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Small N2002 Complaint and Question

Tom Pabs

Small N2002 Complaint and Question

by Tom Pabs » Wed, 27 Feb 2002 02:29:07

Yeah Naz....and what the hell good would a rear view mirror do you in a
Sprint car anyway.....the thing would be vibrating so much you'd be getting
triple-quad images anyway!  ....lol....  Those cars are something special.

TP




> > Most top level real-world drivers do a regular "eye sweep" of dash and
> > mirrors at multiple times each lap.  On road courses, this is generally
> > during the straights (although at Portland I would do one "sweep" during
> the
> > infield run each lap too).....it varies on the ovals and is generally
more
> > interval related than track position related.  Once this good habit is
> > established....the subconscious mind takes over and you hardly realize
you
> > are doing this.  The conscious mind is alerted only when there's a
> > conditional change (a car in the mirror changes position...or a dash
gauge
> > needle is out of position).  I find this habit to be so engrained in me
> > now.....I do it when driving on the streets too.  If someone were to
> "freeze
> > frame" me somewhere on a highway or street in town even....cover my
> mirrors
> > and ask me, "What's behind you?" ....I would be able to tell them the
cars
> > behind me...which lane they were in and what color they are...and
roughly
> > what their positions are relative to my car.  Like I said, its a habit
> when
> > ever I'm behind the wheel of a car.

> > I didn't invent this technique...it was hammered into me at the first
> > Piterressi Racing School I took back in my rookie year in racing.  The
> > instructors would pull you into the pits for a stop.  They would ask
you,
> > "What's the color and car number of the three cars that were behind you
on
> > that last lap?"  If you couldn't tell them....they'd make you sit in the
> > pits until the session was over.....loosing track time at a racing
school
> > was not fun....nor was the fact that everyone could see you sitting in
the
> > pits "the penalty pits"...lol....!!!  It was a good way to teach you to
> > develop the "eye sweep" habit.  They'd also ask you questions about your
> > gauges....you never knew exactly what they'd ask....so you learned
pretty
> > quickly by "day two" of the school to be ready to answer the questions.
I

> > lost some valuable track time at that school....as did all the
> > rookies.....but I gained a very good "racing tool" very early in my
racing
> > career because of it.

> > All you rookie sim drivers out there should at least give this a try.
You
> > will be amazed at how much more "situationally aware" you become during
a
> > race or practice session.  It does work.

> > Just a helpful hint.....

> > Tom

> That's what I loved about driving sprints on dirt....in every corner you
> could glance over your left shoulder and see what's happening behind
you:-)
> Naz"T"

Plowbo

Small N2002 Complaint and Question

by Plowbo » Wed, 27 Feb 2002 03:10:13

But you know, if you would use the F2 key and notice that you can get to
where you  know dang well he's next to your bumper and when he's behind you
a cars length...  It just takes time...  sure later when you in your POV,
you end up thinking where's the dang f2 key  :P




> > We had a "fine sensory input to help us withe the loss of peripheral
> vision"
> > in N2.  In short, the mirrors covered just as much field and did so
> without
> > shrinking the vehicles imho.
> > Naz"T"

> Yea, you are right, now that I think about it. There were two types of
> mirrors, the concave one as we have  now and the one you mention above. I
> guess Papy decided it was too much work doing both or the other type
caused
> too much of a perfrormance hit.

ymenar

Small N2002 Complaint and Question

by ymenar » Wed, 27 Feb 2002 05:00:36


> We had a "fine sensory input to help us withe the loss of peripheral
vision"
> in N2.  In short, the mirrors covered just as much field and did so
without
> shrinking the vehicles imho.

But there was dead angles in the mirrors if you did so in N2, really.

When you enable the roll-bar in NR2002 by pressing N, you can clearly see
that the mirror is realistic as for how far the cars behind you look.

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David G Fishe

Small N2002 Complaint and Question

by David G Fishe » Wed, 27 Feb 2002 06:52:36




> > How come the mirror gives the impression that the car behind you is
about
> 4
> > car lengths back when it actually is only half a car length? I've gotten
> > used to it, but it seems too far off especially since you drive bumper
to
> > bumper so much in NASCAR.

> > Is there a file you can edit to set your start postion in a quick race?
I
> > don't see that as an in game option anywhere.

> > David G Fisher

> Don't know about your second question, but you can turn on the roll cage
in
> the rear view and that also puts the rear spoiler in the view. Then the
cars
> will 'appear' the proper distance behind you. If you run without the roll
> cage and spoiler activated, the cars behind you will look further away
than
> they actually are.

I just tried your suggestion, but they still look the same. The cars don't
change at all when I swtich roll cage on/off.

David G Fisher

SimRace

Small N2002 Complaint and Question

by SimRace » Wed, 27 Feb 2002 07:13:50



 Thats really the point Daivd, if you will switch back and forth between the
roll cage view and non roll cage view, you'll notice that the spoiler
appears further behind the car in your mirror, about where it should be. The
cars' appearance (distance) will not change, but the extra graphic gives you
a more tangible point of reference (the rear spoiler)  to gauge the
following cars' distance behind..It works, really, your eyes just need to
see the difference once then you'll understand.

David G Fishe

Small N2002 Complaint and Question

by David G Fishe » Wed, 27 Feb 2002 07:34:25

I see what you mean now. I guess I'd just prefer it if the car filled up my
mirror like it would in real life. Like the title off this thread says, it's
just a small complaint anyway.

David G Fisher


SimRace

Small N2002 Complaint and Question

by SimRace » Wed, 27 Feb 2002 07:40:04



 NP, David. It is definetly personal preference, maybe using the roll cage
view for a little bit can train your eye to where it 'knows' where the rear
of your car ends so when using the full view you'll know that the rear of
your car is actually 'invisible' and roughly where the fin 'should' be. I
prefer the roll cage view for that very reason, but don't look down on
anyone for wanting to see a clearer view out back. True enough though, that
without the roll cage 'installed' a full frontal view of a chasing
competitor means he is right on your ***for sure.

Biz

Small N2002 Complaint and Question

by Biz » Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:16:50

Do you remember when you first started drving a real car?  Until you got used to it, you had no idea
how far back something was in your mirrors.  Adding the roll cage and rear spoiler into the mirror,
you get a reference for depth of field to get used to "objects in mirror are closer than they
appear"
--
Biz

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the....." - Ash



> I see what you mean now. I guess I'd just prefer it if the car filled up my
> mirror like it would in real life. Like the title off this thread says, it's
> just a small complaint anyway.

> David G Fisher



> > > I just tried your suggestion, but they still look the same. The cars
> don't
> > > change at all when I swtich roll cage on/off.

> > > David G Fisher

> >  Thats really the point Daivd, if you will switch back and forth between
> the
> > roll cage view and non roll cage view, you'll notice that the spoiler
> > appears further behind the car in your mirror, about where it should be.
> The
> > cars' appearance (distance) will not change, but the extra graphic gives
> you
> > a more tangible point of reference (the rear spoiler)  to gauge the
> > following cars' distance behind..It works, really, your eyes just need to
> > see the difference once then you'll understand.

Naz\

Small N2002 Complaint and Question

by Naz\ » Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:39:50


the thing would be vibrating so much you'd be getting

Hell I had triple images most nights anyway....without a mirror!!
hehe
Naz"T"

Naz\

Small N2002 Complaint and Question

by Naz\ » Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:47:20


 "objects in mirror are closer than they

How many racing mirrors have you ever seen with that warning posted on it???

When viewing through the mirror the cars look out of scale...they have since
N3.  The rollbar on/off doesn't change anything.  Even when viewing with a
car right on your back bumper it looks like your driving a bus....and the
distance from your rear view mirror to the back end of the car is 40 feet!!
Of course this just my opinion but every experience I've had with mirrors in
a race car nothing ever looked that small unless I missed a turn and was
headed across the parking lot!!!

I wonder if papy made a version of this sofware for Greyhound to train
drivers:-)
hehe
Naz"T"

Eldre

Small N2002 Complaint and Question

by Eldre » Wed, 06 Mar 2002 00:28:07



> NP, David. It is definetly personal preference, maybe using the roll cage
>view for a little bit can train your eye to where it 'knows' where the rear
>of your car ends so when using the full view you'll know that the rear of
>your car is actually 'invisible' and roughly where the fin 'should' be. I
>prefer the roll cage view for that very reason, but don't look down on
>anyone for wanting to see a clearer view out back. True enough though, that
>without the roll cage 'installed' a full frontal view of a chasing
>competitor means he is right on your ***for sure.

I found that in N4, using the rollcage would 'hide' a car coming up behind me.
Meaning, I wouldn't catch him in my view until he was RIGHT behind me.  I had
to actually concentrate more on the mirror than on the track in front.  I
thought that was too dangerous, as I'd be surprised he was there and might have
cut him off accidentally.  So now I run without the rollcage...

Eldred
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