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by **Tony Rickar** » Mon, 19 Aug 2002 02:27:27

> > I do get concerned though when non driving kids pick it up and do very well.
> > Suddenly it feels more like a computer game when this happens!

> This is to be expected, just like youngsters are faster at learning a
> foreign language or musical instrument.

Accepted, but it does rather rip apart some other theories in this thread of
applying RL techniques built up on the track or road. Would we expect a 10 year
old to read up on racing driving techniques or just dive in like Gran Turismo?

Thats when are beloved realistic sim suddenly feels like a computer game to me
at least.

Tony

by **Jan Verschuere** » Mon, 19 Aug 2002 02:32:53

Don't sweat it Eldred (congrats on the Spa time, BTW... how's Stavelot
nowadays? <g>), it's actually not *that* easy to go sub two minutes at
Rouen. There's a lot of counter-intuitive stuff going on there (first corner
is as example), I'll talk your through it when my case/driving load lets up.

Jan.
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by **jason moy** » Mon, 19 Aug 2002 03:46:27

On Sat, 17 Aug 2002 17:47:24 -0000, "Joachim Trensz"

>And thanks for thinking I could beat Greger on the road, Jason :-)

I wasn't kidding!

A 2-man race, 100%, full realism, random weather...from what I've seen
of your driving, I'd put my best on you.

BTW, is there a guy named Ed in your GPL league? I just started a new
job and he saw my Gurney wallpaper and came over to show me a printout
of a Nurburgring race he won and then specifically mentioned you as
the league admin.

Jason

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by **jason moy** » Mon, 19 Aug 2002 04:00:45

On Sat, 17 Aug 2002 15:23:20 +0100, "David Powell"

>You forget though that these guys have adapted and learned to drive GPL to
>its MAX they do the same in all sims, and when that requires realism they
>will be same....

No question. I'm not saying that the aliens aren't talented, I'm just
noting that in order to achieve superhuman times in GPL you need to
employ driving techniques that aren't suitable to real cars.

If something like Racing Legends employs real wear and tear as the
Westies have indicated, I'm sure the aliens will still be at the top
of the lap time boards. In a full-length 2-hour race, I think you'd
find the playing field a bit more even between the aliens and the guys
who are fast without abusing their machinery. Obviously, we slowbies
will be fighting mid-pack either way.

Hey now, I've run exactly one season in one league in my entire life
and I had the Championship practically clinched halfway through...I'm
not the slowest guy out there. =p

Unfortunately, while I don't fear anyone in a fixed setup oval race, I
have issues finding those extra tenths of a second on roadies, and my
setup skills are nonexistent in the Papy and ISI titles. Hell, I was
just working on my Melbourne setup and ran 10 laps with the dampers at
the highest settings and 10 laps with them at the lowest settings to
see what sort of changes I'd notice in the suspension telemetry, and
I'll be damned if I could find a difference in either the telemetry or
in the way the car felt.

Jason

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by **adsale** » Mon, 19 Aug 2002 05:58:40

> On Sat, 17 Aug 2002 17:47:24 -0000, "Joachim Trensz"

> >And thanks for thinking I could beat Greger on the road, Jason :-)

> I wasn't kidding!

> A 2-man race, 100%, full realism, random weather...from what I've seen
> of your driving, I'd put my best on you.

> BTW, is there a guy named Ed in your GPL league? I just started a new
> job and he saw my Gurney wallpaper and came over to show me a printout
> of a Nurburgring race he won and then specifically mentioned you as
> the league admin.

Pffft, Achim can't even beat me, how on earth would catch Greger ?

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

by **adsale** » Mon, 19 Aug 2002 06:01:58

> > Its a matter of fact...."I" know it to be so....f

> <SNIP>

> Yeah, like I know it to be so that you are only fast because you grind
> out lap after lap for hour after hour, days, months, years... totally
> unrealistic practice regime, imo. The huge speed difference between you
> elite guys in gpl and the ordinary ones, like me, just wouldn't exit in
> real life, imo. Being ultra fast in GPL is more about having a high
> boredom threshold than anything else, imo.

> There's a huge difference between a talented driver in real life and
> some bloke who plays a game in his bedroom for hours and hours, imo.

> Not that I care how you waste your life, or that you feel you need to
> crow about being fast at gpl to give your life meaning.

> The real tragedy is the loopholes in GPL that you lot exploit. I
> wouldn't call it cheating, just cheating yourself.

Ouch

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

by **Joachim Trens** » Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:34:35

We had two Eds in the league, Ed Eppel and Ed Szuba, both good men.
Unfortunately we haven't been in contact too much the last couple of months.

If he said I'm the admin that must have been a while ago, though, as I've
retired as the admin early this year after about 4 years on the job?

Achim

> On Sat, 17 Aug 2002 17:47:24 -0000, "Joachim Trensz"

> >And thanks for thinking I could beat Greger on the road, Jason :-)

> I wasn't kidding!

> A 2-man race, 100%, full realism, random weather...from what I've seen
> of your driving, I'd put my best on you.

> BTW, is there a guy named Ed in your GPL league? I just started a new
> job and he saw my Gurney wallpaper and came over to show me a printout
> of a Nurburgring race he won and then specifically mentioned you as
> the league admin.

> Jason

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by **Joachim Trens** » Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:36:59

Of course I can't beat you - you're either not in the race or cause so many
yellows that I get so bored that I leave halfway through the race ;-)

Achim

> > On Sat, 17 Aug 2002 17:47:24 -0000, "Joachim Trensz"

> > >And thanks for thinking I could beat Greger on the road, Jason :-)

> > I wasn't kidding!

> > A 2-man race, 100%, full realism, random weather...from what I've seen
> > of your driving, I'd put my best on you.

> > BTW, is there a guy named Ed in your GPL league? I just started a new
> > job and he saw my Gurney wallpaper and came over to show me a printout
> > of a Nurburgring race he won and then specifically mentioned you as
> > the league admin.

> Pffft, Achim can't even beat me, how on earth would catch Greger ?

> Beers and cheers
> (uncle) Goy

> http://www.theuspits.com

> "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
> --Groucho Marx--

by **Gerry Aitke** » Mon, 19 Aug 2002 08:13:03

> > > I do get concerned though when non driving kids pick it up and do very well.
> > > Suddenly it feels more like a computer game when this happens!

> > This is to be expected, just like youngsters are faster at learning a
> > foreign language or musical instrument.

> Accepted, but it does rather rip apart some other theories in this thread of
> applying RL techniques built up on the track or road. Would we expect a 10 year
> old to read up on racing driving techniques or just dive in like Gran Turismo?

> Thats when are beloved realistic sim suddenly feels like a computer game to me
> at least.

Kids find the loopholes, that's true. If they had to use an actlabs
shifter along with heel and toe then they'd be ***ed.

by **adsale** » Mon, 19 Aug 2002 08:15:34

> Of course I can't beat you - you're either not in the race or cause so many
> yellows that I get so bored that I leave halfway through the race ;-)

Touch :-)

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

by **Joachim Trens** » Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:42:48

;-)

Achim

...

by **Carl Ribbegaard** » Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:09:40

Do you feel frustrated by Kimi Raikkonens speed as well?
Shure he's been driving a car for a while, but he hasn't raced "long
enough", eh? ;-)

/Carl

> > I just talked frankly....sorry if thats a problem for you....

> I wasn't the one saying GRRR!! :-)

> > As for reallife having met a number of the top20 guys....

> > Gabor Weber is certainly proving that the Top GPLers can also drive in
RL...

> I would expect enthusiasts of sim racing to be enthusiasts of RL racing
too. I
> would also expect there to be examples of drivers good at both. Certainly
GPL
> "feels" the closest to RL and there should be some degree of benefit
between the
> two in terms of learning.

> I do get concerned though when non driving kids pick it up and do very
well.
> Suddenly it feels more like a computer game when this happens!

> Tony

by **Jan Verschuere** » Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:14:44

I don't know... what's his GPLRank?

Jan. ;-))
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by **jason moy** » Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:26:08

Szuba, that's it!

So what's the scoop, is he a hotshoe or can I hustle him GPL style? =)

Jason

On Sun, 18 Aug 2002 00:34:35 -0000, "Joachim Trensz"

>We had two Eds in the league, Ed Eppel and Ed Szuba, both good men.
>Unfortunately we haven't been in contact too much the last couple of months.

>If he said I'm the admin that must have been a while ago, though, as I've
>retired as the admin early this year after about 4 years on the job?

>Achim

>> On Sat, 17 Aug 2002 17:47:24 -0000, "Joachim Trensz"

>> >And thanks for thinking I could beat Greger on the road, Jason :-)

>> I wasn't kidding!

>> A 2-man race, 100%, full realism, random weather...from what I've seen
>> of your driving, I'd put my best on you.

>> BTW, is there a guy named Ed in your GPL league? I just started a new
>> job and he saw my Gurney wallpaper and came over to show me a printout
>> of a Nurburgring race he won and then specifically mentioned you as
>> the league admin.

>> Jason

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