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RASCAR :Pocono Race

grub

RASCAR :Pocono Race

by grub » Mon, 28 Jul 2003 08:40:13

Well, I watched the replay. Lots of wrecks. John finished great considering
he was driving an automatic. I wont say where the grubbat dodge finished
today,  but we got lots to do before the next race. Good luck Ginger on your
win.
grub

====cut and paste---------

Dave, what pisses me off is not only did you slam it into T1 making it 3
wide, you did it late, and you drove in too hard and washed
up, AND you acted like I deserved it.  Forget the poor guy caught outside I
had to avoid cause of you.

It was all I could do not to wreck everyone else.

Turn off the freakin traction control next time and it won't be so obvious.
I did not 'block' you on the restart, I moved over,
passing others, at the S/F.  Um, a half mile before T1 I might add.

If John doesn't kick your sorry ass out for that, I'll make it my mission to
move you each and every time, until I get kicked out.

Guys like you are why people don't race pickups.

--
Tim White
www.intracmotorsports.com

John Simmon

RASCAR :Pocono Race

by John Simmon » Mon, 28 Jul 2003 09:14:06



I don't mind name calling and mud slinging, but there's no call for
threatening retaliation on the track.

Dave's move was (IMHO) overly aggressive considering we were only on
lap 20 AND we had just taken the green again.

Dave went in hot, went high, got loose, and Tim tried to take
advantage while going low.  The outcome was not good (and that was to
be expected).

Just one of them racin' deals guys, nobody even got put into the wall  
because of it.

David G Fishe

RASCAR :Pocono Race

by David G Fishe » Mon, 28 Jul 2003 12:37:42




> > Well, I watched the replay. Lots of wrecks. John finished great
considering
> > he was driving an automatic. I wont say where the grubbat dodge finished
> > today,  but we got lots to do before the next race. Good luck Ginger on
your
> > win.
> > grub

> > ====cut and paste---------

> > Dave, what pisses me off is not only did you slam it into T1 making it 3
> > wide, you did it late, and you drove in too hard and washed
> > up, AND you acted like I deserved it.  Forget the poor guy caught
outside I
> > had to avoid cause of you.

> > It was all I could do not to wreck everyone else.

> > Turn off the freakin traction control next time and it won't be so
obvious.
> > I did not 'block' you on the restart, I moved over,
> > passing others, at the S/F.  Um, a half mile before T1 I might add.

> > If John doesn't kick your sorry ass out for that, I'll make it my
mission to
> > move you each and every time, until I get kicked out.

> > Guys like you are why people don't race pickups.

> I don't mind name calling and mud slinging, but there's no call for
> threatening retaliation on the track.

> Dave's move was (IMHO) overly aggressive considering we were only on
> lap 20 AND we had just taken the green again.

> Dave went in hot, went high, got loose, and Tim tried to take
> advantage while going low.  The outcome was not good (and that was to
> be expected).

> Just one of them racin' deals guys, nobody even got put into the wall
> because of it.

Tim said "watch your back 19" on the track, and then threatened to wreck me
again here in ras tonight.

Doesn't that get someone banned?

David G Fisher

John Simmon

RASCAR :Pocono Race

by John Simmon » Mon, 28 Jul 2003 20:25:39







> > > Well, I watched the replay. Lots of wrecks. John finished great
> considering
> > > he was driving an automatic. I wont say where the grubbat dodge finished
> > > today,  but we got lots to do before the next race. Good luck Ginger on
> your
> > > win.
> > > grub

> > > ====cut and paste---------

> > > Dave, what pisses me off is not only did you slam it into T1 making it 3
> > > wide, you did it late, and you drove in too hard and washed
> > > up, AND you acted like I deserved it.  Forget the poor guy caught
> outside I
> > > had to avoid cause of you.

> > > It was all I could do not to wreck everyone else.

> > > Turn off the freakin traction control next time and it won't be so
> obvious.
> > > I did not 'block' you on the restart, I moved over,
> > > passing others, at the S/F.  Um, a half mile before T1 I might add.

> > > If John doesn't kick your sorry ass out for that, I'll make it my
> mission to
> > > move you each and every time, until I get kicked out.

> > > Guys like you are why people don't race pickups.

> > I don't mind name calling and mud slinging, but there's no call for
> > threatening retaliation on the track.

> > Dave's move was (IMHO) overly aggressive considering we were only on
> > lap 20 AND we had just taken the green again.

> > Dave went in hot, went high, got loose, and Tim tried to take
> > advantage while going low.  The outcome was not good (and that was to
> > be expected).

> > Just one of them racin' deals guys, nobody even got put into the wall
> > because of it.

> Tim said "watch your back 19" on the track, and then threatened to wreck me
> again here in ras tonight.

> Doesn't that get someone banned?

No, but intentional wrecking will.

Besides, I wasn't even aware there was a issue between you and tim.
You were both pretty much equally at fault on that incident.

Tim

RASCAR :Pocono Race

by Tim » Tue, 29 Jul 2003 02:07:30

Well John, apparently it does if you ask Eldred.

fwiw, If you want to suspend someone for arguing in a NG you'll be racing by
yourself lol.  Unless I'm mistaken, that's a first for this group.

In hindsight, I should not have been there Saturday.  I hadn't practiced that
much since I really only wanted to race Chicago before the patch but the numbers
were up in RASCAR and that's always inviting.  Sounds like bs I know, but the
suspension doesn't really matter much since I had already pretty much decided I
wasn't going to race anyway.  There's always another league if I really need to
race.

But nice to know there are 'rules' ... and then there are 'rules'.

:)

--
Tim White
www.intracmotorsports.com


Larr

RASCAR :Pocono Race

by Larr » Tue, 29 Jul 2003 03:35:42

Dammit... I had no choice but to miss the Race, only my second this year
(the first was because my Cable Connection was down)  :(

A house project (Hedges & Gardens) took 4 hours longer than expected.  Since
the folks that were helping me drove almost 2 hours to get to my house, I
couldn't just stop for the race :(

I hope everyone had a good time!

-Larry


John Simmon

RASCAR :Pocono Race

by John Simmon » Tue, 29 Jul 2003 03:31:29

Eldred made that decision on his own.  Everyone knows I come out of
some of those races lokking for someone's head, but I've never been
mad enough to suggest inappropriate behavior on the track, and I
think that's what pushed Eldred over the edge.

In all honesty, we already have enough accidental contact, we don't
need to add intentional contact to the mix (although I seriously
doubt either you or Dave would have actually resorted to that).

I don't want you, Dave, or anyone else to quit.  Besides, if you
quit, Huggins will keep winning.  :)

I keep hoping we can do more racing than pacing, but lately, that
hasn't been the case.  My wife actually had dinner ready 4 laps
before the end of the race (she was surprised we were still racing
three hours after we started).  This accident ***has got to stop.

1) If people have a problem with the setup, they should explore the
use of the driving aids.

2) If people want to find speed without giving up control, they
should practice.

3) Every weekend, everybody should evaluate whether or not they
should even be on the track (and I don't care how good they are at
racing).  I do it every week, especially since the 2nd week of July.

4) EVERYBODY SHOULD PRACTICE at least three days out of the week. I
have to practice more because I can't shift right now. I also have to
turn on aids I don't normally use to help keep the car on the track
and maintain control.

5) People have to be ready to back off in dicey situations.  I think
you should have waited for Dave to get it straightened out before
attempting a pass, and I'm sure that if you did an honest re-
evaluation of the incident, you'll agree.  I also think Dave should
not have forced a 3-wide situation on a restart going into turn 1.

6) People have to decide who they can trust in close racing, and
understand that sometimes "shit happens".  I trust a lot of people in
RASCAR, but at the same time, I wouldn't give some of the guys even
the slightest benefit of that trust.  In order to do any of that, you
have to be able to pretty much know how someone acts in various
situations.  

7) Everyone should study the replays and watch the good racing as
well as the bad. You learn a lot about a driver when you do that.  
For instance, they would notice that I race hard *all* the time, and
I will take advantage of any opening or moment of weakness, but at
the same time, I'll generally hold my line and give up a spot if it
doesn't smell right. However, make no mistake - I will NOT just let
anyone go by uncontested (I hate it when Larry tells me "thanks", as
if I let him go - believe me, I was racing as hard as I could at the
time - he got by me because he was faster, not because I allowed it).

I have yet to run some laps at Indy with an auto trans, so I don't
even know if I'll be there yet (but right now, I don't see any reason
why not).

I've run some practice laps at Watkins Glen at I'm less than a second
off my best lap there, and it feels okay despite the weird-ass
shifting the sim wants to do, so I'll probably show up for that one
(I love road courses in a stockcar).

Short tracks will be iffy, and I won't be around for Michigan because
I don't really like the track.  Maybe I'll join those races and
perform duties as race admin and award black flags to people for
doing stupid shit. :)

The real *** of this thing is that I won't have use of my left hand
until probably sometime in November or December - just in time for
the season to end.



> Well John, apparently it does if you ask Eldred.

> fwiw, If you want to suspend someone for arguing in a NG you'll be racing by
> yourself lol.  Unless I'm mistaken, that's a first for this group.

> In hindsight, I should not have been there Saturday.  I hadn't practiced that
> much since I really only wanted to race Chicago before the patch but the numbers
> were up in RASCAR and that's always inviting.  Sounds like bs I know, but the
> suspension doesn't really matter much since I had already pretty much decided I
> wasn't going to race anyway.  There's always another league if I really need to
> race.

> But nice to know there are 'rules' ... and then there are 'rules'.

> :)

> --
> Tim White
> www.intracmotorsports.com



> > > Tim said "watch your back 19" on the track, and then threatened to wreck me
> > > again here in ras tonight.

> > > Doesn't that get someone banned?

> > No, but intentional wrecking will.

> > Besides, I wasn't even aware there was a issue between you and tim.
> > You were both pretty much equally at fault on that incident.

Eldre

RASCAR :Pocono Race

by Eldre » Tue, 29 Jul 2003 05:04:23



>But nice to know there are 'rules' ... and then there are 'rules'.

What are you trying to say here?  Are you insinuating that I'm doing something
just to *** with YOU?  Not even close to being true, man...

Eldred
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Knekt

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by Knekt » Tue, 29 Jul 2003 08:05:20

I had to miss it too, one of my favorite tracks to race on.
I ran some practice for fun, but had to leave before qualifying started.
It does sound like one Hell of a race tho'.

I also have to miss Indy, the track I feel is my best track (race it a lot,
hometown and all).
But I'll be thinking of everyone as I drink Coronas and lay on the beach.

Dave (KnektR #50)


Tim

RASCAR :Pocono Race

by Tim » Tue, 29 Jul 2003 08:43:20

Eldred, of course not.

I was just commenting on the fact that you and John answered the same basic
question two different ways, at about the same time lol
John told Dave no one gets kicked out for threats, but intentional wrecking
will, you suspended us for threats.

Thats what I meant by conflicting rules.

--
Tim White
www.intracmotorsports.com




> >But nice to know there are 'rules' ... and then there are 'rules'.

> What are you trying to say here?  Are you insinuating that I'm doing something
> just to *** with YOU?  Not even close to being true, man...

John Simmon

RASCAR :Pocono Race

by John Simmon » Tue, 29 Jul 2003 11:12:49



Well, I didn't think anyone would really do anything more than
thumping their chests and gnashing their teeth. I would honestly be
surprised if you wrecked anyone on purpose (or if Dave would, for
that matter).

We're also talking about two different things here - banning is
forever, a suspension is temporary. If Eldred wants to suspend
someone for a race or two, that's his call (as was already mentioned
- he controls the invite list on the race server).  

I'll let Eldred give the reasons for the suspension because he didn't
ask my opinion, so I don't know precisely why he did it.  Maybe he
felt that you guys needed some time to cool off.

So, you weren't banned, you were just suspended for a race. I think
maybe if you swallowed some pride and talked to Eldred, he may lift
the suspension (no guarantees though, but it might do some good).

---------

I know some of you out there are thinking that I'm a fine one to be
acting impartial since more often than not, I'm not satisfied with
the way RASCAR races turn out for me. I am always willing to shine a  
harsh light on what I see as obvious mistakes made by others, and
some of you may even remember that little thing between me an Mitch
last year.  However, like most disagreements, they just ebb away and
we move on to the next track, a little more wary of our fellow
racers.  

I certainly didn't want to take any chance on burying Mitch in the
wall in subsequent events, and I'm pretty sure he felt the same way.  
I am confident that Tim and Dave can move beyond this weekend as
well, and may even develop a more amiable online relationship because
they now know precisely where the other stands.

I know down deep you guys still want to race in RASCAR.  :)

grub

RASCAR :Pocono Race

by grub » Tue, 29 Jul 2003 12:04:10

Look at it this way. Not very many people get to be members of the RASCAR
suspension list.
;)




> > Eldred, of course not.

> > I was just commenting on the fact that you and John answered the same
basic
> > question two different ways, at about the same time lol
> > John told Dave no one gets kicked out for threats, but intentional
wrecking
> > will, you suspended us for threats.

> > Thats what I meant by conflicting rules.

> Well, I didn't think anyone would really do anything more than
> thumping their chests and gnashing their teeth. I would honestly be
> surprised if you wrecked anyone on purpose (or if Dave would, for
> that matter).

> We're also talking about two different things here - banning is
> forever, a suspension is temporary. If Eldred wants to suspend
> someone for a race or two, that's his call (as was already mentioned
> - he controls the invite list on the race server).

> I'll let Eldred give the reasons for the suspension because he didn't
> ask my opinion, so I don't know precisely why he did it.  Maybe he
> felt that you guys needed some time to cool off.

> So, you weren't banned, you were just suspended for a race. I think
> maybe if you swallowed some pride and talked to Eldred, he may lift
> the suspension (no guarantees though, but it might do some good).

> ---------

> I know some of you out there are thinking that I'm a fine one to be
> acting impartial since more often than not, I'm not satisfied with
> the way RASCAR races turn out for me. I am always willing to shine a
> harsh light on what I see as obvious mistakes made by others, and
> some of you may even remember that little thing between me an Mitch
> last year.  However, like most disagreements, they just ebb away and
> we move on to the next track, a little more wary of our fellow
> racers.

> I certainly didn't want to take any chance on burying Mitch in the
> wall in subsequent events, and I'm pretty sure he felt the same way.
> I am confident that Tim and Dave can move beyond this weekend as
> well, and may even develop a more amiable online relationship because
> they now know precisely where the other stands.

> I know down deep you guys still want to race in RASCAR.  :)

grub

RASCAR :Pocono Race

by grub » Tue, 29 Jul 2003 12:01:41

Dude, you have been drinking Coronas for the past two weeks at the beach.
How about giving us working folks a break.


> I had to miss it too, one of my favorite tracks to race on.
> I ran some practice for fun, but had to leave before qualifying started.
> It does sound like one Hell of a race tho'.

> I also have to miss Indy, the track I feel is my best track (race it a
lot,
> hometown and all).
> But I'll be thinking of everyone as I drink Coronas and lay on the beach.

> Dave (KnektR #50)



> > Dammit... I had no choice but to miss the Race, only my second this year
> > (the first was because my Cable Connection was down)  :(

> > A house project (Hedges & Gardens) took 4 hours longer than expected.
> Since
> > the folks that were helping me drove almost 2 hours to get to my house,
I
> > couldn't just stop for the race :(

> > I hope everyone had a good time!

> > -Larry

Eldre

RASCAR :Pocono Race

by Eldre » Tue, 29 Jul 2003 13:43:25

Good guess.  That was all it was...  They're both welcome to stay in the group
long-term, but at least one has apparently made his decision.

Eldred
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Eldre

RASCAR :Pocono Race

by Eldre » Tue, 29 Jul 2003 13:49:22

Fair enough.  Yes, I made the call, without consulting John or Ed.  I felt it
was the best way to cool tempers between the two 'combatants'.  I really have
no way of *knowing* if either of you would have followed through on your
threats to wreck the other.  But since the possibilty had been stated(and
*very* publically), I think it would have been irresponsible for me NOT to take
action.
So, this was the action I took.  Hey, if people think I'm a bad league admin,
that's their choice.  I do the best I can...

Eldred
--
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homepage)
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