on the roll cage in
the rear view and that also puts the rear spoiler in the view. Then the cars
will 'appear' the proper distance behind you. If you run without the roll
cage and spoiler activated, the cars behind you will look further away than
they actually are.

Tom Pabs

Small N2002 Complaint and Question

by Tom Pabs » Wed, 27 Feb 2002 01:20:48

Most top level real-world drivers do a regular "eye sweep" of dash and
mirrors at multiple times each lap.  On road courses, this is generally
during the straights (although at Portland I would do one "sweep" during the
infield run each lap too).....it varies on the ovals and is generally more
interval related than track position related.  Once this good habit is
established....the subconscious mind takes over and you hardly realize you
are doing this.  The conscious mind is alerted only when there's a
conditional change (a car in the mirror changes position...or a dash gauge
needle is out of position).  I find this habit to be so engrained in me
now.....I do it when driving on the streets too.  If someone were to "freeze
frame" me somewhere on a highway or street in town even....cover my mirrors
and ask me, "What's behind you?" ....I would be able to tell them the cars
behind me...which lane they were in and what color they are...and roughly
what their positions are relative to my car.  Like I said, its a habit when
ever I'm behind the wheel of a car.

I didn't invent this technique...it was hammered into me at the first
Piterressi Racing School I took back in my rookie year in racing.  The
instructors would pull you into the pits for a stop.  They would ask you,
"What's the color and car number of the three cars that were behind you on
that last lap?"  If you couldn't tell them....they'd make you sit in the
pits until the session was over.....loosing track time at a racing school
was not fun....nor was the fact that everyone could see you sitting in the
pits "the penalty pits"...lol....!!!  It was a good way to teach you to
develop the "eye sweep" habit.  They'd also ask you questions about your
gauges....you never knew exactly what they'd ask....so you learned pretty
quickly by "day two" of the school to be ready to answer the questions.  I
lost some valuable track time at that school....as did all the
rookies.....but I gained a very good "racing tool" very early in my racing
career because of it.

All you rookie sim drivers out there should at least give this a try.  You
will be amazed at how much more "situationally aware" you become during a
race or practice session.  It does work.

Just a helpful hint.....

Tom




> > How come the mirror gives the impression that the car behind you is
about
> 4
> > car lengths back when it actually is only half a car length? I've gotten
> > used to it, but it seems too far off especially since you drive bumper
to
> > bumper so much in NASCAR.

> > Is there a file you can edit to set your start postion in a quick race?
I
> > don't see that as an in game option anywhere.

> > David G Fisher

>   Cars in the Mirror?  When the leaders whiz by I don't have TIME to look
at
> the stinkin' mirror!!!
> dave henrie

Naz\

Small N2002 Complaint and Question

by Naz\ » Wed, 27 Feb 2002 02:24:37


That's what I loved about driving sprints on dirt....in every corner you
could glance over your left shoulder and see what's happening behind you:-)
Naz"T"


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