rec.autos.simulators

Last night I used VROC to connect to an online race at Monza. When I got
there I saw that the second placed guy in qualifying had got a 1m28.2
and the poleman had got a 1m27.2..... Quick times I thought. I watched
their lap replays and both guys were not braking for Lesmo 1, and just
using the barrier to guide them through the corner at much higher speed.

I disconnected.

Then just now I did another race at Monza, and the winner used exactly
the same method to beat Wolfgang Woeger, of all people, into second
place. I finished third BTW.

If people are going to be using these tactics it detracts from the
spirit of online racing! Thank God for the other 10 tracks:)

Cheers!

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"My car appeared to disagree with my preference for living"

The solution is to run Pro or Gran Prix races instead of that ***-
novice-milk-toast-pasty-faced-racer-wannabe crap.  They won't survive
more than a lap or too smacking the armco that way.

"I don't crash.  My car is so ugly that the track simply rejects it."

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Doug Gordon
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I think when you play in novice mode everything is possible. The Lesmo 1 is
one of theses possibility. The real cheating is when a guy whith a very fast
connection, PII 450, 1000$ wheel, compete against poor guy with TM gp1 and a
slow connection. Dont forget is just a game.

Ciao

Jacques

Trips

No, of course, but that's my answer to 'cheating on line' submitted by
Graeme.

BTW I hear Papy prepare a new patch for GPL to include just before novice a
new section named POOR GUY.

Jacques

Ben

Ben

If you're losing in GPL it's probably because you need more practice,
plain and simple. If you run novice races and people run around the
barriers, don't run novice races. I hestitate to even class that as
cheating since you are going as fast as the car and track will allow -
that's motorsport.

Cheers!
John

Having better connection or equipment is *not* cheating, it is just a
difference of circumstances. If GPL is important enough to you then
you do things like upgrade your computer or even for people like me
where online *** is also very important, you can consider faster
Internet connection methods like ISDN, ADSL, Cable modem etc.

Also I get beat in online GPL regularly by an extremely fast good racer
on a 56k modem connection dialed in from New Zealand on a Pentium233MMX
(if I recall correctly, it's definitely a Pentium1, hi Grant Reeve)
and not just me but he beats many other fast drivers. Hardware and connection
inequalities are definitely overcomeable, I think if you use them as a
crutch you end up selling your abilities short.

There is nothing wrong with using lesser hardware as a valid concern
but if you think that people with better hardware than you are cheating,
then you might as well go back to racing the AI, because there will
never be online play where everyone has exactly the SAME hardware and
connection, everyone will always have some difference which you will
mistakenly consider cheating.

Seeyas on the track.

--John (Joao) Silva

Although yes, it is just a game. But when online races are SOOOOOOO
expensive for us in the UK it's kind of a shame being disadvantaged from
the start.

But that's enough of me whining:)! I've got some racing to do at
Zandvoort!

Cheers!

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Graeme Nash

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"Oh, LEFT hander...."

It's not the cost of the wheel that makes the difference, it's the
driver, although I'm sure a slow connection makes it harder to get
past when the guy in front who's going slower than you is warping from
side to side on the road.

I happen to own a fast computer and a CDS4000 (the wheel I think
you're referring to here), and I am simply not good enough. The other
guys might be using wheels that cost a fifth of the price, but they're
still several seconds faster than I am.

That simply isn't cheating, that's just you, or whomever the "poor
guy" you refer to above is, being bitter about being slow, and blaming
the hardware.

<shakes head in sadness>

Stuart

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Cheer, Jacques

I find it better to go to the Intermediate races - especially long ones. The
folks who pull hot laps all too often aren't the ones who win. At Monza, the
Int races are either 11 or 21 laps - that's 2 to 3 times as many chances for
the cheaters to***up. Or for engines to blow up.

And it is not uncommon for someone in the back or middle of the pack in an
"uncompetetive" car (BRM or Cov) to get on the podium in the longer races.
And that's simply by driving consistently without spinning out or hitting
anything.

At Monza I usually end up in the 2nd to 4th row (depending on race size and
Lotus density). So the drill is pretty much as follows:

- Accelerate away at the green, but don't fishtail - a quick get away is to
avoid the wreck forming behind you.
- Pick your way through the wreck down the front straight.
- Gently dance around the wreck on Curva Grande.
- Slow wayyyy down for the Lesmos to avoid the wreck there.
- Blast up through Ascari and take it easy into Parabolica the first time
... observe the nice fresh skidmarks heading right into the sand from
someone in front of you. Or who was in front of you.
- As you exit Parabolica, you should be anywhere from 3rd to 5th. Now you
can begin to race.

    -MSM