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If it were that easy, wouldn't all 3000 or so people who've submitted a GPLRank
be negative?

David, you have no IDEA of my desire, so please don't be presumptuous.  I've
been chasing this for maybe 2 years, and I've played the game for maybe 3.
When GPLRank first came out, I believe I was at about +137 or so.

Don't assume that it's a lack of wanting it.  And obviously there's plenty of
room for improvement.  The simple fact that there are some guys who are -50 and
faster proves that it can be done.  I haven't doubted that for a second.

I can't comment on that - it probably took me over a year to break 1:30 at
Monza.

I've studied replays.  I've downloaded a TON.  Braking 30 meters later results
in a crash.  You're right - that doesn't take any effort at all...<g>  I simply
cannot brake as late, carry as much speed, or get back on the gas as soon as
the fast guys.  I don't know why, either.  If I did, we wouldn't be having this
discussion right now.
I have some laps posted at this site:
http://www.racesimcentral.net/~epickett/eplaps.html
They're not up-to-date, but they're not far off.  I think I've gone *maybe* a
second faster at most tracks, and I've run a 8:30 at the Ring.  See for
yourself.

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You could always drive the way Dave and his buddies do. They use strange
setups and do odd things with the throttle while braking. I'm sure if
Dave had to drive in a realistic manner you'd***all over him. :)

Gerry

having balls.

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I happen to know of an 11 year old who liked Castle Combe. I told his dad about
GPL and that Castle Combe was available and he got it purely for Castle Combe
(where his dad had raced in saloons & F3). Without any previous gpl experience
he was close to WR times. Way faster than his dad who had raced there in RL.

I put it down to the fact that he had only experienced visual & sound aids to
"driving". He didn't miss the lack of the physical side as he had never
experienced it.

My view is the quick computer simmers are better at adapting to the limited
inputs provided than others.

My son can thrash me at Fifa2002 - relating keystrokes to physical movements of
players is just too foreign for me. Ok we may have steering wheels and pedals in
both RL and sims, but it still follows the same analogy.

This isn't a put down. Sim racing is my hobby and there are simply people much
better than it than I am. Just as if I took up golf for the rest of my life I
doubt I would reach the highest level.

These things can't be taught or learnt from watching others beyond a level of
competency. Examples of getting from 2 mins to 1:30 at Monza are not surprising.
Getting to a 1:26 is a whole different matter that can't be achieved by practice
alone IMHO, it needs the ability.

Don't see why a competitive nature would make you quicker on the track alone
with no fear of injury (the need for bottle) and whilst not being watched. Sure
it will when it comes to racing or limited qualifying but not for unlimited
practice. Yes it will make you more determined to practise longer and work
harder at learning techniques, but will not give the speed itself. In RL this is
different as competitive nature will determine the level of risk prepared to
take. This is absent in sim hotlapping IMO. I don't believe RL and sim lapping
can be compared in this way.

Many of my PBs have been in online qualifying sessions - suggesting a
competitive nature. However, these PBs are (sadly) way off the pace of the top
guys :-(

Agreed - when it comes to simracing the same psychological factors apply to RL
racing.

To be at the top of any sport - physical or not requires dedication and work,
but also ability. Some can put in all the time and effort and never achieve it,
it shouldn't be assumed they haven't tried as hard.

Tony

The World No.1 rank is -92.00

The amazing incredible major impossible hurdle for 'ordinary' drivers is
0.00...

So we can for arguments sake say that there is 92 seconds more in it over
the 11 tracks...

An average(just for ease) of 8.36 seconds.....

Now most people admit that 1.30 at Monza is easy enough...

So that is 4 secs off the WR....so we have 4 secs in reserve as we move onto
the next track.

On longer tracks we use up an extra second or two.....

So all told i dont think its that hard to be 0.00

Having read Eldred's times the problem is so obvious.....his times are
similar to mine at most tracks except two.

Rouen his time is horrendously bad compared to his driving elsewhere...2.02
is shocking.

Likewise 3.23 at Spa is poor....

I almost guarantee a little observation and coaching from David or even me
would make Eldred negative just by getting him to crack those two
tracks.....

1.58.5 at Rouen and 3.18.5 at Spa would do the trick.

Ask David if he will coach you for this purpose Eldred :)

Andy

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ive completed 16 our of the 19 or so GP's in entered, finished far more
league races without an off track than ive not finished in.....

im a racer idoit!

Hot-lapper...

"...you can go negative by just driving around in 5th gear..."

Talk about spewing rubbish, that's the biggest crock of shit I've ever
seen (next to the ***we see out of Wilshe)...

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As its more difficult therefor those with the best natural ablilty will
further distend the gaps between them and the normal guys IMHO.

I am fully able to do all those, along with clutchless changes up and down
the box by rev matching in any car I drive in RL...therefor i doubt doing
that in a sim with constant factoring will be any effort at all....

http://www.racesimcentral.net/
aformentioned in my road car :)

*Muppet*

Afterall idoit, this thread was talking about GPLrank and going negative
yes?

This indicates people upload ranks to get a speed rating which is the
fastest laps usually done in qualification or offline testing, yes offline
testing, all my PB's are done offline, and done offline for many
reasons......as with everyone else.

You seem to forget the fact I can then go online turn in a lap as fast or
slighty slower, then adjust my driving and lap within 0.5 of that qual lap
for 2hrs+ at max speed with very few errors.....

I suggest my friend, before you start on the slippery slope to a hotlapper
versus racer debate you download some MOG1, MOG2, SRMSC elites 1,2,3,4,5
GPLWS elite 3,4,5 replays, from any race, and see that the cream of
hotlappers ie top 0.5% on GPLRank (yes thing in debate here) are also the
cream of racers...

Im fact in amazed after such debate there still the hotlapper vs racer thing
going on the people that do both are same....just hotlapping is one side and
racing is the other, i can only name 2-3drivers our of my say top30 list
that cant race for toffee.....

Hotlapper offline, Racer online...horses for courses.....

When im offline im practicing to get faster....

When im online im using that knowledge to allow me to drive faster, but
faster and more safely, faster offline = faster online (0.5allowed off PB
for race safety margin and tyre temps) so say i hotlap zandy at 22.58 in
lotus i can safety race at 0.5slower (more allowing for fuel consumption and
weight but on the same load 0.5slower) so i can race lap at 23.08. I then
offline practicing (hotlapping) get a 22.00, i have learn to extract another
0.5, this is then stored in knowledge of exactly how i did it by studying
replay analyser. I can then safely drive 0.5 faster in the next race so my
race laps would be 22.50...This is how it works....

take my race laps and im a -70+ take my online qual laps ill be a  -80ish

Even when racing im driving the car as hard as its able to go, with me
driving it everylap to my limit of concentration, but at the same time
giving away 0.5 from my very limit in order to make sure gearchanges are
done correctly and gently and making sure im getting good consistant tyre
temps and not pushing them beyond the 230F 280R limit of drop off.....and
most importantly making sure I dont spin, crash or pop a motor....

so whats your point?

I'm a 16 in GPLrank from simply racing.  What does that mean?

It least you don't deny you drive gpl in a unrealistic manner. If we all
used an actlabs shifter and had to heel & toe, whether you'd be any good
when compared to others is a matter of debate, not of fact as you seem
to think it is.

BTW, how fast are you going (top speed) in that RL clip?

gerry

I'm not defending myself here, im defending everyone as if you call me a
hotlapper, your calling those around me one, those ahead and behind me,
those I know to be the worlds finest sim racers present and past.....

and be honest, slow nonces with no idea what the *** there on about who
start this age old debate of f***ing b***shit***me off SO MUCH!....

Its like a slow person whos prolly never watched a full GP replay from F1
MOG champ which has the Top20 guys racing, yes the top 20 hotlappers at
rank.....

Suddenly this a***hole thinks everyone at the top of the rank list is purely
a hotlapper.....

F*** OFF!

sorry i cant help but get so mad over one, its like a decreditation of
everything that the top league admins, top drivers top server hosts have
ever done for the game....in a racing respect .... then for some *** to
say were all hotlappers....and some arsehole plodding around the track like
a ***ing nonce 6secs of the pace is a racer!!

again

F*** OFF!

call greger a hotlapper, stewart, enstrom, weber, wilke, miskilley etc no Id
say there infinately more talented than your slow arse in every possible
respect, hotlap, qual, race, mindset, natural ablilty everything and some
one as f****ing slow as you too just term those above them as hotlappers is
just profanity...

If there were 20 places in the world LAN RACING contest and it was invite
only, I wonder which names and from what end of the scale would be picked
for this RACING event....

The 20best races you fool, the 20 at the top of the list, as there the 20
active and most talented *drivers* be that in a race or in the qually
session. This is where there experience counts you see, as they know the
difference between these and the merits of each, and eachs merits towards
each other....