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Joachim Trens

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by Joachim Trens » Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:46:19

You've got to find that out for yourself ;-)

But seriously, I wouldn't want to bluntly talk about or assess someone
else's abilities publicly here in this forum. But I do think that Ed is a
mature racer who knows what he's doing and who pays attention to what's
going on around him on the track. He's someone you'd want to have in your
league, IMO.

Achim


> Szuba, that's it!

> So what's the scoop, is he a hotshoe or can I hustle him GPL style? =)

> Jason

> On Sun, 18 Aug 2002 00:34:35 -0000, "Joachim Trensz"

> >We had two Eds in the league, Ed Eppel and Ed Szuba, both good men.
> >Unfortunately we haven't been in contact too much the last couple of
months.

> >If he said I'm the admin that must have been a while ago, though, as I've
> >retired as the admin early this year after about 4 years on the job?

> >Achim



> >> On Sat, 17 Aug 2002 17:47:24 -0000, "Joachim Trensz"

> >> >And thanks for thinking I could beat Greger on the road, Jason :-)

> >> I wasn't kidding!

> >> A 2-man race, 100%, full realism, random weather...from what I've seen
> >> of your driving, I'd put my best on you.

> >> BTW, is there a guy named Ed in your GPL league?  I just started a new
> >> job and he saw my Gurney wallpaper and came over to show me a printout
> >> of a Nurburgring race he won and then specifically mentioned you as
> >> the league admin.

> >> Jason

> >> -----
> >> GPLRank 24.50
> >> N2002Rank -12.995

> -----
> GPLRank 24.50
> N2002Rank -12.995

Dave Henri

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by Dave Henri » Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:10:31


   Isn't de Nile in Egypt?

dave henrie

Gerry Aitke

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by Gerry Aitke » Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:00:25


> You've got to find that out for yourself ;-)

> But seriously, I wouldn't want to bluntly talk about or assess someone
> else's abilities publicly here in this forum. But I do think that Ed is a
> mature racer who knows what he's doing and who pays attention to what's
> going on around him on the track. He's someone you'd want to have in your
> league, IMO.

agreed
Carl Ribbegaard

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by Carl Ribbegaard » Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:18:40

LOL


Carl Ribbegaard

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by Carl Ribbegaard » Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:23:26

Exactly what is that video trying to proove, and how are we going to see it?
;-)

/Carl


> Im sure the more realistic things get ie heel and toe, double be clutch,
> normal braking etc will only make the more talented even faster than the
> average man.

> As its more difficult therefor those with the best natural ablilty will
> further distend the gaps between them and the normal guys IMHO.

> I am fully able to do all those, along with clutchless changes up and down
> the box by rev matching in any car I drive in RL...therefor i doubt doing
> that in a sim with constant factoring will be any effort at all....

> http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> aformentioned in my road car :)



> > Eldred

> > You could always drive the way Dave and his buddies do. They use strange
> > setups and do odd things with the throttle while braking. I'm sure if
> > Dave had to drive in a realistic manner you'd***all over him. :)

> > Gerry

Carl Ribbegaard

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by Carl Ribbegaard » Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:38:22

http://www.racesimcentral.net/
4609130%40nnrp5.proxad.net&rnum=2

I've been told that brake+throttle is a valid technique.
This is also confirmed by every go-cart owner you can find (but it burns the
clutch).

/Carl


> cheat what? GPL is offered as is, hense its taken to the limit as is....I
> use throttle with braking as I need to keep up with those ahead....there
the
> ***y cheats <G> Im just a sheep following :)....




> > <SNIP>

> > And the loopholes? You cheat. ;)

Carl Ribbegaard

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by Carl Ribbegaard » Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:45:42

Interesting info, both the last 2 posts :-)

/Carl


> I must add :)

> I first raced a guy called Allan Scott, this was a total eye opener,
racing
> monza, id hear this car behind and it was scotty, revving the blox of it
> down the box using both feet....Almost scared you off the road ... At this
> point most were, but Allan unbknown to me was an ex GP bike racer....here
we
> have the perfect example of how during early 2000 everyone seemed to adopt
> allans style, as a real racer Allan taught everyone something, at first it
> was like listening to something so new, he was doing something most were
> sure of, it was a big talking point at the time. But as an ex racer, allan
> had used the slipperclutch technique in GPL and it worked perfectly, from
> that day on everyone started doing it at monza, then it grew...

> Maybe this technique isnt relevant to the 60;s GP car, but its entirely
> revelant and used as a style...in more than just bikes....

> Glad we had this technique debate I hadnt really made the connection
between
> Scotty and the reving technique....



> > basically GPL has an lazy autoclutch, when you brake in GPL you
downshift
> > one after the other in the braking zone, this means GPL's autoclutch is
> > disengaged for most of the braking zone just as it would be in RL, just
> > short bursts of connection between the next rev/clutch in and downshift.
> > This means that in GPL just as in RL the aim of the game is to rev the
> motor
> > as much as possible while the clutch is disengaged, and keep the revs
> where
> > they would be in the next gear down, in between the shifts in GPL I for
> one
> > let off the power and let the car brake, I only use the power widly
while
> > the autoclutch in disengaged.....

> > I were to use the power all the time, I rocket forward each time between
> > shifts when the clutch was reengaged before the next shift :)

> > This an entirely proper racing technique and exactly what your doing
heel
> > and toeing....we all have an autoclutch in GPL....and if you use a
clutch
> > for all but starts its pointless...and because the clutch is poinltess
so
> is
> > heel and toe in THIS game...as its faster to use both feet, if GPL had a
> > clutch and required its use id use it....

> > Another fact is alot of racers wont even use a clutch in a crash box,
this
> > again means the two feet technique like a go-kart is the better....

> > you might not say that after right foot braker out qualled schumacher
> today
> > again....mainly cause the ferrari is evilly good on the brakes with
> > tremendous rear traction....in 2000/2001 this wasnt the case as the
> ferrari
> > was a bit twitchy this suited the dual pedal schumacher more IMO as his
> > ability to use both at once made the rear more stable, this year rubens
> has
> > a car even his inferior technique can win the day over one lap.....



> > > I'd buy a racing techniques book and read it...

> > > There quite advanced styles and I cant be bothered writing an essay to
> > > explain in laymens terms....

> > > As i mention earlier, bike racing is a good comparision to the way
GPLs
> > > clutch works and the style used on a slipslipper clutch




> > > > <SNIP>

> > > > > Just as the techniques used in GPL by myself and others, its GPLs
> > > autoclutch
> > > > > thats makes GPL unrealistic in this respect, but the technique we
> use
> > is
> > > > > spot on..which a clutch you seem to forget on the left foot brake
> > issue
> > > that
> > > > > while were reving the motor to keep the downshifts clean, the
clutch
> > > would
> > > > > be in and the drive disconnected, this means that the brakes would
> be
> > > fine
> > > > > as we dont rev while the autoclutch is connected as you go
forward!!
> > > this is
> > > > > a such a common misconception on the alien braking techniques that
> ive
> > > never
> > > > > bothered to explain properly....

> > > > <SNIP>

> > > > So common misconceptions aren't worth explaining properly? And I see
> you
> > > > haven't bothered to explain properly this time either. Do please try
> > > > again.

Tony Rickar

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by Tony Rickar » Mon, 19 Aug 2002 20:59:51

Quite how you manage to claim such accuracy with your RPM matching with *that*
rev counter defies belief <G>

Do you book yourself out for transporting late brides?

David Powel

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by David Powel » Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:42:24

indeed....ive never understood people moaning about the way in which people
drive gpl....its a solid and faster technique than pointlessly trying to
drive the sim in a way which the software doesnt even benefit, or indeed
allow proper use of...


http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> 4609130%40nnrp5.proxad.net&rnum=2

> I've been told that brake+throttle is a valid technique.
> This is also confirmed by every go-cart owner you can find (but it burns
the
> clutch).

> /Carl



> > cheat what? GPL is offered as is, hense its taken to the limit as
is....I
> > use throttle with braking as I need to keep up with those ahead....there
> the
> > ***y cheats <G> Im just a sheep following :)....




> > > <SNIP>

> > > And the loopholes? You cheat. ;)

David Powel

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by David Powel » Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:44:44

LOL....on both accounts....

rev counter sucks I rely more on when the engine stops producing power its
had enough revs :)


Gerry Aitke

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by Gerry Aitke » Tue, 20 Aug 2002 00:16:55


> > http://home.clara.net/pamelapowell/churchbends2.AVI here a bit of the
> > aformentioned in my road car :)

> Quite how you manage to claim such accuracy with your RPM matching with *that*
> rev counter defies belief <G>

Not really, it can all be done through feel after a bit of practice.

Gerry

Gerry Aitke

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by Gerry Aitke » Tue, 20 Aug 2002 00:17:48


> indeed....ive never understood people moaning about the way in which people
> drive gpl....its a solid and faster technique than pointlessly trying to
> drive the sim in a way which the software doesnt even benefit, or indeed
> allow proper use of...

And that means what exactly? You know full well that GPL because 1000x
more engaging when you use a actlabs shifter along with heel & toe.

Paddles are for pooftas, Dave. ;)

Cheers

Gerry

David Powel

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by David Powel » Tue, 20 Aug 2002 00:24:33

Wouldnt more engaging for me, as I get as engaged as possible anyway...

If you give me a 150 to get a shifter for my hyperstim i'll use it hows
that....



> > indeed....ive never understood people moaning about the way in which
people
> > drive gpl....its a solid and faster technique than pointlessly trying to
> > drive the sim in a way which the software doesnt even benefit, or indeed
> > allow proper use of...

> And that means what exactly? You know full well that GPL because 1000x
> more engaging when you use a actlabs shifter along with heel & toe.

> Paddles are for pooftas, Dave. ;)

> Cheers

> Gerry

Gerry Aitke

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by Gerry Aitke » Tue, 20 Aug 2002 00:55:51


> Wouldnt more engaging for me, as I get as engaged as possible anyway...

> If you give me a 150 to get a shifter for my hyperstim i'll use it hows
> that....

I'll think about it. Meanwhile I'll just look down my nose at your lame,
unrealistic technique. Safe in the knowledge that I use the only true
technique, sadly I shall just have to reflect on how much better gpl
would be if everyone used it too.

For it is *I* who should rule and not you!

MAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHMAHAHAHAAHAHAHMAHAHAHAHAMHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHMAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

David Powel

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by David Powel » Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:30:49

dellusion is easily treatable ....:-O)

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For it is *I* who should rule and not you!

MAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHMAHAHAHAAHAHAHMAHAHAHAHAMHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHMAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!
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