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Sean

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Mitch

AFTER he threatened to wreck me, and you and John said nothing, I told him
to keep his ass away from me.

After he threatend to wreck me here, and JS said nothing, I told him to keep
his ass away from me.

There's a BIG difference between the person who initially walks up to
someone and threatens to beat their head in, and what that person (who's
never threatened ANYONE) says in response.

If you don't understand that, then maybe you shouldn't be the administrator.

David G Fisher

I applaud Eldred for his fair call...  Both claim they are not guilty
but obviously both are.  Just take it like a man, miss the next race,
shake (virtual) hands and have fun at the following race.  Learning to
forgive and forget is just as much a part of racing as anything else
(just ask the real drivers!).  If you really want to better yourself
as a race car driver, just take it has a positive lesson (not a
punishment from Eldred).  Remember, it is just a darn video game...

I have been trying to gather enough confidence to try racing online.
Been told the community is fun and willing to let others (as long as
they have put enough effort into running clean and decent lap times
offline) have a go at it (we all need to start somewhere).  Must admit
that after this NG exchange, I am now totally intimidated and may have
to write off the online experience (even though I practiced a lot
offline and made a point of learning to stay clean).

Hope you guys can turn this anger into positive energy!   Andre

A simple on track incident(in a ***ing GAME, ok?) has escalated to the point
where two drivers now hate each other, threats fly back and forth, feelings are
hurt, etc.  This exchange and the fallout from it has already caused one driver
to retire, one of the admins to quit, and the majority of readers in this
newsgroup are sitting back laughing their ASSES off!  All this over a stupid
***ing GAME!  Geez, if people get so worked up over something that really
doesn't matter much in the scheme of life, then we'll NEVER be able to get
along when REAL issues arrive.

You've made some dive-bomb passes in the past, some of them against me.  You
made a move in this instance that some also consider to be a reckless move.
Tim threatened that he would wreck you.  While that's very unsportsmanlike, he
didn't actually DO anything yet.  His guilt is based on what he MAY have done,
which none of us have any way of knowing for certain.
Look - I have two guys arguing.  Each is *certain* - absolutely, positively,
beyond a shadow of a doubt - that he's right, and the other is wrong.  There is
no winner in a situation like this.  I'm trying to be as fair as possible under
the cirumstances.  That's why _both_ of you got a *1* race suspension.  But
obviously, you have no interest in seeing it from my point of view.  I fully
expected both of you to sit back, take a deep breath, come back in 2 weeks and
enjoy racing against each other again.  I made a call that I considered in the
fairest interest of all involved, admitted it, and stand by it.  As I said
before, I'm doing the best I can.  

If you don't understand that, then maybe you shouldn't be in the league.

Eldred

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Im startin to sound like Ed now.

Sorry.  :)

grub

Bullshit. NO ONE in all the RASCAR races (probably over 60 now) has ever
complained about me making "dive bomb" passes.

EVER.

You really should take that comment back.

Damn, I could really say something here..........but I won't because as I've
said before, it's not my practice (but that may be about to change for
certain individuals) to criticize people's driving.

No, he made a mistake at T1 a couple laps later and had to retire. Didn't
get his chance. He came here and promised he would do it in each and every
race after until either I or he was gone from RASCAR. How would YOU like to
read that????? How would you like to set aside valuable  time out of your
weekend to race, wondering if someone was going to intentionally put you out
of a race?

Is that some kind of threat to ban me permanently???

David G Fisher

This would of been a nothing incident that no one even noticed (didn't even
bring out a yellow) except a threat to wreck followed. That was followed by
more threats to wreck me here at ras.

As for myself, I have never in seven years of online racing EVER said
something negative to someone during an online race. I certainly never
threatened to wreck them. I've had hundreds of races ruined by people doing
dumb things, and I've never said a word to them.

I've raced against top drivers and ***drivers in various sims over the
past seven years. I've beta tested sims, and I even beta'd Gerry's (joke)
VROC and not one person has ever ***ed at me about my driving during a
race, and I've never ***ed at them. I

If you don't join RASCAR, it won't be because of me. I don't care how good
you are, and if you make a mistake and end my race, you won't hear a word
from me except a "np" message. That's all anyone's ever gotten from me.

David G Fisher

You guys doing the RASCAR thing seem to have a great thing
going...make sure you don't... wreck it (sorry couldn't avoid the
punt)!

se you online in a few days or weeks...
Andre

On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 23:19:14 -0400, "David G Fisher"

I am not sure if you saw it (it wasn't well publicized during or after
the race) but in the next 2 laps following the start, at the
Start/Finish line, Tracy gave the finger to the marshall twice!  In
fact, the fellow sitting beside me managed to get a perfect shot of it
on his digital camera.  Now I wish I had given him my email address so
that he could email a copy of the picture.  This would be a keeper for
sure!

My wife was totally pissed off at Dominguez for his stupid move on
Carpentier.  She is a #32 fan and we were all hoping for a Players
Team 1,2 finish.  But at least we got #1 with Paul!  

Now if I can only figure out a way to be in Montreal in late August I
could complete the Canadian Molson Indy trio!

Andre  

I just read the proposed ruleset for RASCAR.  Im not at all happy about any
but the flaming during a race.  In fact I dislike em so much that Ill join
Tim on the sidelines if they go into effect.  I sure don't want it to get to
that but I feel that strongly.  I mean really, a BF for chatting??  If it
disturbs anyone that much then turn the fn chat off.  It sure as hell isnt
the root cause of our problems.  I really dislike the "my way or the hiway
attitude" thats showing its ugly head.  Thats the opposite of what was
talked about when RASCAR was being created.

That being said Ill tell ya I wasnt at all happy about my suspension last
year and felt you over stepped your bounds by doing it imo unneccasarily,
hell I tapped John in the rear bumper with less force than I bump draft at
Daytona, he understood my meaning and my replay clearly showed me on the
yellow line when we did make contact on the restart.  I feel the same way in
the Pocono circumstances.  Both Tim and David are grown men and neither did
anything to warrant a suspension.  This is a public NG that was here way
before RASCAR and will be long after and as such open for any and all posts
*ANY* usenet user decides he/she wants to post.  Now I would agree with a
suspension if and when we do have a no flaming during a race rule (which we
dont have as of yet).

Don't take this as a put-down cause it inst meant to be.  Im just very
concerned RASCAR is heading in a wrong direction because of a bunch of hot
headed posts after a few really bad races.  If everyone preached
sportsmanship maybe we wouldnt be having this discussion at all.  That
should be ALL of our jobs but it seems Ed and I are the only ones that see
that logic.  Peer pressure can be used for good as well as evil.

Mitch